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05/15/2008 07:30:25 PM · #51 |
Thank you to the other Christians who have spoken courageously for the only world leader in HIStory to have the calendar mark years before and after his approximate birth. Thank you for openly honoring the God-Man Whom even atheists acknowledge tacitly when they date their documents.
Thank you for honoring me as one who stands for Truth when the Lie would have me silenced! Thank you for standing for and with the unpopular. Thank you for calling Jesus LORD on Earth, because He is worth the effort and the investment. :)
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05/15/2008 07:37:27 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Thank you to the other Christians who have spoken courageously for the only world leader in HIStory to have the calendar mark years before and after his approximate birth. |
Is that his claim to fame? Julius Caesar had a calendar *and* a month named after him. |
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05/15/2008 08:52:03 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Thank you to the other Christians who have spoken courageously for the only world leader in HIStory to have the calendar mark years before and after his approximate birth. |
Is that his claim to fame? Julius Caesar had a calendar *and* a month named after him. |
Not to mention a salad and a surgical method. |
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05/15/2008 08:54:38 PM · #54 |
Seriously, instead of ramming it down peoples throats, take the sugar way, you will get more people that way.
and my eyeballs are hurting, I think I strained them from rolling them |
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05/15/2008 08:59:26 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Thank you for openly honoring the God-Man Whom even atheists acknowledge tacitly when they date their documents. |
Lessee... When I write Monday, I honour the moon, Tuesday I honour Tyr, Wednesday I honour Odin, Thursday I honour Thor, Friday I honour Freya, Saturday I honour Zeus, and Sunday I honour Apollo. When I write January I honour Janus, February I honour some old Roman festival, March I honour Mars, April I honour Aphrodite, May I honour Maia, June I honour Juno, July I honour Julius Caesar, August I honour Caesar Augustus, September through December I honour.... numbers? C'mon, this is a little silly. |
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05/15/2008 09:00:30 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Thank you to the other Christians who have spoken courageously for the only world leader in HIStory to have the calendar mark years before and after his approximate birth. |
Is that his claim to fame? Julius Caesar had a calendar *and* a month named after him. |
Not to mention a salad and a surgical method. |
And a bun (by way of the Germans -- Kaisar). |
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05/15/2008 09:03:37 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Thank you for openly honoring the God-Man Whom even atheists acknowledge tacitly when they date their documents.
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So you tacitly acknowledge the pagan gods when you date your documents? :) |
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05/15/2008 09:23:12 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Thank you for openly honoring the God-Man Whom even atheists acknowledge tacitly when they date their documents. |
Lessee... When I write Monday, I honour the moon, Tuesday I honour Tyr, Wednesday I honour Odin, Thursday I honour Thor, Friday I honour Freya, Saturday I honour Zeus, and Sunday I honour Apollo. When I write January I honour Janus, February I honour some old Roman festival, March I honour Mars, April I honour Aphrodite, May I honour Maia, June I honour Juno, July I honour Julius Caesar, August I honour Caesar Augustus, September through December I honour.... numbers? C'mon, this is a little silly. |
Don't forget Easter, the spring festival of the Goddess Eostre and Christmas, the celebration of the winter solstice except for us sounthern hempishereians that celebrate the summer solstice then. December 25th was also the birthday celebration for a few of the sun gods. |
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05/15/2008 10:29:16 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Thank you for openly honoring the God-Man Whom even atheists acknowledge tacitly when they date their documents. |
Stan, this is the kind of stuff that just shoots any credibility right in the ass.
Do you REALLY believe that???????
Tacitly acknowledging the God-man when you write the date?????
That's just clueless.
Part of the philosophy of understanding the other side of any debate is to know your counterpart.
A statement such as that indicates delusional thinking.......how on earth could an atheist POSSIBLY acknowledge something he doesn't believe?
Recording the date hardly qualifies as validating your belief.
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05/15/2008 10:45:24 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Thank you for openly honoring the God-Man Whom even atheists acknowledge tacitly when they date their documents.
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So you tacitly acknowledge the pagan gods when you date your documents? :) |
Or speak the day of the week or the month?
I know, you're really a pagan and this whole Jesus thing is a game.
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05/16/2008 04:54:14 AM · #61 |
Acknowledgement does not require Belief nor Agreement. I acknowledge that all these pagan gods are indeed the alter-egos of the very real fallen angels condemned by God to rule the lesser realm of Earth. So, you have unwittingly once again proven my point that they are acknowledged in the lesser time slots of days & months, and He is acknowledged in the years.
