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07/08/2008 12:21:13 PM · #1051 |
| Well Actually I agree with what you said, except that it has not been found to be a trait. That just means we have not found it. I do beleive given the right environment certain behaviors grow into lifestyles. Whether or not there is a trait is still left to be proven.. WHat I did love about gay guys was that in college you never had to worry about them hitting on your girlfriend. They could take her shopping help her with her wardrobe and makeup just in time to send her over to me to get the lovin from her... What I dont like is feminist Lezbians! Thats just competition! |
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07/08/2008 12:22:17 PM · #1052 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
A trait is a distinct phenotypic character of an organism that may be inherited, environmentally determined or somewhere in between. So far as I have researched they have not found gene that is the gay gene... |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
When they DO find it, I'd like to get half of one.
My wife would still be enticing, but I'd dress better, go to the gym, and not dance like a nerdy white guy! (that isn't mean, its the TRUTH!) |
Oh, I've been just waiting for this to come up.
So.....if I can dance, have fashion sense, would rather watch a Meryl Streep movie than a NASCAR race, and can arrange flowers.....that means I'm GAY!?!?!?!?!?
Wow, is my wife ever going to be surprised!
Get real!
Oh.....and yes, I am much more of a domestic goddess than my wife, and My wife and daugter sometimes hate to go to the movies with me because I'm emotional.
I do *SO* love stereotypes!
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07/08/2008 12:24:48 PM · #1053 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by coronamv:
A trait is a distinct phenotypic character of an organism that may be inherited, environmentally determined or somewhere in between. So far as I have researched they have not found gene that is the gay gene... |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
When they DO find it, I'd like to get half of one.
My wife would still be enticing, but I'd dress better, go to the gym, and not dance like a nerdy white guy! (that isn't mean, its the TRUTH!) |
Oh, I've been just waiting for this to come up.
So.....if I can dance, have fashion sense, would rather watch a Meryl Streep movie than a NASCAR race, and can arrange flowers.....that means I'm GAY!?!?!?!?!?
Wow, is my wife ever going to be surprised!
Get real!
Oh.....and yes, I am much more of a domestic goddess than my wife, and My wife and daugter sometimes hate to go to the movies with me because I'm emotional.
I do *SO* love stereotypes! |
Jeb, I so hope to meet you someday!!! |
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07/08/2008 12:25:37 PM · #1054 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
WHat I did love about gay guys was that in college you never had to worry about them hitting on your girlfriend. They could take her shopping help her with her wardrobe and makeup just in time to send her over to me to get the lovin from her... |
Yeah.....I always thought that was a hoot.
Especially when a woman would hang out with someone who was interested in them as a person instead of a piece of meat........and it wasn't another woman.
Ever wonder why the phrase "All the good ones are either married or gay." is so prevalent.
But this whole line of chat is a whole 'nother subject.
Here's a thought for you.......women probably LIKE gay men more because they treat them like people.
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07/08/2008 12:33:19 PM · #1055 |
Originally posted by pjangel:
Jeb, I so hope to meet you someday!!! |
Be careful what you wish for!!.......8>)
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07/08/2008 12:34:08 PM · #1056 |
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07/08/2008 12:51:35 PM · #1057 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
King James version: The Holy Spirit guided me to that version |
I'm sure many devotees of the New International version (or any other) would say that God led them to that one, too... or more accurately, that they believe He did. What we need is a link on Amazon to the "God recommends" section, if only to challenge Oprah's power.
Nice diss on all women, btw. You should put that on a t-shirt to ward off potential girlfriends.
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I would say that same sex attraction may very well be an inherent trait but the act of homosexual sex is a behavior that is based on that attraction. One does not have to act. One chooses to act. |
Homosexuality is the attraction itself. It's a matter of preference, and the rest is fairly irrelevant. Some people prefer chocolate and some can't stand it- is that really a choice? So far as I have researched, they haven't found a gene for the abhorrent revulsion of chocolate, but someday we may finally cure such people of their inexplicable disdain for the obviously natural flavor. |
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07/08/2008 12:58:02 PM · #1058 |
dponlyme, it seems to me that you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else in this thread that homosexuality is wrong. I think you know it's right and that you're struggling to understand why you agree with us but you keep going back to your teachings and scriptures trying to find something that can finally prove us all wrong. You know you won't but you keep at it like a good missionary trying to convert a tribe of pygmies into believing that your god will kick their god's butt. You hide behind your god and his decisions to not allow homosexuality without giving any real reasons why, and you try to convince us (you) that he was right. You repeat over and over that he doesn't allow it in his world but fail to tell us why.
