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06/12/2008 11:33:52 AM · #1 |
...thinking otherwise is just foolish.
I can't say for everyone that money brings happiness, but money is everything. Life = Money. There are no options. I am sick and tired of going broke all my life and thinking "Well, money doesn't mean everything; at least I have my health and job"... big "bull crap" if you ask me. I had cancer, and if I didn't have insurance I don't know what would happen (money). I lost my jobs a few times, and suffered... first marriage ended because I couldn't get a house myself. That also does not mean I had a wrong person as wife, it sure went good for a few years thinking the same thing "Money doesn't mean everything, we have each other"... Bull Crap.
I used to think "just enough money should be good. All I need is to pay my bills, rent or whatever, and have a nice vacation"... I had that for a year, and then it started again. Now I changed my mind and I am not making any deals with god either. Without any deal, I want to be stinking rich, and have tons of money. Working pretty hard for decades and now I wish this, and screw the "wonderful life without money" I wish to be rich, very rich... and you know what they say, if you wish it hard enough, it comes true.
... money is everything and the rest is bull crap follows it.
Message edited by author 2008-06-12 11:58:21. |
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06/12/2008 11:47:29 AM · #2 |
| The only people who say money doesnt buy happiness are people who have money. Yeah it won't buy true love and great health, and yeah rich people do have problems, but if a rich person was given the chance to trade places with someone who scraped by on pennies...would they? HELLLL NO! |
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06/12/2008 11:55:06 AM · #3 |
Money may not buy happiness, but it sure can relieve suffering. Remove the suffering and it's easier to be happy.
Too small a house, too unreliable a car, too many tradeoffs (food or gasoline or electric this month?). It can give you life's little luxuries - like A/C, going out to eat, taking a weekend away from home, etc.
Money may not buy happiness, but lack of money sure makes one miserable!
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06/12/2008 12:08:29 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Money may not buy happiness, but lack of money sure makes one miserable! |
It depends... When I was a young boy, our family was dirt poor. Then again, everyone I knew was in the same boat so we really didn't know any different. It didn't stop us from having fun and enjoying life.
We ate fresh vegetables and berries in the summer, and went fishing whenever we could. Winter months were a tad more demanding and the food left a lot to be desired, but by our standards... life was good.
We had no money, but I can assure you that life was anything but miserable.
I never knew we were poor till I left home... and to be honest with you, I am very proud of my background because being poor, we tended to share the bounties of mother earth with family and friends.
Could I live like that today...NOT A CHANCE... I got spoiled over the years, and now might think that life without money would make me miserable.
Ray |
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06/12/2008 01:15:53 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
...thinking otherwise is just foolish.
I can't say for everyone that money brings happiness, but money is everything. Life = Money. There are no options. I am sick and tired of going broke all my life and thinking "Well, money doesn't mean everything; at least I have my health and job"... big "bull crap" if you ask me. I had cancer, and if I didn't have insurance I don't know what would happen (money). I lost my jobs a few times, and suffered... first marriage ended because I couldn't get a house myself. That also does not mean I had a wrong person as wife, it sure went good for a few years thinking the same thing "Money doesn't mean everything, we have each other"... Bull Crap.
I used to think "just enough money should be good. All I need is to pay my bills, rent or whatever, and have a nice vacation"... I had that for a year, and then it started again. Now I changed my mind and I am not making any deals with god either. Without any deal, I want to be stinking rich, and have tons of money. Working pretty hard for decades and now I wish this, and screw the "wonderful life without money" I wish to be rich, very rich... and you know what they say, if you wish it hard enough, it comes true.
... money is everything and the rest is bull crap follows it. |
I wholeheartedly disagree and I will discuss this until I am blue in the face and need cpr to get me going again. You're in a ***hole right now but that doesn't mean you're right about money.
Owning stuff is not what makes life good.
Sorry about your crappy week. |
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06/12/2008 01:51:31 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
...thinking otherwise is just foolish.
I can't say for everyone that money brings happiness, but money is everything. Life = Money. There are no options. I am sick and tired of going broke all my life and thinking "Well, money doesn't mean everything; at least I have my health and job"... big "bull crap" if you ask me. I had cancer, and if I didn't have insurance I don't know what would happen (money). I lost my jobs a few times, and suffered... first marriage ended because I couldn't get a house myself. That also does not mean I had a wrong person as wife, it sure went good for a few years thinking the same thing "Money doesn't mean everything, we have each other"... Bull Crap.
I used to think "just enough money should be good. All I need is to pay my bills, rent or whatever, and have a nice vacation"... I had that for a year, and then it started again. Now I changed my mind and I am not making any deals with god either. Without any deal, I want to be stinking rich, and have tons of money. Working pretty hard for decades and now I wish this, and screw the "wonderful life without money" I wish to be rich, very rich... and you know what they say, if you wish it hard enough, it comes true.
... money is everything and the rest is bull crap follows it. |
You have one thing going for you- you're not naive. But listen; noone said money is everything, they said money isn't everything. So you are right. Money is almost everything. I will give you that.
But I can think of a lot of terribly worse things than living paycheck to paycheck. What if you were paralyzed from the neck down? what if your johnny knocker didn't work? what if everyone one you knew died in a horrific train accident? etc.
