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06/16/2008 07:43:07 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Yes, I'm serious.
There's no way that gives you the control a hand meter does. |
Chase Jarvis begs to differ... |
So?
Just because you read it on the 'net makes it true?
Just because some guy I've never heard of blogged about it makes it so?
I can write a blog that the moon is made of cheese, does that make it true? |
Why don't you flip through his site before you pan him off as a random blogger. Hasselblad doesn't hand out the title of "Master" to any hack with a camera...
Just because someone has a different opinion as you, doesn't mean you have to get all defensive about it. Use your light meter if it works for you. I prefer a different method, and I'm not the only one who thinks that way. I wouldn't recommend someone purchase a light meter; you do. I know what I'll be doing with my money, who cares what someone else does with theirs? |
Again, so?
I'm not the only one who uses a light meter either.
If you don't care what someone else does with their money, why did you post in the first place? |
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06/16/2008 08:01:56 PM · #27 |
Grabbing my popcorn. This beats Nancy Grace hands down.
Then again, anything beats Nancy Grace :) |
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06/16/2008 08:12:15 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Again, so?
I'm not the only one who uses a light meter either.
If you don't care what someone else does with their money, why did you post in the first place? |
The OP asked for advice, and I made my recommendation. I would've left it at that if you hadn't made some absurd comments about a histogram being useless, unprofessional, and a waste of time. |
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06/16/2008 08:15:57 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by option:
You have a meter already, in your camera. Get the light and become better acquainted with your histogram. |
When did they include a flash meter in the D200. Did I miss this |
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06/16/2008 08:24:08 PM · #30 |
I have a sekonic 358, it's a nice meter, very simple to use. I got it to replace my Gossen multi-pro. I don't think it's quite as accurate as the gossen was but I also haven't spent the time with it to dial it in.
I would still rather use my gossen but for some reason the flash meter stopped working, it is almost 20 years old. |
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06/16/2008 08:27:31 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
Originally posted by option:
You have a meter already, in your camera. Get the light and become better acquainted with your histogram. |
When did they include a flash meter in the D200. Did I miss this |
Right about the same time as they included an LCD and a histogram... |
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06/16/2008 08:29:21 PM · #32 |
I beg to differ but as far as I know thats a reflective meter in the camera and it is not a flash meter the sekonic meter is an incident flash meter
Message edited by author 2008-06-16 21:03:26. |
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06/16/2008 08:34:35 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
I beg to differ but as far as I know thats a reflective incident meter not a flash meter |
Histogram, it is your friend. |
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06/16/2008 09:06:08 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
I beg to differ but as far as I know thats a reflective incident meter not a flash meter |
Histogram, it is your friend. |
How do you meter for multiple lights, The histogram is a representation of the whole scene, not individual lights. Simplying looking at the lcd screen is not an accurate representation of what the image will look like. |
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06/16/2008 09:36:18 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
I beg to differ but as far as I know thats a reflective incident meter not a flash meter |
Histogram, it is your friend. |
How do you meter for multiple lights, The histogram is a representation of the whole scene, not individual lights. Simplying looking at the lcd screen is not an accurate representation of what the image will look like. |
Sure it is. Snap a frame, check the histogram. Adjust your exposure to get the ambient dialed in. Set your lights up, set them to a power that's appropriate for your ambient exposure and distance to the subject, snap another test frame, check LCD / histogram. If anything is off, go adjust it. And, thats about it. The better you know your lights, the less adjusting you'll need to do. It's like a Polaroid, but instant and with more information. |
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06/16/2008 09:44:19 PM · #36 |
I'm sorry, but histogram alone will not help you set studio lights properly. In order to judge the ratio of each light, balance ambient light and create specific dramatic effects, you need to know the metering of each light and how each will affect the overall scene. If you use a light meter, you can set each light without ever shooting a single frame and when you know how, you can do it quickly to work in any environment, in any light or to create any effect you desire.
PS, a light meter is also very handy when exposing changing light conditions when you only have one shot to get it right... like weddings.
