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 06/01/2008 11:07:31 AM · #1
Which would you use to describe this?
06/01/2008 11:12:04 AM · #2
Originally posted by Doyle:
Which would you use to describe this?

My problem is that I need a bit more context for this shot to tell me whether it is patriotic or not. Which war are they protesting? Is it a war to help a free and just nation maintain that freedom - i.e WWII, or is it something else?

I think a better question is...is this protest or simply dressing up?

edit- spelling

Message edited by author 2008-06-01 11:13:36.
 06/01/2008 11:16:05 AM · #3
I don't see it as patriotic or unpatriotic. I see young people fighting for what we believe in, which there is a major lacking of in today's society.

Go ahead. I'm ready to ripped a new one by die hard republicans that say "Well if you hate it so much, why don't you just move to Canada!"
 06/01/2008 11:16:35 AM · #4
Neither word occurs to me when I categorize this image mentally.

R.
 06/01/2008 11:17:00 AM · #5
There's a contest at the county fair called "Patriotism". I thought about entering this but I couldn't decide.
 06/01/2008 11:20:57 AM · #6
Originally posted by Doyle:
Which would you use to describe this?

The photo seems to fit your editorial context of a contest at the county fair called "Patriotism"
 06/01/2008 11:22:11 AM · #7
Originally posted by Doyle:
There's a contest at the county fair called "Patriotism". I thought about entering this but I couldn't decide.


In the context of the contest, this is a valid (and provocative) entry. Go for it!

R.
 06/01/2008 11:25:18 AM · #8
Originally posted by Doyle:
There's a contest at the county fair called "Patriotism". I thought about entering this but I couldn't decide.


I think the county fair may be looking for "Apple pie and American flag" type photos. IMHO your photo depicts freedom of speech.
 06/01/2008 11:29:31 AM · #9
Patriotic!

Isn't freedom of speech patriotic?
 06/01/2008 11:33:19 AM · #10
Well, the thing of it is: knee-jerk patriotism = "support our troops" etc etc. This gal's a hippie chick, dontcha' know, and if she wants to rattle a few cages this'll do it for sure :-) And YES, "patriotism" means supporting free speech, LOL.

R.
 06/01/2008 11:33:53 AM · #11
I see patriotism as a love for one's nation, people, and way of life. Notice that there is no government in my definition. People with unquestioned support of their government are the opposite of patriots, they are loyalists. The original patriots (as far as the US is concerned) were the revolutionaries. They loved their nation, people, and way of life. In order to defend it, they revolted against their government (Great Britain).

That being said... yes, that is patriotism. Sadly, its not so obvious to far too many people.
 06/01/2008 11:38:06 AM · #12
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Well, the thing of it is: knee-jerk patriotism = "support our troops" etc etc. This gal's a hippie chick, dontcha' know, and if she wants to rattle a few cages this'll do it for sure :-) And YES, "patriotism" means supporting free speech, LOL.

R.


:P You got it!
 06/01/2008 11:42:14 AM · #13
Originally posted by Jac:
Patriotic!

Isn't freedom of speech patriotic?


I would say freedom of speech is a by product of patriotic acts. People in other countries have the ability to be patriotic to their country, but may not have the same freedom of speech we have in our country.

Submit the photo and see how you do. I was just giving my opinion.

06/01/2008 11:44:53 AM · #14
Originally posted by sempermarine:
Originally posted by Jac:
Patriotic!

Isn't freedom of speech patriotic?


I would say freedom of speech is a by product of patriotic acts. People in other countries have the ability to be patriotic to their country, but may not have the same freedom of speech we have in our country.

Submit the photo and see how you do. I was just giving my opinion.


Thank you! And thanks to everyone!
 06/01/2008 11:53:23 AM · #15
Go for it!
And good luck!
 06/01/2008 12:32:25 PM · #16
Well, it depends on your intent. I really like your shot. If you're just trying to make a statement then go for it, although they'll probably see it as a shoehorn and too divisive. If you want to be competitive I'd consider shooting something apolitical for the masses. Particularly if the fair is up around the M15/thumb area where people tend to be slightly more flag & apple pie patriotic than people closer to Ann Arbor & Detroit. Still, I hope you'll enter this one anyway.

Another great patriotic subject so many of us in Michigan are now sensitive about would be a shot of someone voting (and not having it actually count). Or how about a lawyer filing papers to remove a corrupt public official. :o So much to be patriotic about these days in this neck of the woods. :\
 06/01/2008 01:12:56 PM · #17
The previous posts stating that they are probably looking for the "mom, flag and apple pie" shots are probably dead on. I like the shot and find the thought of using it in a "patriotism" themed photo contest very interesting. It reminded me of a few quotes (I had to go searching for them to make sure I didn't misquote- and actually found a few others that are rather thought provoking). It makes me wonder what types of reaction this photo would get in such a contest.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots. - Barbara Ehrenreich

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair. - H. L. Mencken

I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. - James Baldwin

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. - Hermann Goering

The nation is divided, half patriots and half traitors, and no man can tell which from which.- Mark Twain

Message edited by author 2008-06-01 13:14:34.
 06/01/2008 01:39:20 PM · #18
Thank you everyone. I've decided to enter it! I really appreciate all of your insight. Terry
 06/01/2008 01:53:20 PM · #19
In my mind, a suggestible title would be:
Patriotism at Work."
 06/01/2008 02:01:58 PM · #20
Originally posted by Doyle:
Thank you everyone. I've decided to enter it! I really appreciate all of your insight. Terry

Cool. Which fair is it and who is voting? The public or a panel? If it's the public I'll be sure to bring my wife by and vote.
 06/01/2008 02:09:04 PM · #21
Let us know how it did please.

Good luck to you Doyle. :D
 06/01/2008 02:24:33 PM · #22
It's the Genesee County Fair and I think a panel votes on it. I'll make sure I let everyone know how it does. Thanks again!
 06/01/2008 03:02:06 PM · #23
Go for it Terry - it's a really provocative entry that should be a really refreshing change from all the flag shots!
 06/01/2008 03:30:21 PM · #24
Honestly, I don't see the photo as being a particularly good representation of patriotism. It doesn't seem very provocative of anything either. To me, it looks more like a badly processed snapshot.

08/11/2008 08:55:59 AM · #25
The fair starts today so cross your fingers for me! :)
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