Julius Caesar did/does have a calendar that is at times used for some purposes, but the calendar marked A.D. (i.e. "Anno Domini" or "in the year of our LORD") has had the most common usage for centuries.
Bottom Line: I acknowledge that every person who posts to any of the threads that I have started is in receipt of an excellent mind. Every brilliant point that you have made is believable to many in various groups of world views whether agreeing or disagreeing with me. Though some might be discouraged at your amazing points that appear "on the surface" to refute my beliefs, even your amazing points encourage me that the LORD has created your brilliant minds that can be used for or against Him, and that He is so sure of His control that He doesn't even need to show up to defend Himself until the "fullness of Time."
O, and BTW, the next points that you will no doubt make about all this pointing to "how delusional my mind really is" or any refutation of any point in this or any of my other myriad threads...all underscore my last point. So, Thank You very much! :)
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05/16/2008 06:55:23 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
O, and BTW, the next points that you will no doubt make about all this pointing to "how delusional my mind really is" or any refutation of any point in this or any of my other myriad threads...all underscore my last point. So, Thank You very much! :) |
This is funny. By even replying to any of your posts it proves that there's a god. Because if we didn't have this excellent mind that god 'created' for us then we'd be incapable of replying. So there is a god. QED.
I'm trying to find a word for this style of argument. Verging on solipsism perhaps? Or just verging on the ridiculous? |
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05/16/2008 07:29:42 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
This is funny. By even replying to any of your posts it proves that there's a god. |
Umm...no, it doesn't.
Make whatever leap you want in your own mind, just don't offer it up as fact.
Originally posted by jhonan:
I'm trying to find a word for this style of argument. Or just verging on the ridiculous? |
Yeah......that!
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05/16/2008 08:07:27 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Acknowledgement does not require Belief nor Agreement. |
Absolutely correct.
Niether is it mandatory, and should you choose to tell yourself that's that way things are, fine, the facts may prove different.
In no way does dating a letter, whatever, acknowledge in my world that Jesus is Lord.
That's simply not true....it's just recording a point in time, that's it, no hidden meaning.
You repeatedly show no respect for anyone else's beliefs and try to assimilate yours onto/into others' beliefs. That's not fair, considerate, nor in most cases of your diatribes, accurate.
That's fine if you want to put your spin on it, but your zealous, close-minded views do not change anything for someone who just doesn't share your opinions.......and that's ultimately what they are, YOUR opinions.
Originally posted by 777STAN:
I acknowledge that all these pagan gods are indeed the alter-egos of the very real fallen angels condemned by God to rule the lesser realm of Earth. So, you have unwittingly once again proven my point that they are acknowledged in the lesser time slots of days & months, and He is acknowledged in the years. |
Blah, blah, blah......and once again, you choose to interpret this as your way, regardless of what the facts are.
Maybe you should actually look up paganism. Here!
I know two distinct and different varieties of pagans.....one group, the motorcycle variety, would probably impale you on a pole and cook you for their dogs if you tried to push your views on them, the other, a remarkably intelligent and lucid group, would merely laugh at you with your projections of your beliefs on them.
Originally posted by 777STAN:
Julius Caesar did/does have a calendar that is at times used for some purposes, but the calendar marked A.D. (i.e. "Anno Domini" or "in the year of our LORD") has had the most common usage for centuries.
Bottom Line: I acknowledge that every person who posts to any of the threads that I have started is in receipt of an excellent mind. Every brilliant point that you have made is believable to many in various groups of world views whether agreeing or disagreeing with me. Though some might be discouraged at your amazing points that appear "on the surface" to refute my beliefs, even your amazing points encourage me that the LORD has created your brilliant minds that can be used for or against Him, and that He is so sure of His control that He doesn't even need to show up to defend Himself until the "fullness of Time."
O, and BTW, the next points that you will no doubt make about all this pointing to "how delusional my mind really is" or any refutation of any point in this or any of my other myriad threads...all underscore my last point. So, Thank You very much! :) |
Once again, stating it doesn't make it so.
That whole "I'm rubber, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you" kind of mentality and responses do nothing for your point of view.
It's funny, I go to a church that I would just love for you to stop by and talk with our congregants during coffee hour.
It's an eclectic mix, very astute, most of whom are "recovering" from the very kind of background that you eschew.
They are bright, worldly, educated, decent, kind people who just refuse to buy some party line that to them, just doesn't make sense.
