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 06/11/2008 03:37:30 PM · #826
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
That may be what my problem is.....I went for the image being as bright as possible without blowing out, thereby having definition/detail.

That's kind of what I took high contrast to be......and what has been my interpretation.


That sounds more like "high key"
 06/11/2008 03:42:25 PM · #827
Originally posted by xianart:
frankly, i would call high key generally overexposed, whereas high contrast can be mainly dark as well - the main thing is the high and low tones with no intermediate. high key is all high tones. ... if there is no qualifier (high or low key) the image is understood to be exposed 'correctly' or averagely.

Left the photos out of the quote for brevity.

That post belongs in a tutorial! Great examples IMO. :-)
 06/11/2008 03:43:53 PM · #828


these are averagely exposed, super high contrast images. without the extreme contrast, these would have a 'normal' tonal range; neither over- nor underexposed.

these are the kind of images that should be on the front page in a 'high contrast' challenge. there are a whole bunch of lovely images in the challenge that aren't particularly contrasty.

o, and thanks barry. i used to be an art teacher...

Message edited by author 2008-06-11 15:47:35.
 06/11/2008 03:58:58 PM · #829
Christian - thanks for sharing all that wonderful info. Wish we talked before the challenge lol.
 06/11/2008 04:11:29 PM · #830
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I would call these contrasty rather than high contrast, meaning strong contrast, deep darks and bright lights, but still with a wide and full tonal range.

Message edited by author 2008-06-11 16:13:18.
 06/11/2008 04:32:52 PM · #831
Good explanation this, Christian, thanks!
 06/11/2008 04:35:55 PM · #832
Originally posted by xianart:
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I would call these contrasty rather than high contrast, meaning strong contrast, deep darks and bright lights, but still with a wide and full tonal range.


My impression too - a lot of the entries are like this in respect of my seeing that someone's been there with the potential for a hi-c picture right there at their fingertips and then backed off and given in to the same old same old progressive skin tones etc. All of which makes for some damned fine pictures, it may be said, but the only thing the challenge provides is evidence that dpc doesn't have the arsehole for it.



My humble apologies to Goodman who is my hero.

Is it interesting to see both what's lost and what isn't with the hi-c manic jack?

Message edited by author 2008-06-11 16:47:16.
 06/11/2008 04:47:17 PM · #833
Originally posted by my comment on high contrast entries:
this is a lovely image, but i'm afraid it's not really a high contrast image. high contrast has a limited tonal range of high and low tones, with very few intermediate tones. the ultimate high contrast is pure black and white, no greys. the more greys or intermediate tones, the less high contrast it is.


so far, i've left this, with minor tweaking, on 18 images in the challenge. had two thank you responses and, thankfully, no abuse.

now on 25 - 1/4th of my votes. o dear o dear...

Message edited by author 2008-06-11 16:52:16.
 06/11/2008 04:48:27 PM · #834
Originally posted by raish:
Is it interesting to see both what's lost and what isn't with the hi-c manic jack?


yup, the little girl survives quite well, the old man less so. nice cranking, peter.
 06/11/2008 05:09:30 PM · #835
Just stopped back to check in.....WOW!!!!

Now I have homework.

Thanks Christian, Peter, & Barry!
 06/11/2008 06:40:35 PM · #836
Wonderful mini-tutorial, Christian! Thanks much!

But nobody has shown me what off-key is...or is that pretty much anything I shoot?..

BTW afore I forget

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06/12/2008 12:17:27 AM · #837
Originally posted by snaffles:
But nobody has shown me what off-key is...


That'd be anything I sing.

Kendra (at about age 4): Daddy, you're not a very good singer.
Me: Nope.
*pause*
Me: Do you want me to stop singing lullabies to you?
Kendra: No!

Thanks very much for the discussion of high/low contrast and key, Christian, Peter, and Barry! Here's one of my favorite high-contrast images:


Edited: I meant high contrast, not high key!

