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07/05/2008 05:14:38 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Originally posted by togtog:
Speeding on an empty road does not cause harm nor threat, except to oneself, however is just as illegal as doing so on a busy street. |
I am glad you are all knowing on what is around the corner and I hope we don't meet on the road! |
Again you are assuming there is a curve, or a hill, or fog, or rain, or flocks of birds...
Near my home there is a mostly closed airforce base, the public road that goes along it goes for several miles and is perfectly straight. It is often empty in both directions... there aren't even any side streets. However, speeding here is still just as illegal as a busy winding road of hills, during a foggy rain while driving into flocks of birds. :)
I think I'm done on this point, I cannot explain it any better. |
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07/05/2008 05:16:29 PM · #52 |
I was going to post this reply here but it is off-topic, I have started a thread under rant instead for those who wish...
The condition of ethics in the US and World
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07/05/2008 05:19:03 PM · #53 |
Reminds me of an episode of "The Simpsons"
Mobster- "now Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread for your starving family?"
Bart- "Well, no, i guess not"
Mobster- "lets say you have a REALLY big family, is it wrong to steal a truck load of bread?"
Bart- "No"
Mobster- "now lets say your family don't like bread, they like.... (photoshop)
(or something like that ;)) |
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07/05/2008 05:31:42 PM · #54 |
Just a friendly reminder -- if you are a student, or work for an educational institution, you can get a lot of the software at a drastically reduced amount.
I work for a community college. I found PhotoShop at one place with about a 65% discount. However, in the contract to buy, it did state it could not be used for commercial purposes. I figure I would be using commercially, so did not get it. I can usually find it for at least 25% off though. |
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07/05/2008 06:24:13 PM · #55 |
[Originally posted by SteveJ:
I can't believe the number of law abiding people we have here. I am playing Devil's Advocate here by the way. All the decent, honourable members and users who state how wrong it is to steal, borrow, call it what you like. None have ever taken a pencil at work and put it in their pocket?? Been handed a ticket in a car park with a couple of hours left on it? These are theft!
To determine that someone who is 18/19/20 years old and an idiot is discriminatory and an insult to young people. Remember, these kids have been raised in a society created by us, where the internet is a source of anything you want, usually free. I don't condone their actions or opinions, nor do I condemn their honesty.
I just hope no-one who has posted here has ever copied a friend's CD or downloaded MP3s.
Just my two pence worth, normal service is now resumed:)
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All the free downloading that the internet has to offer kept me out of trouble. When i was 14-17 i sold cds to everyone i knew in school. Parents didnt provide me with much and i needed some money. This is when downloading music and burning your own cds just got popular. I Kept a library of downloaded albums and sold every cd for 5$. I even occassionally made my own mixtapes and designed my own covers with photoshop(that i of course got for free), and printed em out to sell with my mixtapes.
Eventually i got more into designing the covers then selling cds, then from there more into photography then design. I know it was wrong, but meanwhile most my close friends were selling drugs, robbing people, dropping out of school. If i didnt have photoshop or access to that music i would probably be in their boat. |
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07/05/2008 06:35:34 PM · #56 |
If you can't afford the price they demand, there are plenty of other choices that cost a lot less or are even free.
Message edited by author 2008-07-05 18:37:28. |
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07/05/2008 06:42:24 PM · #57 |
Yep, excuses make it all better! I can justify anything I want with the right words at the right time but it does not make it better or acceptable. Sorry, I have no sympathy for you or your excuses.
Originally posted by KirkMcGirt:
All the free downloading that the internet has to offer kept me out of trouble. When i was 14-17 i sold cds to everyone i knew in school. Parents didnt provide me with much and i needed some money. This is when downloading music and burning your own cds just got popular. I Kept a library of downloaded albums and sold every cd for 5$. I even occassionally made my own mixtapes and designed my own covers with photoshop(that i of course got for free), and printed em out to sell with my mixtapes.
Eventually i got more into designing the covers then selling cds, then from there more into photography then design. I know it was wrong, but meanwhile most my close friends were selling drugs, robbing people, dropping out of school. If i didnt have photoshop or access to that music i would probably be in their boat. |
Message edited by author 2008-07-05 18:47:10. |
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07/05/2008 06:45:01 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by KirkMcGirt:
All the free downloading that the internet has to offer kept me out of trouble. When i was 14-17 i sold cds to everyone i knew in school. Parents didnt provide me with much and i needed some money. This is when downloading music and burning your own cds just got popular. I Kept a library of downloaded albums and sold every cd for 5$. I even occassionally made my own mixtapes and designed my own covers with photoshop(that i of course got for free), and printed em out to sell with my mixtapes.