So I ask; why doesn't your god allow homosexuality in his world? He has never stated why in the book about his laws and regulations that you call the bible. Where is the explanation about this? Don't quote a passage about sleeping with a man and such, give me the official explanation from the man/thing you call a god? Please don't tell me it's an abomination as well. I want a specific explanation from the man himself or tell me what led you to believe what you do, concerning homosexuality only?
The answer to my questions are maybe in this thread that I have not read entirely so please excuse me if I'm repeating what has already been discussed. |
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07/08/2008 01:15:43 PM · #1059 |
PS I mean you in a general way.... Not As in Jeb is gay... Just wanted to clariy.
No but you might lend others who are prejudise to believe you are. Only you know if your a homosexual. As for the statement"All the good ones are either married or gay" that is a flawed statement. Think about it if your married or gay it is wrong for someone to be with them. That means something is wrong. Yeah every aspect of a person who is married or gay could be wonderful but to have a relationship with them would be consided bad. That is what I get from that statement. And please Lets not group all men or women into a distiction that they are all bad since they are not married or gay.
Scalvert: A taste can be aquired..
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by coronamv:
A trait is a distinct phenotypic character of an organism that may be inherited, environmentally determined or somewhere in between. So far as I have researched they have not found gene that is the gay gene... |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
When they DO find it, I'd like to get half of one.
My wife would still be enticing, but I'd dress better, go to the gym, and not dance like a nerdy white guy! (that isn't mean, its the TRUTH!) |
Oh, I've been just waiting for this to come up.
So.....if I can dance, have fashion sense, would rather watch a Meryl Streep movie than a NASCAR race, and can arrange flowers.....that means I'm GAY!?!?!?!?!?
Wow, is my wife ever going to be surprised!
Get real!
Oh.....and yes, I am much more of a domestic goddess than my wife, and My wife and daugter sometimes hate to go to the movies with me because I'm emotional.
I do *SO* love stereotypes! |
Message edited by author 2008-07-08 13:16:45. |
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07/08/2008 01:34:02 PM · #1060 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
A taste can be aquired.. |
Yep, but if you have an affinity for anchovy ice cream, nobody can force you to like vanilla just because they believe it's "normal" and view your choice with disgust.
Message edited by author 2008-07-08 13:38:35. |
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07/08/2008 01:59:47 PM · #1061 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by coronamv:
A trait is a distinct phenotypic character of an organism that may be inherited, environmentally determined or somewhere in between. So far as I have researched they have not found gene that is the gay gene... |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
When they DO find it, I'd like to get half of one.
My wife would still be enticing, but I'd dress better, go to the gym, and not dance like a nerdy white guy! (that isn't mean, its the TRUTH!) |
Oh, I've been just waiting for this to come up.
So.....if I can dance, have fashion sense, would rather watch a Meryl Streep movie than a NASCAR race, and can arrange flowers.....that means I'm GAY!?!?!?!?!?
Wow, is my wife ever going to be surprised!
Get real!
Oh.....and yes, I am much more of a domestic goddess than my wife, and My wife and daugter sometimes hate to go to the movies with me because I'm emotional.
I do *SO* love stereotypes! |
::sigh::
Dang Jeb, I think DP has you wound a little TOO tight today. I had hoped you'd realized better of me, tbh. Please learn to recognize a joke.
- First, I know way more about the flowers in our yard than most of our neighborhood, and have been waiting for WEEKS to enjoy the scent of our stargazer lilies (that FINALLY bloomed yesterday!).
- Second, I have THREE daughters, and know more about their haircare than my wife does (which I hide my face in while crying at the theater).
- Third, while I can't dance worth a toot, I did purchase (not one but) TWO Michael Buble cd's the other day. Apparently, the only reason I can be considered remotely hetero is because Nascar was playing on the TV's in Walmart while I bought the cd's.
- Yes, I admit to having no use for televised sports.
Most of all, I cannot believe that I typed all of this just to sound more metro than you!!! <>
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07/08/2008 02:00:56 PM · #1062 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
As for the statement"All the good ones are either married or gay" that is a flawed statement. Think about it if your married or gay it is wrong for someone to be with them. That means something is wrong. Yeah every aspect of a person who is married or gay could be wonderful but to have a relationship with them would be consided bad. That is what I get from that statement. And please Lets not group all men or women into a distiction that they are all bad since they are not married or gay. |
I take it you've never been around women much in a social sense.
That euphemism is quite common amongst single women, usually spoken in a tone of disdain about the latest failed prospect of a mate who turned out to be another self-centered, clueless, insensitive, Neanderthal.
It's not a reference to their interest in someone married or gay, but a comment on the sad state of choices out there for a good woman.
