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 05/22/2008 11:40:56 PM · #51
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by zeuszen:

Any benefit, IMO, is corrupted when hordes of pharisees, with a stroke of a key, pass judgment on matters outside of their experience and then, righteously, justify the damage.


I find it difficult to reconcile the above statement with your voting record:
Votes Cast: 13,423
Avg Vote Cast: 3.5606


Nailed him good with that.
 05/22/2008 11:48:31 PM · #52
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
...I find it difficult to reconcile the above statement with your voting record:
Votes Cast: 13,423
Avg Vote Cast: 3.5606


Isn't that "troll level" voting average?


I would think so, but many find his voting insightful and honest.
I have never understood that.
 05/22/2008 11:49:48 PM · #53
A vote of 5 from zeuszen, for me, is the same as getting a 9 from anyone else and if a comment came with it, consider it a 10. If you read what he has expressed in many threads regarding the way he votes you would feel the same way as I do. But alas all you see is a number and not the thought behind it. Don't bash zeuszen he is prolly the most thoughtful and consistent voter on the site. I feel the same way about routergu...er... violinist123.

Message edited by author 2008-05-22 23:52:03.
 05/22/2008 11:52:11 PM · #54
^ see I told ya :)
 05/22/2008 11:57:24 PM · #55
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
A vote of 5 from zeuszen, for me, is the same as getting a 9 from anyone else and if a comment came with it, consider it a 10. If you read what he has expressed in many threads regarding the way he votes you would feel the same way as I do. But alas all you see is a number and not the thought behind it. Don't bash zeuszen he is prolly the most thoughtful and consistent voter on the site. I feel the same way about routergu...er... violinist123.


Of course, you just actually typed "prolly", so I'm not sure I can trust your judgement. :)
 05/22/2008 11:58:43 PM · #56
Originally posted by Cam:
...I would think so, but many find his voting insightful and honest.
I have never understood that.


You mean he is a good commenter, a good photographer (maybe better than most of us) and that's why his votes are low? Because the rest of us not on his photography level? I don't understand either :P

Message edited by author 2008-05-22 23:59:15.
 05/22/2008 11:59:37 PM · #57
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
A vote of 5 from zeuszen, for me, is the same as getting a 9 from anyone else and if a comment came with it, consider it a 10. If you read what he has expressed in many threads regarding the way he votes you would feel the same way as I do. But alas all you see is a number and not the thought behind it. Don't bash zeuszen he is prolly the most thoughtful and consistent voter on the site. I feel the same way about routergu...er... violinist123.


Of course, you just actually typed "prolly", so I'm not sure I can trust your judgement. :)


Yeah I got that from scalvert. Prolly shouldn't use it anymore. And don't take my word for it the truth is in his posts. :-)

Message edited by author 2008-05-23 00:00:16.
 05/23/2008 12:04:48 AM · #58
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
A vote of 5 from zeuszen, for me, is the same as getting a 9 from anyone else and if a comment came with it, consider it a 10. If you read what he has expressed in many threads regarding the way he votes you would feel the same way as I do. But alas all you see is a number and not the thought behind it. Don't bash zeuszen he is prolly the most thoughtful and consistent voter on the site. I feel the same way about routergu...er... violinist123.


Of course, you just actually typed "prolly", so I'm not sure I can trust your judgement. :)


Yeah I got that from scalvert. Prolly shouldn't use it anymore. And don't take my word for it the truth is in his posts. :-)


Probably so!
 05/23/2008 12:05:27 AM · #59
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
prolly


Philistine! Pharisee!

Surely ye know that proper usage is "probly"

:~)
 05/23/2008 12:06:05 AM · #60
Oh my. I have often refrained from entering a picture because I wasn't sure it met the challenge. I am a little chuffed that the OP is complaining about low scores/DNMCs having intentionally not met the challenge. That said, I do think there is generally a lot of latitude given here on interpretation, but as well I honestly don't think too much harm to the creative spirit can be delivered by a bunch of DNMCs, merited or not. This is a game, not a nursery school. And the OP was within his rights to submit whatever he wanted, and he still feels good about his picture and got a lot of people to look at it too, so where is the harm?

Pharisees abound. Sometimes in ourselves.

Edit: "prolly" is a wunnerful woid, made famous I think in Guys and Dolls. (Current open challenge themes).

Message edited by author 2008-05-23 00:09:46.
 05/23/2008 01:06:12 AM · #61
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
A vote of 5 from zeuszen, for me, is the same as getting a 9 from anyone else and if a comment came with it, consider it a 10. If you read what he has expressed in many threads regarding the way he votes you would feel the same way as I do. But alas all you see is a number and not the thought behind it. Don't bash zeuszen he is prolly the most thoughtful and consistent voter on the site. ...


What he said (including the colloquialism)
:-))
05/23/2008 02:01:16 PM · #62
Originally posted by tnun:
I am a little chuffed that the OP is complaining about low scores/DNMCs having intentionally not met the challenge.


Actually, I wasn't complaining, I was curious. Note that I phrased my post in a questioning matter to reflect that. I was interested to see if people would really vote higher for a terrible photo than for a DNMC.

I have to say that I've seen alot of DNMC comments on photos that, to me, clearly met the challenge, so hopefully it all evens out in the end. My case was just a jumping-off point for discussion.