Eventually i got more into designing the covers then selling cds, then from there more into photography then design. I know it was wrong, but meanwhile most my close friends were selling drugs, robbing people, dropping out of school. If i didnt have photoshop or access to that music i would probably be in their boat. |
Have you ever heard 'the ends don't justify the means'?
I mean...you went into a completely different level from your previous posts.
Illegaly using software is wrong and illegal...but it is ,in my opinion, a far greater crime to sale other people's work and profit from it.
Message edited by author 2008-07-05 18:45:40.
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07/05/2008 06:48:01 PM · #59 |
I guess all the illegal downloads you did bought the photography equipment that you now illegally process with your stolen software?
I think I am seeing a trend here, but that will only tell after time! |
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07/05/2008 06:53:29 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by karmat:
...... I found PhotoShop at one place with about a 65% discount. However, in the contract to buy, it did state it could not be used for commercial purposes.... |
Now, this is one area that bothers me. I understand they are selling it at a steep discount. But, I don't agree with companies that dictate whether you can or cannot use a program for commerical purposes. If you fit the particular discount program, they should permit you to use the software as you see fit.
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07/05/2008 07:26:31 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
I guess all the illegal downloads you did bought the photography equipment that you now illegally process with your stolen software?
I think I am seeing a trend here, but that will only tell after time! |
no that money bought me clothes, food & other general things like that. |
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07/05/2008 07:43:19 PM · #62 |
I think making fun of someones name or calling them insulting names is really below DPC standards...
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I was going to chew KirkMcGirt's ass over what he did. But thinking about it... he sold photoshop at school to underage kids. Underage kids, do not buy $500 photo editing programs, their parents do not buy them $500 photo editing programs. I doubt if a single one of those kids, would have purchased photoshop.
HOWEVER WHEN I WAS 15 I DID BUY PHOTOSHOP 2.5, but I was an exception and had a legal settlement to buy my first pc, software, etc. and yes, I could have got it for free from my brother but I didn't.
In society we have few laws which are fixed in stone, most allow for a great deal of leeway. This is one of the functions of a judge, to assess a persons situation, the harm done if any, their record, and assign a penalty fitting the crime. The reason for that is because, not every situation is the same, the harm caused by one person doing something isn't the same as the harm caused by someone else doing the exact same thing.
We have the opportunity to play judge here on DPC in this thread. I'm seeing a lot of "judges" here wanting to throw the book at the perp without even exploring the reasons, harms, or other details before hand. It is unfair to say "He broke the law, he deserves death!".
Of course, this like most of what I say is just one opinion and I do not mean to make anyone feel inferior by sharing it.
:3 *tries to turn into a cute kitten before he is thrown to the lions*
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07/05/2008 07:45:26 PM · #63 |
| hold. i did not sell photoshop. only sold music cds. |
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07/05/2008 07:46:39 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by KirkMcGirt:
hold. i did not sell photoshop. only sold music cds. |
Oh, well then you deserve death, sorry. Thank you for being honest though, I will feed the lions before you are thrown to them, perhaps they will spare you.
Message edited by author 2008-07-05 19:48:05. |
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07/05/2008 07:53:53 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by KirkMcGirt:
hold. i did not sell photoshop. only sold music cds. |
But, did that buy your photography equipment? |
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07/05/2008 07:53:53 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by KirkMcGirt:
hold. i did not sell photoshop. only sold music cds. |
Oh, well then you deserve death, sorry. Thank you for being honest though, I will feed the lions before you are thrown to them, perhaps they will spare you. |
thanks i guess haha.
and you right egamble i shouldnt be trying to justify downloading programs and music for free, but i thought id try to show ya things from my perspective before everyone starts throwing stones at me. |
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07/05/2008 07:59:21 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Originally posted by KirkMcGirt:
hold. i did not sell photoshop. only sold music cds. |
But, did that buy your photography equipment? |
Nah i said i only sold music cds for 5$. sometimes 3$. that was when i was a freshman in high school and it bought me lunch money and clothes haha. I bought my photography equipment with money i made from designing cd covers, flyers, posters ect. for djs and rappers. I bought a 900$ konica minolta 8mp camera off money i did from that. After charging for photoshoots with that camera it bought my my canon 30d and so on. I guess you could argue that the money i bought my camera equipment with isnt 100% honest but give me a break.