You'd give up millions, nay, all of your money, for those not to be true. So please remember that money is not everything, its almost everything.
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06/12/2008 02:24:57 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
...But I can think of a lot of terribly worse things than living paycheck to paycheck. What if you were paralyzed from the neck down? what if your johnny knocker didn't work? what if everyone one you knew died in a horrific train accident?... |
That's another thing I am sick and tired of. Thinking "always" bad things can happen to me... It's like suffering without living those things each moment. What if happens... what if happens... and going nuts over and thanking for whatever I have... Now I am changing my mind and my thinking. Things happen, they will happen anyway. I will start comparing myself to the other people who actually have more money and better lives. From now on I am thinking high... like "high contrast"... I just don't know where am I making mistakes, yet, but I will find out and fix this... be rich, very very rich... I hate to think about tomorrow is a due date for 4 bills, and next day I won't be able eat something I like because I don't have money... and I don't want to think about those who can't find anything to eat at all, but those who eat in the restaurants every day.
No sir. no more. and I am not making any deals with god, or anyone else such as "if I get tons of money, I have to give up from this or that"... no... I will keep whatever I have and get, earn, keep, win (etc) much more money. and if I have more money, then I think about helping others who don't have or had accidents etc... which might be my biggest problem, helping and thinking others more than myself so far.
so far that is... |
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06/12/2008 02:29:23 PM · #8 |
For me I think part of the saying came from poor people who suddenly came into money, set themselves into a lifestyle which was nice but could not be sustained and eventually they were back to being poor plus having debts they assumed they could pay for.
Money needs to be consistent.
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06/12/2008 02:29:45 PM · #9 |
Interesting ... this was the conclusion in another thread i began called "Do you invest?"
In a capitalist society, money is the most important thing.
Apparently.
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06/12/2008 02:39:13 PM · #10 |
| I'd give up anything and everything to spend just one more day with my late husband. There are more important things than money IMHO...and no amount of it will ever bring him back from the dead. |
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06/12/2008 02:54:13 PM · #11 |
| One of my brothers died a few weeks ago. If I gave you all my money, could you give him back to me alive? It's a deal I'm willing to make. |
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06/12/2008 02:58:06 PM · #12 |
I would rather be unhappy with money than unhappy without money !
Edit to add re  rayethier
My childhood was very happy but we were also very poor, electric being cut off etc, 1 holiday away from home (about 10 miles away) in a friends caravan, having to wear my bothers hand-me-downs, having patches in the seat of my shorts/trousers etc but I have wonderful memories of my childhood, we lived on the coast which was a wonderful place to grow up. I also did not realise how poor we were. I was happy but I now understand how much hell my parents went through. Bringing my own family up was also a real struggle but I , like my parents, managed. I sometimes think back to those days and wonder how I made it through but I did. I am not rich by any means but I now dont have that continuing worry about how to find money to live - well to exist rather than live because that is what you do - you exist. I understand how Leo feels and it sucks.
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06/12/2008 03:05:42 PM · #13 |
(I know: There are hundreds if not thousands of people winning lotteries, winning money from other places... starting business and getting rich very quick... having a wonderful life with tons of money, or better life than mine...)
I never underestimate "life" itself and of course no one could compare money to life... I am not doing that. I am just not thinking about it anymore, and I am wishing, and probably started to do something about my miserable life without money. Its control over us is too powerful.
I am sure no one wants to bury their loved ones to backyard but instead give them what they deserve... Can I even do that? wouldn't this make me feel double, triple miserable... thinking if something happens to my loved ones, because I don't have money, I won't be able to give at least a good burial... if they don't die but get sick, can I afford doctors?
Money "IS" everything. |
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06/12/2008 03:26:22 PM · #14 |
In our society, it is.
Unless you're a squatter who lives out of dumpsters you can NOT go one single day without it costing you money. |
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06/12/2008 03:47:46 PM · #15 |
| My favorite phrase is Money May not buy happiness but it will let you choice your own misery. |
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06/12/2008 03:50:49 PM · #16 |
You mean the Rainbow Children?
Originally posted by BeeCee:
In our society, it is.
Unless you're a squatter who lives out of dumpsters you can NOT go one single day without it costing you money. |
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06/12/2008 03:53:20 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
My favorite phrase is Money May not buy happiness but it will let you choice your own misery. |
Nice... that puts me in an endless loop... like this,
I am miserable because I don't have money, not happy about it. So, one day if I be rich, all I would do is choosing my own misery (again)...
so, when can I be happy, if there is no out...
There is happiness without money but it's like shooting star, comes and goes fast. |
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06/12/2008 03:54:27 PM · #18 |
When my brother was 14 he was diagnosed with cancer. That was about 30 years ago. He required years of experimental treatments that had never been performed before. In the end, the doctor bills exceeded 4,000,000 dollars and without any form of insurance to pay for experimental treatment it was my parents who had to foot the bill, or rather, sell everything they owned and declare bankruptcy.
Thank god they didn't need to pay up front or my brother and maybe I would not be here today.