Message edited by author 2008-06-12 10:51:42.
 06/12/2008 12:25:51 AM · #838
Originally posted by levyj413:
Thanks very much for the discussion of high/low contrast and key, Christian, Peter, and Barry! Here's one of my favorite high-key images:

That has an awful lot of dark tones in it for a high-key. ???
 06/12/2008 01:35:40 AM · #839
A shout out, in particular, to those on Team Out of Focusers and Team Hoovers:

I ask for your cooperation and patience over the next week - with the last month, planning a vacation and then actually going on it, I got seriously behind in sending out ballots for OOBIE awards. I've got now 4 ballots lined up to send out, not including the 5th one coming up as scheduled on Sunday, and nearly every one of them is slated to go out to either one or both of the OOFers or Hoovers teams. I'm going to pace it out 1 every other day or so over the next week, so you are not inundated by the ballots all at once, but I'd greatly appreciate it if you would take the time to vote on each one.

And if you guys promise to stop "winning" the voting privilege each week, I'll promise not to get so far behind again. :-D [joke, joke]

Thanks guys!

06/12/2008 04:44:35 AM · #840
i'll try to be good , karen!

i think jeffrey meant high contrast, surely...
 06/12/2008 07:11:46 AM · #841
LucisArts users - I visited the website out of curiousity - seems the program is going "Pro", and by that they mean "we're going to charge $600 for the thing". That may be a good thing for professionals, but I'm about tapped out as far as purchasing expensive software for photo processing. (If I were guaranteed higher scores, fame, and fortune by using it, I'd consider it, but I'm smart enough to know better.) Anyway, does anyone know of a series of steps or actions that can be used to somewhat replicate the LucisArts Whyeth effects that Doyle uses so very well?
 06/12/2008 08:07:28 AM · #842
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Would someone please give me a comment on my Hi-C entry? It's the one with high contrast!! Please make it a good comment also. I know, I know, I'm not asking for much am I?


Thanks Xianart
 06/12/2008 08:14:14 AM · #843
Here are some really neat high contrast images.

High Contrast Images
 06/12/2008 08:24:00 AM · #844
Originally posted by Melethia:
LucisArts users - I visited the website out of curiousity - seems the program is going "Pro", and by that they mean "we're going to charge $600 for the thing". That may be a good thing for professionals, but I'm about tapped out as far as purchasing expensive software for photo processing. (If I were guaranteed higher scores, fame, and fortune by using it, I'd consider it, but I'm smart enough to know better.) Anyway, does anyone know of a series of steps or actions that can be used to somewhat replicate the LucisArts Whyeth effects that Doyle uses so very well?


Deb, have you tried the Little Ink Pot filters? They are free, here's the link Little Ink Pot, the chalkaholic filter is wonderful, of course you need to use edit/fade with it to get that Lucis type effect, and it doesn't work well on all images. But, give it a try.
 06/12/2008 08:49:43 AM · #845
i think using high pass and shadow highlight might get you that effect.
 06/12/2008 09:04:10 AM · #846
Thanks, guys! I am back in Kuwait so I have my laptop back. It's also the home of the terribly slow internet connection, but I figure I can get the little actions at the link Kelli provided. I think a combination of shadow/highlight (and perhaps some extreme adjustments in RAW with fill light and highlight recovery) combined with an outline layer blended, then high pass sharpened might come close. Or it could be a complete mess. But worth a shot! :-)
 06/12/2008 09:18:26 AM · #847
woof. woof woof.

OOBIE for April 20-26
 06/12/2008 10:53:04 AM · #848
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Thanks very much for the discussion of high/low contrast and key, Christian, Peter, and Barry! Here's one of my favorite high-key images:

That has an awful lot of dark tones in it for a high-key. ???


Oops. Mistyped it. I meant high-contrast.
06/12/2008 11:08:47 AM · #849
Well, it sucks as a score, but it's at least amusing....

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06/12/2008 11:09:30 AM · #850
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Well, it sucks as a score, but it's at least amusing....

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ROFL...

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