As to being flawed.......you'd really have to ask any hetero woman what she thinks.
I don't think you'd much like the answer.......most would either agree, or see it for the wry humor with an elemnet of truth that it is.
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07/08/2008 02:10:32 PM · #1063 |
Originally posted by rossbilly:
::sigh::
Dang Jeb, I think DP has you wound a little TOO tight today. I had hoped you'd realized better of me, tbh. Please learn to recognize a joke. |
GOTCHA!!!!.....8>)
Originally posted by rossbilly:
- First, I know way more about the flowers in our yard than most of our neighborhood, and have been waiting for WEEKS to enjoy the scent of our stargazer lilies (that FINALLY bloomed yesterday!). |
They smell BAD!!!!
At least the lilies around here do.....they're beautiful, but stinky!!! LOL!!!
Originally posted by rossbilly:
- Second, I have THREE daughters, and know more about their haircare than my wife does (which I hide my face in while crying at the theater).
- Third, while I can't dance worth a toot, I did purchase (not one but) TWO Michael Buble cd's the other day. Apparently, the only reason I can be considered remotely hetero is because Nascar was playing on the TV's in Walmart while I bought the cd's.
- Yes, I admit to having no use for televised sports.
Most of all, I cannot believe that I typed all of this just to sound more metro than you!!! <> |
Exactly my point.......stereotyping is dangerous and discriminatory.
That you should have to validate those characteristics is a shame.
I feel that the true measure of a well-adjusted person is one who is in touch with their feelings, no matter what they may be......and there should be nobody telling them that they're wrong.
Now some of them may be wrong to act on......like the feeling that I really should have a Ferrari, and since I don't have the money......8>)
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07/08/2008 02:25:12 PM · #1064 |
Well... some stereotypes are actually pretty close to being accurate. Show me a straight guy with a lisp, a sashay, impeccable hair, and a passion for broadway musicals, and I'll show you closeted gay man. It's wrong to be supremely offended when people poke fun at gay stereotypes, because most of the people making the jabs are themselves gay.
I was a waiter for many years. You'll never find more gay men than on the wait staff at any restaurant in a large metropolitan centre. One of my closest friends at my work was the gayest man you've ever met. Extremely gay. Steeped in gayness. More feminine than many straight women.
Being the kind of person I am, I never let up on him. I jabbed him all the time about his overt gayability. He didn't help matters by explaining a cranky attitude with "being on the rag" for example. This man was gay.
He was the nicest guy you've ever met, supremely empathetic, one of the kinds of people who'd give you his last nickel if you needed it.
He understood the ribbing, and dished out even worse to the other guys on staff. It's simply part of the milieux. You take a lifetime of shit you've received from bigots who'd sooner beat you into a messy pulp than recognize your humanity, and you turn it on its head and joke about it. It's the way of things, and there's no reason others can't participate. In my view, there's no meanness in recognizing the stereotype and gently nudging about it, especially when it's self-deprecating, like rossbilly. It's perfectly fine.
Message edited by author 2008-07-08 14:26:40. |
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07/08/2008 02:32:48 PM · #1065 |
Louis,
You are so right, most of the gay community does joke about themselves and each other in a fun and friendly way and none of us mind if it's not mean spirited or rude. |
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07/08/2008 02:35:11 PM · #1066 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Well... some stereotypes are actually pretty close to being accurate. Show me a straight guy with a lisp, a sashay, impeccable hair, and a passion for broadway musicals, and I'll show you closeted gay man. It's wrong to be supremely offended when people poke fun at gay stereotypes, because most of the people making the jabs are themselves gay.
I was a waiter for many years. You'll never find more gay men than on the wait staff at any restaurant in a large metropolitan centre. One of my closest friends at my work was the gayest man you've ever met. Extremely gay. Steeped in gayness. More feminine than many straight women.
Being the kind of person I am, I never let up on him. I jabbed him all the time about his overt gayability. He didn't help matters by explaining a cranky attitude with "being on the rag" for example. This man was gay.
He was the nicest guy you've ever met, supremely empathetic, one of the kinds of people who'd give you his last nickel if you needed it.
He understood the ribbing, and dished out even worse to the other guys on staff. It's simply part of the milieux. You take a lifetime of shit you've received from bigots who'd sooner beat you into a messy pulp than recognize your humanity, and you turn it on its head and joke about it. It's the way of things, and there's no reason others can't participate. In my view, there's no meanness in recognizing the stereotype and gently nudging about it, especially when it's self-deprecating, like rossbilly. It's perfectly fine. |
He would be what is referred to as a "Bitch Queen".
Definitely not the typical gay man, but an extreme variation.