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06/16/2008 09:44:38 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by iamkmaniam:
I beg to differ but as far as I know thats a reflective incident meter not a flash meter |
Histogram, it is your friend. |
How do you meter for multiple lights, The histogram is a representation of the whole scene, not individual lights. Simplying looking at the lcd screen is not an accurate representation of what the image will look like. |
Sure it is. Snap a frame, check the histogram. Adjust your exposure to get the ambient dialed in. Set your lights up, set them to a power that's appropriate for your ambient exposure and distance to the subject, snap another test frame, check LCD / histogram. If anything is off, go adjust it. And, thats about it. The better you know your lights, the less adjusting you'll need to do. It's like a Polaroid, but instant and with more information. |
OK I'm not going to criticize your technique, it's obvious that you have this worked out. I am a firm believer of multiple paths to the same end, but for me I'll use a light meter and I will recommend having one and using one. |
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06/16/2008 09:49:26 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Again, so?
I'm not the only one who uses a light meter either.
If you don't care what someone else does with their money, why did you post in the first place? |
The OP asked for advice, and I made my recommendation. I would've left it at that if you hadn't made some absurd comments about a histogram being useless, unprofessional, and a waste of time. |
The histogram has many uses, being a substitute for a flash meter just isn't one of them. |
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06/16/2008 09:51:32 PM · #39 |
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The histogram has many uses, being a substitute for a flash meter just isn't one of them. [/quote]
I agree |
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06/16/2008 09:55:33 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Again, so?
I'm not the only one who uses a light meter either.
If you don't care what someone else does with their money, why did you post in the first place? |
The OP asked for advice, and I made my recommendation. I would've left it at that if you hadn't made some absurd comments about a histogram being useless, unprofessional, and a waste of time. |
The histogram has many uses, being a substitute for a flash meter just isn't one of them. |
How so? They both tell you, essentially, the same thing: exposure. |
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06/16/2008 10:02:41 PM · #41 |
I'm afraid if I shot without a meter I would look like a fool. Move the model 2 feet, run to the camera, shoot, chimp, run back and change a light, back to the camera, shoot, chimp, adjust exposure, shoot again, chimp again..... it just isn't very professional, nor is it efficient.
Move the model 2 feet (perhaps closer to a light, or farther from one), carry the meter to her & flash it, walk back to the camera, set exposure, shoot once. Move the model again.... I can't be with each client forever and experimental lighting doesn't sell well.
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06/16/2008 10:03:16 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Again, so?
I'm not the only one who uses a light meter either.
If you don't care what someone else does with their money, why did you post in the first place? |
The OP asked for advice, and I made my recommendation. I would've left it at that if you hadn't made some absurd comments about a histogram being useless, unprofessional, and a waste of time. |
The histogram has many uses, being a substitute for a flash meter just isn't one of them. |
How so? They both tell you, essentially, the same thing: exposure. |
One tells you the aggregate exposure captured by the camera.
The other lets you measure each light source independently and calculate a balance/ratio between them immediately. Or it will tell you how many times to fire your flash to get to a desired f-stop in the event your flash isn't powerful enough. Or, in the event the ambient light is changing, it will let you quickly meter and re-balance. |
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06/16/2008 10:11:39 PM · #43 |
| MHO - get the light meter. I have 2 AB800's and the Sekonic. They go together. I can get plenty decent lighting effects, and if I need a hair light I can use a clip-on hardware light with a low power bulb. |
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06/16/2008 10:21:03 PM · #44 |
Yikes... you guys still going back and forth on this?
In a pinch, you CAN use the camera's meter to take spot readings off different areas, but a dedicated tool gives you much more flexibility. Personally, I'd rather have the fill/rim/hair/background flexibility of three lights that require a few test shots than two lights and a known exposure, but a good light meter would be next on my list.
In some ways, this is like astronomers debating the merits of a GOTO telescope: the computer makes everything easier and more efficient, but working out the settings yourself also forces you to learn the process, and you might be able to afford a larger manual telescope in the meantime. Not such a bad thing. ;-) |
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06/16/2008 10:42:41 PM · #45 |
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06/16/2008 10:44:32 PM · #46 |
| do u guys use butter on your popcorn? i prefer it but doc says its no good. Anyway, carry on :) |
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06/16/2008 10:56:09 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by dmadden:
do u guys use butter on your popcorn? i prefer it but doc says its no good. Anyway, carry on :) |
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06/16/2008 11:56:23 PM · #48 |
Once you get familiar with you lighting kit you can do many 1, 2 and even 3 light setups by eye.
Sometimes it's wise to chimp in order to confirm your setup but it's not hard.
I also have the L358 but it only gets used for the more complex mutli light setups.
bazz. |
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