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07/07/2008 08:47:52 PM · #1 |
I was going to post this HERE but it just turned into a giant rant. So take what you will, leave what you don̢۪t, and reply if feel the need to. Thanks Scott.
Discussions like this used to drive me nuts. Now I find them comical and informative.
The things that DPC has taught me the most.
1. Entering challenges does not always show ones true photographic potential. I have come to recognize it as: How does a photo please the masses or the effect of a photo on someone̢۪s personal tastes?
2. Photography and Editing are so SUBJECTIVE (meaning to ones personal styles) that it is impossible to please everyone (although some do this VERY WELL and if they are being true to their personal style, I fully admire their abilities.) But, if I can find one or two people that REALLY like my photo I have personally succeeded.
3. And simply how technically sound is my image. I get a good feel for this by the comments received and just as important the comments I do not receive.
After a long 4 year break from participating with DPC (or any other photo site, partly because of everyone̢۪s so varying difference of opinion) I have returned! With improved skill, creativity, style, perspective, and a new understanding of what subjective means for me. I no longer wish to please the masses and enter a photo only for myself and to help better my craft. I will and do appreciate (find helpful) any comment made on any photo I submit. I also comment on any photo that inspires me to do better. Or photos that I feel could use a little POSITIVE encouragement. I am here to learn and believe that everyone else is too. Even if it presented in controversy, anger, confusions, or frustration. As long as we each get what we need out of each experience we all will improve and move forward.
My 80/20 rule (and this can be applied to ANYTHING) and how I feel it applies to me better understanding and contributing to this site. EXAMPLES
80% of the users submit to 20% of the challenges - 20% of the users submit to 80% of the challenges
80% of the voters will like 20% of my photos – 20% of the voters will like 80% of my photos
80% of the voters will make 20% of the comments – 20% of the voters will make 80% of the comments
How it apples to real life.
80% of the people drink 20% of the alcohol – 20% of the people drink 80% of the alcohol
80% of drivers cause 20% of accidents – 20% of drivers cause 80% of the accidents
How / what / or if anything you get out of this is totally up to you. I know it makes a big difference in my life by helping me understand what % I fall under and if that is the positive side to be on and what I can do to change the negative.
Thanks, Scott
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Message edited by author 2008-07-07 21:54:05. |
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07/07/2008 09:35:52 PM · #2 |
I am confused...most times when you see the 80/20 rule applied there is a difference that is applicable to both sides. In the case you just stated, all you did was apply 80 to one group and 20 to the exact opposite group. No comparison, no debate, no 'rule' so to speak other than straight math: 100-80=20. What are you basing the 80/20 on? In my line of work (statistics, productivity, process improvement, etc.) I hear the 80/20 rule all the time but there is an underlying argument and point to be made. I don't get your point other than you may not be entirely happy in one form or another. So what form is it? Generalizations are ok, but to speak percentages you need the data to support your numbers.
If you base your life on an arbitrary 80/20 rule you are not always going to find the results you want in the end. So what you can do to change the negative and further the positive will always be an arbitrary thing. What is the goal? What is the desired result? Is your perception so perfectly tuned that you can without a doubt apply an 80/20 rule? Or is there room for refinement?
Message edited by author 2008-07-07 22:12:39. |
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07/07/2008 09:53:09 PM · #3 |
| 50% of all statistics can support anything you want 90% of the time. |
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07/07/2008 10:08:05 PM · #4 |
The 80/20 Rule as I know it. Definition from Wikipedia.
The Pareto principle (also known as the 80-20 rule, Haddad's Theorem, the law of the vital few and the principle of factor sparsity) states that, for many events, 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. Business management thinker Joseph M. Juran suggested the principle and named it after Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto, who observed that 80% of income in Italy went to 20% of the population. It is a common rule of thumb in business; e.g., "80% of your sales comes from 20% of your clients."
It is worthy of note that some applications of the Pareto principle appeal to a pseudo-scientific "law of nature" to bolster non-quantifiable or non-verifiable assertions that are "painted with a broad brush".[citation needed] The fact that hedges such as the 90/10, 70/30, and 95/5 "rules" exist is sufficient evidence of the non-exactness of the Pareto principle. On the other hand, there is adequate evidence that "clumping" of factors does occur in most phenomena.[citation needed]
The Pareto principle is only tangentially related to Pareto efficiency, which was also introduced by the same economist, Vilfredo Pareto. Pareto developed both concepts in the context of the distribution of income and wealth among the population.
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07/07/2008 10:49:38 PM · #5 |
I think you're 80% right, 20% of the time.
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07/07/2008 10:57:31 PM · #6 |
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Message edited by author 2008-07-07 23:17:40. |
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07/07/2008 11:13:09 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by DarkRider:
Business management thinker Joseph M. Juran suggested the principle and named it after Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto, who observed that 80% of income in Italy went to 20% of the population. |
Unfortunately, in the US currently a shade over 20% of the income goes to 1% of the population. |
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07/07/2008 11:53:05 PM · #8 |
| Regardless of the argument over the 80/20 thing, I agree with you. :) |
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07/08/2008 05:59:49 AM · #9 |
| I had no idea that there even was a 80/20 rule. |
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07/08/2008 07:45:37 AM · #10 |
| 80% of baseball is 20% mental |
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07/08/2008 08:31:02 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
Regardless of the argument over the 80/20 thing, I agree with you. :) |
Do you agree 100%?
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07/08/2008 10:39:39 AM · #12 |
80% of the people think they are above average.
20% of the people actually are above average.
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. |
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07/08/2008 10:54:08 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I had no idea that there even was a 80/20 rule. |
That's because 80% of the time there isn't.
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