A great many of them are professors at a local college, and they would unlike me, dispense with most of your nonsensical discussion woth aplomb.....quite a few of them are religious scholars, some even previously clergy from other faiths, one a Buddhist, who teaches religion at the college.
And he's just an all 'round nice guy who is comfortable in who he is in life and in his faith. He does not try to shove his beliefs down my throat, or tell me how my life mirrors his concept of how the world really is, dismissing out of hand my personal faith and beliefs.
He is honestly happy for me that I have found comfort, solace, and most importantly, ACCEPTANCE of my quest for faith and spirituality at our church.
Please respect my faith and my belief that I'm not that arrogant to believe that each and every thing that I do is carefully watched and guided by my God.
I believe that He gave me free will, and lets me run with it to prove my own worth by trying my best to understand and live, the way that He would have me live.
And that He is forgiving, and loving, and that I will not burn in Hell because I cussed out another driver who cuts me off and scared the crap out of me.
He gave me sense, and a clue, so that I can, and do, understand the vagaries of what man does with his free will, and all too often, it's not good.
When you spout your zealous views to make it sound like there is some grand scheme that has people trying to have a sensible discussion with you, to no avail, and with much frustration, it is NOT necessarily all some obtuse, intricate plan to prove your worth in God's eyes.
But you are completely unwilling to even consider that possibility.
Hence my comment about your arrogance.......you are just NOT that important.....once again, MY opinion, but I'm sure one that is shared by others.
Were that MY particular spin, I'd say God put you here to test my tolerance.....I know better.
I may be being tested for my tolerance, but I am QUITE sure God didn't put you in my life for that purpose.....I think he's probably got more important things to do.
I mean you no ill will, but you frustrate me so badly it makes we want to resort to telling you I think you're an idiot......which is neither loving or considerate.
Maybe that is a test....I am honest and intelligent enough to say that I don't know.....and that is knowledge, to admit that you don't know.
I feel that I know of God in my life.....I have what passes for evidence, but I don't KNOW.
That's why it's called FAITH.....belief that is not based on proof.
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05/16/2008 08:07:45 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by jhonan:
This is funny. By even replying to any of your posts it proves that there's a god. |
Umm...no, it doesn't.
Make whatever leap you want in your own mind, just don't offer it up as fact. |
You replied! -> You have a brain! -> god created your brain! -> god exists! ;-) |
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05/16/2008 08:10:49 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by jhonan:
This is funny. By even replying to any of your posts it proves that there's a god. |
Umm...no, it doesn't.
Make whatever leap you want in your own mind, just don't offer it up as fact. |
You replied! -> You have a brain! -> god created your brain! -> god exists! ;-) |
Reading some of the posts here, I think the first step is suspect. ;)
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05/16/2008 08:24:09 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Make whatever leap you want in your own mind, just don't offer it up as fact. |
Originally posted by jhonan:
You replied! -> You have a brain! -> god created your brain! -> god exists! ;-) |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Reading some of the posts here, I think the first step is suspect. ;) |
AMEN! ROFLMAO!!!!
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05/16/2008 08:25:16 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by 777STAN:
I understood that I was a sinner by nature and by choice, totally depraved and unable to make myself worthy of Heaven in any part. |
At six?
This is a fundamental problem I have with all too many sects.
What sort of good and loving God would have his children believe this?
The God of my understanding has me believe in, and act accordingly toward, the inherent worth and dignity of every human being.
He, or she, also has me believe that it is not my place to decide who needs to be saved, or not.
Respect for others' feelings, beliefs, and ways go a long way towards loving relationships with your fellow man.......and that's the guidance I get. |
Your fundamental problem, as evidenced in this post, is you believe that YOU create God. God created you.
There is inherent worth and dignity in every human being. But we choose to set it aside by living sinful lives and turning our back on God. What he learned and grasped at six IS THE TRUTH. No matter how much you want to wish it away and create your own reality.
No, it's not your place to decide who needs to be saved -- that has been decided. WE ALL NEED TO BE SAVED. Some have just accepted that free gift from God in the shed blood of His Son Jesus Christ.
Others will scoff and mock and that is the freewill choice God has allowed them. What good is love if it is forced? So God offers a lifeline and some accept it. Others will not and will die in their sins and spend eternity apart from our gracious, loving Father.
There is no such thing as a dead atheist.
EVERY knee will bow. EVERY tongue will confess. Jesus Christ is LORD! Everyone will do it from their chosen place of eternity. Hell or Heaven.