Message edited by author 2008-05-23 14:01:35.
 05/23/2008 02:15:07 PM · #63
simple answer, yes.
 05/23/2008 02:26:34 PM · #64
an mazing shoehorned picture can get an decent score from me. i hate it when people say "DNMC" for a picture that i went out to shoot for the challenge. some people lack imagination.i don't mind being voted down technically tho. in your case the picture obviously was not soft focus lol i gave you a 4 and that wasn't the lowest score i gave out
 05/23/2008 05:41:06 PM · #65
Okay, I stand corrected, about it being a query not a complaint. (Also kicking myself for not entering fair shots not unequivocally-to-me meeting the challenge. Just I care about meeting the challenge, and that is easier for me to judge than whether others meet it or not; as well some of the shoehorning can be very amusing, and I tend to vote that higher than not, so maybe that is no different from zeuszen voting on the quality. Or not. Like pizza).
 06/12/2008 04:39:47 PM · #66
Bump for this fine thread.

Any thoughts on whether this should have won the Night Sky challenge.



It looks DMNC to me, but this is the highest scoring photo that I have every seen. The DPC voters must be correct, right? Most folks seem to argue that following the Challenge Title of "Night Sky" is sufficent and, following this logic, think the Challenge Description is optional.

BTW it is a great photo, would have easily won the next Free Study.

Night Sky
An Exclusive Open Challenge using the Advanced Editing (Jan 14th) rules.

Description
Use the moon, stars or planets to create a photo that's out of this world! The visual impact of your image should be heavily dependent on your depiction of the night sky.

-Bob Pizzano
 06/12/2008 04:44:16 PM · #67
I vote DNMC but it sure is pretty to look at.
 06/12/2008 04:44:48 PM · #68
Originally posted by bobnospum:
Bump for this fine thread.

Any thoughts on whether this should have won the Night Sky challenge.



It looks DMNC to me, but this is the highest scoring photo that I have every seen. The DPC voters must be correct, right? Most folks seem to argue that following the Challenge Title of "Night Sky" is sufficent and, following this logic, think the Challenge Description is optional.

BTW it is a great photo, would have easily won the next Free Study.

Night Sky
An Exclusive Open Challenge using the Advanced Editing (Jan 14th) rules.

Description
Use the moon, stars or planets to create a photo that's out of this world! The visual impact of your image should be heavily dependent on your depiction of the night sky.

-Bob Pizzano


I think this does meet the challenge. It is using the visual impact of a storm, and the night sky, on EARTH... I really believe that the Earth would fit the description of a planet. Just my thoughts though...

Message edited by author 2008-06-12 16:45:59.
 06/12/2008 04:46:45 PM · #69
I took planets to mean the ones in the night sky, Saturn with its many engagement rings for example.
 06/12/2008 04:50:32 PM · #70
There is one other thing....

"The visual impact of your image should be heavily dependent on your depiction of the night sky."
To me...this means the photographers depiction of what they consider the night sky...not someone else.

Maybe it could have been worded different to say this instead:

"The visual impact of your image should be heavily dependent on THE VOTERS depiction of the night sky."

Message edited by author 2008-06-12 16:51:17.
 06/12/2008 06:30:15 PM · #71
350 voters (voting 7 or higher) seem to have disagreed with your very narrow impression of the challenge description. The voters have spoken - and it clearly meets challenge by more than 80% of the people that voted.

Originally posted by bobnospum:
Bump for this fine thread.

Any thoughts on whether this should have won the Night Sky challenge.



It looks DMNC to me, but this is the highest scoring photo that I have every seen. The DPC voters must be correct, right? Most folks seem to argue that following the Challenge Title of "Night Sky" is sufficent and, following this logic, think the Challenge Description is optional.

BTW it is a great photo, would have easily won the next Free Study.

Night Sky
An Exclusive Open Challenge using the Advanced Editing (Jan 14th) rules.

Description
Use the moon, stars or planets to create a photo that's out of this world! The visual impact of your image should be heavily dependent on your depiction of the night sky.

-Bob Pizzano
06/12/2008 06:52:49 PM · #72
Could it be that 350 voters could care less about the topic or description and instead just voted on a very nice photo?
 06/12/2008 06:57:41 PM · #73
I completely disagree! Those that are narrow minded are the only ones that care? I think not. Maybe it is more that the 350 are the ones that understand that the title of the challenge holds the most weight for the challenge, and that the challenge description is used for those who prepare images to get their imaginations going....

A question for you...How are you going to deal with the fact that we have a "Free Study" in June with a challenge description of "Have a great June!"... If the image is not a happy and great image about June, does it not meet the challenge description?

Originally posted by togtog:
Could it be that 350 voters could care less about the topic or description and instead just voted on a very nice photo?
06/12/2008 07:20:17 PM · #74
Originally posted by togtog:
Could it be that 350 voters could care less about the topic or description and instead just voted on a very nice photo?


Sad ain't it? When voters vote highly for DNMC images.

Not that this one is DNMC.

I think Night Sky was pretty vague. As I said in that thread, we only have one sky on this planet and it's always 1/2 night and 1/2 day. Also "night" normally begins at 6:00 and around the US in the summer it doesn't get dark until between 8 and 9, so night sky doesn't mean dark.

The challenge description was misleading (as they usually are). It mentioned "moon, stars or planets", but then said "depiction of the night sky"
 06/12/2008 07:27:24 PM · #75
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Message edited by author 2008-06-12 19:28:08.
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