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05/16/2008 09:17:06 AM · #76 |
My opinion exactly. I think this thread says more about the DPC crowd than about the orig poster. It seemed like DPC was once an accepting, open, friendly crowd generally speaking. Now, it seems pretty intolerant at times. How is it productive to assault someone who is opening up to you?
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Moose408:
So your dad beat you and brainwashed you and you feel the need to tell us why? |
Why the heck do you feel the need to bash on him for sharing where he stands and why? It would have been a lot easier to just leave the thread. |
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05/16/2008 09:19:55 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Once your brain stops functioning, you lose the capacity to believe (or disbelieve) in anything. |
you will weep if you choose to be apart from God. |
Um... same principle, and your sorrow holds no more meaning to me than that of 1,000 other religions claiming you'd be sorry for failure to believe in their particular myth. |
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05/16/2008 09:22:43 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Once your brain stops functioning, you lose the capacity to believe (or disbelieve) in anything. |
you will weep if you choose to be apart from God. |
Um... same principle, and your sorrow holds no more meaning to me than that of 1,000 other religions claiming you'd be sorry for failure to believe in their particular myth. |
Seems the SC can't be right about everything.
I will pray for you. :(
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05/16/2008 09:23:35 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
I will pray for you. :( |
Don't waste your time. Go take pictures. |
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05/16/2008 09:27:08 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
I will pray for you. :( |
Don't waste your time. Go take pictures. |
Already done. And I can multitask. Hard to take photos of God's wonderful Creation and not think of Him.
One more thing... Have a great weekend.
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05/16/2008 09:36:12 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Hard to take photos of God's wonderful Creation and not think of Him. |
Hard for you. Easy for someone who believes in Buddha, Zeus or simply nature itself. |
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05/16/2008 09:39:41 AM · #82 |
Look, everyone belives in something. Whether that be God, Budda, karma, The Big Bang Theory, Sun Gods, Aliens etc.
All of us belive that there is something bigger than us, if that is God, trees, the universe, space, time, icecream, or something else.
What I do not understand is the need to preach and ram your belifes down other peoples throats and brains.
If we all thought the same way and acted the same way, we would all be one single entantie (sp) and one robot all doing the same thing.
If I am not mistaken, even the Bible has diverse people wtih different thoughts and belifes. Who is to say it was not a few men on the side of the road, writing a story in a depressed time to make people happier. Who is to say it is not true that this is and was how it happened and everything written was true.
Everyone has different belefs, just as it is right here in DPC and Photography and your style, we all could take the same exact shot of something and some of us would come up with a different picture, some would come out with the exact same shot.
Telling people that this is the way and the only way and rubbing peoples faces in it, is not going to convert people to do what you think is best for them. Just the oppisit. If you had not guessed, most of hte human race does not like to be told how to do things, they rebel.
Softly Softly is better, you catch more bees with honey than with vinager.
Message edited by author 2008-05-16 09:40:43. |
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05/16/2008 09:43:33 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But the person who thought they were doing good and was kind and generous would die separated from God, because the only Way to Him is through Christ Jesus. |
Looking at the world population breakdown (source) ;
Christianity = 2.1 billion (of whom not all will get into 'heaven' because they weren't good enough)
Which leaves;
Islam = 1.5 billion
Secularism/Irreligious/Agnostic/Atheism = 1.1 billion
Hinduism = 900 million
Chinese traditional religion = 394 million
Buddhism = 376 million
Primal-indigenous = 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic = 100 million
Sikhism = 23 million
Juche = 19 million
Spiritism = 15 million
Judaism = 14 million
Bahá'à= 7 million
Jainism = 4.2 million
Shinto = 4 million
Cao Dai = 4 million
Zoroastrianism = 2.6 million
Tenrikyo = 2 million
Neo-Paganism = 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism = 800 thousand
Rastafarianism = 600 thousand
Scientology = 500 thousand
That's at least 4,767,700,000 non-Christians, add to that the 'bad' Christians making nearly 5 billion living people who your benevolent god is going to banish to eternal damnation? - Not to mention the billions of people he's already damned? (Hell is getting pretty full)
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05/16/2008 09:43:39 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Someone on this thread has made a spurious and unfounded claim:
[user]Louis[/user], Saturday was named after the FATHER of Zeus (Jupiter): Saturn (Kronos). |
Oh... right. :-( Those stupid Romans. Ripping off other people's gods and simply renaming them so that something that seemed better might fit their already-in-place and somehow lesser-seeming deities. Why, that's never happened in the history of humanity! And surely it never happened after that! That's certainly a one-off. Has to be.
(Better shut my mouth now and look above for thunderbolts. The Roman gods are jealous gods.)