Message edited by author 2008-05-16 08:29:19.
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05/16/2008 08:47:49 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
So God offers a lifeline and some accept it. Others will not and will die in their sins and spend eternity apart from our gracious, loving Father.
There is no such thing as a dead atheist.
EVERY knee will bow. EVERY tongue will confess. Jesus Christ is LORD! Everyone will do it from their chosen place of eternity. Hell or Heaven. |
So tell me, person A leads a good life - is kind and generous, and looks after the needs of others before their own, They live their life according to their principle of always choosing to act for the good of others, but they do not beleive in God. Person B is a devout Christian, attends church every Sunday and are zealous in praise of their Lord, yet they are also mean and unkind to others (and I am not implying any one here fits that bill). Both die, and it turns out that Person B was right and indeed the God of Christianity did exist - who goes to Heaven? |
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05/16/2008 08:48:34 AM · #70 |
Someone on this thread has made a spurious and unfounded claim:
[user]Louis[/user], Saturday was named after the FATHER of Zeus (Jupiter): Saturn (Kronos).
and btw, isn't it an amazing coincidence that the Roman Empire just happened to start around 0 AD as well? Hmm... how could that be... |
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05/16/2008 08:50:37 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
There is no such thing as a dead atheist. |
There's no such thing as a dead theist either. Once your brain stops functioning, you lose the capacity to believe (or disbelieve) in anything. On the plus side, we'll all finally be free of this incessant proselytization. |
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05/16/2008 09:06:50 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
So God offers a lifeline and some accept it. Others will not and will die in their sins and spend eternity apart from our gracious, loving Father.
There is no such thing as a dead atheist.
EVERY knee will bow. EVERY tongue will confess. Jesus Christ is LORD! Everyone will do it from their chosen place of eternity. Hell or Heaven. |
So tell me, person A leads a good life - is kind and generous, and looks after the needs of others before their own, They live their life according to their principle of always choosing to act for the good of others, but they do not beleive in God. Person B is a devout Christian, attends church every Sunday and are zealous in praise of their Lord, yet they are also mean and unkind to others (and I am not implying any one here fits that bill). Both die, and it turns out that Person B was right and indeed the God of Christianity did exist - who goes to Heaven? |
Jesus said "I am THE Way, THE Truth, THE life. No man comes to the Father, but by Me." -- Clearly the Christian goes to Heaven as he chose to accept Christ as Savior.
HOWEVER, he will be rewarded based on his actions here on earth. Works cannot get you into Heaven, but are a loving response to God's love for you.
I will say that someone like in your example would doubtfully be a true Christian, although it's possible to be such. Going to church is helpful in building fellowship and worship, but does not get you in to Heaven (like many in church think). If they are mean and unkind to others, they are not demonstrating the fruits of the Spirit and their true conversion and repentence is doubtful -- at least on the surface.
But the person who thought they were doing good and was kind and generous would die separated from God, because the only Way to Him is through Christ Jesus. You are never good enough to buy your way into Heaven. Because what we would see as "good", there is still sin in their lives. It's that sin that keeps them from God.
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05/16/2008 09:08:40 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Someone on this thread has made a spurious and unfounded claim:
[user]Louis[/user], Saturday was named after the FATHER of Zeus (Jupiter): Saturn (Kronos).
and btw, isn't it an amazing coincidence that the Roman Empire just happened to start around 0 AD as well? Hmm... how could that be... |
There was no 0 AD. When the numbering changed, we started at 1 A.D. Decades, centuries, and millenia run from 1-10, 1-100, 1-1000 respectively. So many screwed this up by "ringing in the new millenium" on 1/1/2000 when there was another whole year to go.
The year before 1 AD is 1 BC.
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05/16/2008 09:09:49 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
There is no such thing as a dead atheist. |
There's no such thing as a dead theist either. Once your brain stops functioning, you lose the capacity to believe (or disbelieve) in anything. On the plus side, we'll all finally be free of this incessant proselytization. |
I'm sorry you choose to be wrong on this subject.
And yes, you will be free of "this incessant proselytization" because after you die, it's too late. But you will weep if you choose to be apart from God.
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05/16/2008 09:12:54 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
and btw, isn't it an amazing coincidence that the Roman Empire just happened to start around 0 AD as well? Hmm... how could that be... |
The end of the Roman republic and the beginning of the Roman empire is commonly pegged at 30BC, for what that's worth...
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