Just like not all straight men are insensitve chauvinist pigs......but there are enough to keep the stereotype alive and well......8>)
I have generally found bitch queens to be more lonely and insecure than most people and the sardonic, biting wit is usually a defense mechanism.
I'm not saying that you can't categorize and stereotype, it's just that too often it's done without good basis.
If one bitch queen was your only exposure to the gay community, then any assumptions you'd make about gays would be erroneous.
By the same token, if I was the only male you ever met, you'd think all men were moody, Type-A, semi-psychotic OCD, ADD, British car freak, photographers, right?....8>)
Message edited by author 2008-07-08 14:42:40.
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07/08/2008 02:37:27 PM · #1067 |
Originally posted by Louis:
One of my closest friends at my work was the gayest man you've ever met. Extremely gay. Steeped in gayness. More feminine than many straight women. |
That made me laugh out loud! :-) And while on the subject of stereotypes, I've known several male hairdressers who were not gay, but behaved as though they were while at work. Why? More customers. Women (remember, these are generalizations here) seem more comfortable with a gay hairdresser, and even straight men would rather have a nicely dressed, nicely coifed, meticulous gay-ish seeming man cut their hair than a tank top wearing, tobacco chewing, stereotypical beer drinking man. Don't know why that is, exactly. Of course, lots of men also get their hair cut by old bald guys. Never have figured why you'd want a guy with no hair to cut yours... |
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07/08/2008 02:53:30 PM · #1068 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
If one bitch queen was your only exposure to the gay community, then any assumptions you'd make about gays would be erroneous. |
Erm... wow, it can be safely said that you don't know me at all. |
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07/08/2008 02:54:54 PM · #1069 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
If one bitch queen was your only exposure to the gay community, then any assumptions you'd make about gays would be erroneous. |
Erm... wow, it can be safely said that you don't know me at all. |
LMAO! :-D |
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07/08/2008 03:01:54 PM · #1070 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
If one bitch queen was your only exposure to the gay community, then any assumptions you'd make about gays would be erroneous. |
Erm... wow, it can be safely said that you don't know me at all. |
I snorted when reading Jeb's post above. Then blew red vault drink out of my nose when reading Louis' reply here!
(Was there a memo about today being comedy day?) |
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07/08/2008 03:03:58 PM · #1071 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
If one bitch queen was your only exposure to the gay community, then any assumptions you'd make about gays would be erroneous. |
Originally posted by Louis:
Erm... wow, it can be safely said that you don't know me at all. |
Prolly not.......I did say IF.....8>)
Originally posted by rossbilly:
I snorted when reading Jeb's post above. Then blew red vault drink out of my nose when reading Louis' reply here!
(Was there a memo about today being comedy day?) |
Uh, YES!!!!.....8>)
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07/08/2008 03:11:19 PM · #1072 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
...even straight men would rather have a ...gay-ish seeming man cut their hair...[or] old bald guys. |
Yeah... give me a very gay man or a very Italian man to cut my hair, and not only will I likely get a superior haircut, I will likely have offended two groups of people with blanket stereotypes. :-P
At a café I worked at in the eighties, there was a salon next door with more Extremely Gay Men working there. I lived with one of them for many years, and thus received countless haircuts, highlights, and what have you for free, for years. Those were the days. Maybe I'll post some pictures of when I was a twenty-something bad boy, complete with blond highlighted hair down the middle of my back and skin tight jeans. Probably not, for your sake as well as mine. :-P
I have never met more reasonable, friendly, emotionally connected, bitchy, gregarious, annoyingly loud, stereotypifying, warm and welcoming, and just plain weird people than the countless gay men and women I've known in my life. Let 'em marry. Aside from the unhealthy preoccupation with clothes and the direct eye contact, they're as usual as anyone else, and as deserving of social recognition and support as anyone else. |
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07/08/2008 03:16:46 PM · #1073 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Those were the days. Maybe I'll post some pictures of when I was a twenty-something bad boy, complete with blond highlighted hair down the middle of my back and skin tight jeans. Probably not, for your sake as well as mine. :-P |
Oh, pretty, pretty please??? Please??? I so wanna see that. :-) |
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07/08/2008 03:19:00 PM · #1074 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Those were the days. Maybe I'll post some pictures of when I was a twenty-something bad boy, complete with blond highlighted hair down the middle of my back and skin tight jeans. Probably not, for your sake as well as mine. :-P |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Oh, pretty, pretty please??? Please??? I so wanna see that. :-) |
I dare ya!.....8>)
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07/08/2008 03:40:00 PM · #1075 |
| Next week on "Broke Back Camera Forums" Man I need some popcorn.... |
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