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05/16/2008 09:46:38 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
What I do not understand is the need to preach and ram your belifes down other peoples throats and brains. |
Because if they didn't rope new ones in, and didn't drown their kids in this stuff, it'd die out pretty damn quick. |
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05/16/2008 09:47:24 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But the person who thought they were doing good and was kind and generous would die separated from God, because the only Way to Him is through Christ Jesus. |
Looking at the world population breakdown (source) ;
Christianity = 2.1 billion (of whom not all will get into 'heaven' because they weren't good enough)
Which leaves;
Islam = 1.5 billion
Secularism/Irreligious/Agnostic/Atheism = 1.1 billion
Hinduism = 900 million
Chinese traditional religion = 394 million
Buddhism = 376 million
Primal-indigenous = 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic = 100 million
Sikhism = 23 million
Juche = 19 million
Spiritism = 15 million
Judaism = 14 million
Bahá'à= 7 million
Jainism = 4.2 million
Shinto = 4 million
Cao Dai = 4 million
Zoroastrianism = 2.6 million
Tenrikyo = 2 million
Neo-Paganism = 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism = 800 thousand
Rastafarianism = 600 thousand
Scientology = 500 thousand
That's at least 4,767,700,000 non-Christians, add to that the 'bad' Christians making nearly 5 billion living people who your benevolent god is going to banish to eternal damnation? - Not to mention the billions of people he's already damned? (Hell is getting pretty full) |
First off, if you're truly a Christian, being "good enough" is not relevant. Not sure where you're getting that.
as for the "nearly 5 billion living people who your benevolent god is going to banish to eternal damnation" -- God has not chosen to banish them. THEY have chosen it. That's the part you keep missing. God is standing there with a lifeline to anyone who will take it.
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05/16/2008 09:53:36 AM · #87 |
| Well Lone, I am sure the other 4987203498520349034850234502934852093485 people that belive in their Gods are thinking the exact same thing about you too. |
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05/16/2008 09:54:52 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by metatate:
My opinion exactly. I think this thread says more about the DPC crowd than about the orig poster. It seemed like DPC was once an accepting, open, friendly crowd generally speaking. Now, it seems pretty intolerant at times. How is it productive to assault someone who is opening up to you?
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Moose408:
So your dad beat you and brainwashed you and you feel the need to tell us why? |
Why the heck do you feel the need to bash on him for sharing where he stands and why? It would have been a lot easier to just leave the thread. |
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Second. I'm not sure why it's so important to prove each other wrong, no matter which side you take.
If I state what I believe, and you disagree, why is is so incumbent on you to shove my "proselytizing" right back down my throat? Is tolerance only for those who agree with your point of view?
And Christians...STOP ARGUING WITH PEOPLE...especially in a derogatory and disrespectful manner! Non-Believers, atheists and agnostics and outright pagans are going to try to prove you wrong, prove you feeble, and will deride you, you can't help it, you won't win, the absolute best you can do is "turn the other cheek". Instead you flail around with scripture and logic, returning scorn for scorn, and generally pissing people off. NOT TOO GOOD!!! State your beliefs, point the way to any who would follow, love people and let them choose their own path. Remember, there is only a "remnant" that will believe. But the rest of them are real people, too, and deserving of respect.
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05/16/2008 09:57:05 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
God has not chosen to banish them. THEY have chosen it. That's the part you keep missing. God is standing there with a lifeline to anyone who will take it. |
How pathetic that an omnipotent god requires human evangelists to achieve basic belief. BTW- that 2.1 million figure for Christians apparently doesn't apply since approximately half of that number are Catholics. |
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05/16/2008 10:01:51 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
God has not chosen to banish them. THEY have chosen it. That's the part you keep missing. God is standing there with a lifeline to anyone who will take it. |
How pathetic that an omnipotent god requires human evangelists to achieve basic belief. BTW- that 2.1 million figure for Christians apparently doesn't apply since approximately half of that number are Catholics. |
Well, you're all stupid. Everyone knows that there are only 100 people who are ACTUAL Christians. The rest of the earth is going straight to the hellfires of... er, hell. Everybody knows that. The proof? They said so! And they know. So pack up, people, yer all on a one-way trip to the fiery bowels of Satan's inner sanctum, and there's NOTHING you can do about it. (And they WON'T bother praying for you either.) |
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05/16/2008 10:06:09 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
First off, if you're truly a Christian, being "good enough" is not relevant. Not sure where you're getting that. |
I noticed in the other thread where you've referred to Roman Catholics as 'non-Christians', so that lumps another 1,115,000,000 people into the 'Hell' category. Which more than makes up for the bad Christians I mentioned.
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
as for the "nearly 5 billion living people who your benevolent god is going to banish to eternal damnation" -- God has not chosen to banish them. THEY have chosen it. That's the part you keep missing. God is standing there with a lifeline to anyone who will take it. |
So (apart from atheists and buddhists perhaps) just believing in a god(s) isn't good enough to get the 5 billion people into their respective paradises? - It has to be through his 'Christ Jesus' proxy?
Are Christians not allowed to communicate directly with god? |
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05/16/2008 10:06:30 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
What I do not understand is the need to preach and ram your belifes down other peoples throats and brains. |
Because if they didn't rope new ones in, and didn't drown their kids in this stuff, it'd die out pretty damn quick. |
Scare tactics is all it is. If you do not believe, you will burn in hell. What 5 year old will not believe this stuff?