Message edited by author 2008-07-05 20:00:45. |
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07/05/2008 08:03:41 PM · #68 |
| Some people, especially younger ones (but not always), just don't get it. Hopefully someone will read this entire thread and it will hit home before they get involved in a justified survival mode. |
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07/05/2008 08:24:50 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by KirkMcGirt:
I guess you could argue that the money i bought my camera equipment with isnt 100% honest but give me a break. |
DOH! No break! It is, by your own admission, theft! So now we get back to thanking Trinity for doing the right thing. |
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07/05/2008 09:28:28 PM · #70 |
| I wonder just how serious Adobe really is about stopping Adobe pirated sw. They talk the talk, but why didn't they make their software CDs with the technology that prevents copying, like Microsoft did with Windows? Could it be they benefit from having people pirate their sw? I'd imagine that a person who learns to use PS obtained illegally may in the future become a loyal paying customer. |
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07/06/2008 01:33:44 AM · #71 |
Most software companies won't go after the little guy - the one who downloads it off the internet then uses it to process personal pictures, if we're talking Photoshop. But they will go after the ones who download it and re-market it for a profit - probably the people selling it at a 65% discount fall into that bin.
Kirk, you're approaching the point where you should probably fork over the cash. Yeah, a LOT cheaper and easier to download the stuff and just use it (hard to argue the cost factor) but if the work you're doing with it was able to provide enough cash for the camera equipment, then I'd have to say you're using it for profit at this point, not just personal use. And I do find it humorous in a way that the dorks you went to school with weren't smart enough to download their own music and burn their own CDs. :-)
All that said, I do think Adobe has an absurdly high price point for Photoshop for the "average Joe" - Photoshop is obviously aimed at use in commercial ventures, not the home consumer. Elements is their "home consumer" version. And what's up with the soon to be massively priced effects packages, like LucisArt? Isn't that going to be around $700 or such? I'll just stick with CS3, though to be honest, all I really probably need is Elements. |
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07/06/2008 01:56:41 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I wonder just how serious Adobe really is about stopping Adobe pirated sw. They talk the talk, but why didn't they make their software CDs with the technology that prevents copying, like Microsoft did with Windows? Could it be they benefit from having people pirate their sw? I'd imagine that a person who learns to use PS obtained illegally may in the future become a loyal paying customer. |
Microsoft gives away countless computers and software to schools each year. While it is very nice of them, it is also an investment for Microsoft. Kids grow up using Windows based programs and will generally buy Windows based machines as they get older.
The same general concept works with Photoshop. Once you use a full version, nothing compares for many people. Photoshop owes its massive success in part to pirating. My first copy of Photoshop was a burned copy given to me by my work. I've been hooked ever since and have always raved about it to other people.
If Adobe really wanted to, they could protect their software the same way Windows is protected. There's still people that pirate Windows, but it's a heck of a lot harder than it used to be. Adobe knows these kids will grow up and aspire to have their very own copy of the software. They know they'll get paid and in the mean time are grateful for the free advertising these kids are doing. |
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07/06/2008 10:24:28 AM · #73 |
Whew, glad things have quietened down on this link! Lol! Thanks for wishes, I am certainly going to have fun when my copy of Photoshop arrives! I am not a computer expert so it has taken me a while but I have posted the link to the Photoshop CS3 special offer and I hope it will work.
Something I forgot to mention yesterday, is that this special offer is limited to people who have a copy of Photoshop Elements and want to buy the full version of Photoshop CS3. I hope it works and that some of you might find it useful.
//mail.adobe-direct.com/v?xJnqcnnElTllTvJT |
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07/07/2008 01:19:50 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
Originally posted by karmat:
...... I found PhotoShop at one place with about a 65% discount. However, in the contract to buy, it did state it could not be used for commercial purposes.... |
Now, this is one area that bothers me. I understand they are selling it at a steep discount. But, I don't agree with companies that dictate whether you can or cannot use a program for commerical purposes. If you fit the particular discount program, they should permit you to use the software as you see fit. |
They aren't selling the program. They're selling a license to use the program. That license is an agreement on how you will use the software.
If you want to think of it another way, a photographer typically doesn't sell their images, they license them for a specific use. If you get paid by a company to use your image as a 1/4 page buried in the middle of a textbook you'll get a smaller fee than if they use it on the cover of a bestseller. |
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07/07/2008 01:20:51 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I wonder just how serious Adobe really is about stopping Adobe pirated sw. They talk the talk, but why didn't they make their software CDs with the technology that prevents copying, like Microsoft did with Windows? Could it be they benefit from having people pirate their sw? I'd imagine that a person who learns to use PS obtained illegally may in the future become a loyal paying customer. |
So, if I don't lock my car, that makes it OK for you to drive it to the grocery store? |
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