It makes me sick, when the oil companies, make 10bil in profits per month.
Edit: PS, yes, he is fine now cancerwise, he is just $30,000 in debt with three kids. :/
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06/12/2008 03:55:43 PM · #19 |
| Money merely makes life convenient, and enough of it affords a certain level of comfort while eliminating one source of stress. Materially, money may be everything, but your decision to associate it with your own sense of satisfaction and personal success is a choice you made. The life one lives apart from material successes is actually where life "happens". |
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06/12/2008 04:00:44 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
In our society, it is.
Unless you're a squatter who lives out of dumpsters you can NOT go one single day without it costing you money. |
Your first sentence says it all. It depends on your expectations, and what, if anything, makes you happy. There are a lot of people around the world that live with little or no money at all. Are they happy? I'd bet many of them lead much happier lives than others that have money. However, if you need expensive DSLRs, computers, a big house, and fancy cars to make you happy, then yes, money will be very important to you. For some people though, even having the things they wanted hasn't made them happy. Some of my friends are like that. They have lots of money and tons of expensive things, but they're not happy people. Money isn't necessarily the universal remedy that some people think it is.
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06/12/2008 04:19:12 PM · #21 |
The happiest people that I know are the ones that have learned to count their blessings and truly appreciate what they already have.
âSome luck lies in not getting what you thought you wanted but getting what you have, which once you have got it you may be smart enough to see is what you would have wanted had you known.â
~Garrison Keillor
If that doesn't help, then try this one...
âIf you're going through hell, keep going.â
~Winston Churchill
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06/12/2008 04:37:53 PM · #22 |
I am a FOOL and here is my thinking.
Money IS NOT everything, but it does make the world go round.
Money WILL NOT buy you happiness but it can buy you a Hooker.
Money WILL NOT magically make your life pretty, but it does make it easier.
Money IS the Root of all Evil. Society is the plant that carries it.
Money IS not worth the paper it is printed on. It is only an idea that there is something 'backing' the note when there is not.
Money is the handcuffs on society placed by big brother.
yet, how can anyone survive without some type of monetary exchange? Even the 'squatters' in the dumpster are reliant on money, they are reliant that the people who generate the waste they live on, have money to purchase make waste.
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06/12/2008 04:53:12 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by togtog:
When my brother was 14 he was diagnosed with cancer. That was about 30 years ago. He required years of experimental treatments that had never been performed before. In the end, the doctor bills exceeded 4,000,000 dollars and without any form of insurance to pay for experimental treatment it was my parents who had to foot the bill, or rather, sell everything they owned and declare bankruptcy.
Thank god they didn't need to pay up front or my brother and maybe I would not be here today.
It makes me sick, when the oil companies, make 10bil in profits per month.
Edit: PS, yes, he is fine now cancerwise, he is just $30,000 in debt with three kids. :/ |
Where the hell does that fit in??? Oil companies employ tens of thousands of people. Oil companies are owned by shareholders - one of whom might be your parents (via Mutual Fund, etc.). It baffles me how people who complain about being broke wish everyone else was poor as well or begrudges anyone for being successful. Not to mention the lack of logic applied to the idea of "Oil Company Profits" which, as I mentioned, belong to many ordinary people. |
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06/12/2008 04:58:52 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by togtog:
When my brother was 14 he was diagnosed with cancer. That was about 30 years ago. He required years of experimental treatments that had never been performed before. In the end, the doctor bills exceeded 4,000,000 dollars and without any form of insurance to pay for experimental treatment it was my parents who had to foot the bill, or rather, sell everything they owned and declare bankruptcy.
Thank god they didn't need to pay up front or my brother and maybe I would not be here today.
It makes me sick, when the oil companies, make 10bil in profits per month.
Edit: PS, yes, he is fine now cancerwise, he is just $30,000 in debt with three kids. :/ |
Where the hell does that fit in??? Oil companies employ tens of thousands of people. Oil companies are owned by shareholders - one of whom might be your parents (via Mutual Fund, etc.). It baffles me how people who complain about being broke wish everyone else was poor as well or begrudges anyone for being successful. Not to mention the lack of logic applied to the idea of "Oil Company Profits" which, as I mentioned, belong to many ordinary people. |
I am beginning to not like you very much Art, stop bringing facts into this, I spent all my debating points in other threads... |
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06/12/2008 05:11:32 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by togtog:
It makes me sick, when the oil companies, make 10bil in profits per month. |
ExxonMobil's profit margin for the last year was 10.37%
Chevron/Texaco's profit margin was 8.49%
By comparison, consider that
Proctor & Gamble's profit margin was 13.76%
International Paper's profit margin was 13.77%
Colgate/Palmolive's profit margin was 12.91%
HealthSouth's profit margin was 11.34%
A T & T's profit margin was 10.31%
Does it make you sick when you read about the profits of those companies?
Or don't you read about them.
And if not, I wonder why not?
Do you think that maybe it's because the mainstream media likes to incite their audience and need something that hits close to home - and that they can't get you riled up about the profits of the companies that sell toothpaste or Kleenex or cell phones enough to start complaining to your Senators or Representatives - but they can get you riled up if it's the profits of oil companies? |
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