The following is directed toward Lonewolf.
About Christians not being Catholics? Where does this come from? You seem to have made 1.6 billion people disappear for your convenience. What would the Pope say about this? You just removed his reason for existence.
I want the drugs you are using. I need to escape reality as well.
On a serious note. Are there other countries where the people consider themselves to be christians instead of catholics? (funny how Firefox wants me to capitalize christians but not catholics) hmm
eta Lonewolf reference.
Message edited by author 2008-05-16 10:09:36. |
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05/16/2008 10:22:53 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
There is no such thing as a dead atheist. |
There's no such thing as a dead theist either. Once your brain stops functioning, you lose the capacity to believe (or disbelieve) in anything. On the plus side, we'll all finally be free of this incessant proselytization. |
I'm sorry you choose to be wrong on this subject.
And yes, you will be free of "this incessant proselytization" because after you die, it's too late. But you will weep if you choose to be apart from God. |
I'm sorry you choose to be so ridiculous on this subject.
No, after we die, we're worm food. So, no one will be crying after they die.
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05/16/2008 10:26:40 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
just believing in a god(s) isn't good enough to get the 5 billion people into their respective paradises? - It has to be through his 'Christ Jesus' proxy? |
Requiring acceptance of Jesus as the "Get out of Hell free card" would preclude everyone BCE, the entire New World population before Colonial times, every remote tribe who hadn't yet heard the "Good News," all victims of impairment or disability who can't understand language, and every illiterate human who didn't have a proper "teacher." Jesus said "No man comes to the Father, but by Me." -- Feel the love. :-/
Message edited by author 2008-05-16 11:50:35. |
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05/16/2008 10:29:43 AM · #95 |
I know this has been posted before, but I love this exchange:
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
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05/16/2008 10:35:27 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
There was no 0 AD. |
There's no more "A.D." at all anymore -- this period is now typically referred-to as the C.E. the Common (not Christian) Era.
Also, I've always found it interesting that the best estimates for the DOB of the historical Jesus place it at 4 B.C.
Also, not everyone uses that dating system; Jews, Muslims, the Chinese, and astronomers all have there own calendars, none of which have any relation to the birth of Jesus.
Message edited by author 2008-05-16 10:36:53. |
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05/16/2008 10:44:20 AM · #97 |
If you are apart from god... The arrogance with which many religious followers think they know what is Truth and True for all others, it boggles my mind. "Religion is the opiate of the masses" sprang to my mind. Here's the quote in context:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo." Karl Marx (gasp)
For me, this quote summarizes the attitude represented here by some and by any religious sect, which is the narrow-minded exclusion of others. How supremacist, how ignorant, how arrogant, how utterly un-christian. |
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05/16/2008 10:44:46 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
First off, if you're truly a Christian, being "good enough" is not relevant. Not sure where you're getting that. |
I noticed in the other thread where you've referred to Roman Catholics as 'non-Christians', so that lumps another 1,115,000,000 people into the 'Hell' category. Which more than makes up for the bad Christians I mentioned.
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Roman Catholics are "non-Christians'? Man, my mother will be upset to hear THAT! ;-)
See, that's the problem with this whole discussion. Even if you claim to be a Christian you can't be the 'right' kind of Christian unless you subscribe to their brand of Christianity.
The way I see it, these recently born again Christians are like teen agers. They're right and everyone else is stupid if they don't see it that way.
As they mature in the Christian faith they can choose to grow and realize they don't know everything, or they can revel in their self-righteousness and grow more and more intolerant.
It's ironic that the more 'Christian' some people become, the more unlike Christ they behave.
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05/16/2008 11:19:01 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Your fundamental problem, as evidenced in this post, is you believe that YOU create God. |
This statement only serves to indicate your narrow spectrum of interpretation and comprehension.
I neither said, nor implied anything of the kind, and I find it offensive on many levels that you would make that leap.
And as I continually reiterate: Just because you state it, doesn't make it fact.
FACT: You cannot prove the existence of God.
You CAN believe, you can tell me why you believe, or what passes for validation of your beliefs, but ultimately, all you can possibly do, is to try to explain to me that you believe.
I believe in God.......but trust me, it's in SPITE of people like you, NOT because of you.
Message edited by author 2008-05-16 11:20:16. |
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05/16/2008 11:37:59 AM · #100 |
I must confess that I̢۪ve read many of the recent posts here about religion (or lack thereof) with a mixture of amusement, fascination, sadness and disbelief.
That said, I have to ask: has anyone been swayed, one way or the other, by the arguments put forth here? Have any atheists or agnostics prostrated themselves on the ground and begged Jesus to come into their lives? Have any Christians traded in their bibles for the collected works of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris? I̢۪m genuinely curious.
Do any of you newly-enlightened want to give a shout out? Anyone?
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