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05/12/2008 01:57:59 AM · #1 |
I just noticed that challenge results now tell you what the average vote for challenge participants and non-participants is now. That may have been around a while, but I just noticed it. I think this is great for answering the age old question of whether or not you should be allowed to vote in a challenge you entered. I have yet to see one that the particpants voted higher than the non-particpiants (edit to add, I just found the first one where the averages were inverted), though most differences are close, some have been as high as a half a point.
Very interesting in my opinion.
Message edited by author 2008-05-12 02:00:30.
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05/12/2008 02:12:42 AM · #2 |
I think I saw two in my entries where the participants score my entry higher and was marginal. (Like 0.1 or 0.2). In many cases the non-participants voted about 0.4 - 0.6 higher.
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05/12/2008 02:12:43 AM · #3 |
I just looked at the top 11 finishers in Every Picture Tells A Story and each one except for the blue ribbon winner had a significant difference between the participants and non-participants averages. That is the non-participants scored their photos significantly higher (around .2-.5 points higher) than the participants in the challenge. The blue ribbon winner had a very negligble difference of .04. It would be interesting to know how many total votes make up each of those averages.
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05/12/2008 02:14:01 AM · #4 |
It would also be interesting to see the average for each challenge of participants vs non-participants.
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05/12/2008 02:16:08 AM · #5 |
I've yet to see a photo with a higher participants average. It seems the non-participant average is always higher.
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05/12/2008 02:16:52 AM · #6 |
| What I would be interested in seeing, in each member profile, is the average vote cast as a participant and not as a participant. That would be rather telling. |
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05/12/2008 02:22:16 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
What I would be interested in seeing, in each member profile, is the average vote cast as a participant and not as a participant. That would be rather telling. |
It would be interesting, but I suspect would also lead to witch-hunts and village burning! It might be quite good if each individual had their split visible, but only to themselves; that way those who subconsciously vote lower would have it drawn to their attention. |
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05/12/2008 02:27:53 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
What I would be interested in seeing, in each member profile, is the average vote cast as a participant and not as a participant. That would be rather telling. |
LOL. Yeah that would be interesting. I'm guessing I might have a higher non-participant average. I know when I have brainstormed for challenges in the past whatever ideas I've discard as being too cliche and thus shoot something else, I am more critical of during the voting period if I see them entered. Usually those shots have to be extremely well done to get over the hump of my bias to get a great score.
What I would like to know is how many votes is the non-participant average based on. Is it more like the non-camera vote where the average is only based on a few votes? If not then the non-participant average would probably hold more meaning to me then even my final score.
Message edited by author 2008-05-12 02:31:07.
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05/12/2008 02:39:03 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Trinch:
What I would be interested in seeing, in each member profile, is the average vote cast as a participant and not as a participant. That would be rather telling. |
LOL. Yeah that would be interesting. I'm guessing I might have a higher non-participant average. I know when I have brainstormed for challenges in the past whatever ideas I've discard as being too cliche and thus shoot something else, I am more critical of during the voting period if I see them entered. Usually those shots have to be extremely well done to get over the hump of my bias to get a great score.
What I would like to know is how many votes is the non-participant average based on. Is it more like the non-camera vote where the average is only based on a few votes? If not then the non-participant average would probably hold more meaning to me then even my final score. |
I am not a rocket scientist but I would conclude that the number non-participant voting average is based on the amount of people that voted for the picture that didn't have a photo in the challenge. That could be as little as 0 (if everyone that voted had an image in the challenge) or as high as as many votes as you received (if everyone that voted didn't have an image in the challenge).
Yeah, I think that is a reasonable assumption.
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05/12/2008 03:46:02 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by yanko:
[quote=Trinch] What I would like to know is how many votes is the non-participant average based on. Is it more like the non-camera vote where the average is only based on a few votes? If not then the non-participant average would probably hold more meaning to me then even my final score. |
I did a quick survey of a couple of my entries and found its about even - in the free studies and large challenges you'll have more paticipant voters than not - but mostly it's the other way around. |
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05/12/2008 10:12:47 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by yanko:
What I would like to know is how many votes is the non-participant average based on. Is it more like the non-camera vote where the average is only based on a few votes? If not then the non-participant average would probably hold more meaning to me then even my final score. |
The numbers are there to figure it out and the math is rather simple. Take my latest submission:
Avg (all users): 6.1234
Avg (participants): 5.8986
Avg (non-participants): 6.3059
Votes: 154
The formula is:
Total Avg = (participant avg * percent of participants) + (non-part avg * percent of non-part)
Let x = the percent of participant voters, then (1-x) is the percent of non-participant voters.
6.1234 = (5.8986 * x) + (6.3059 * (1-x)) Solve for X
6.1234 = 5.8989x + 6.3059 - 6.3059x
0.407x = 0.1825
x = 44.85%
So in my case...
44.85% (69 votes) were from participants and
55.15% (85 votes) were from non-participants.
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05/12/2008 11:00:34 AM · #12 |
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05/12/2008 11:27:32 AM · #13 |
Attention SC:
Using a current challenge (Sun in Frame) as an example, my voting statistics show:
Stats: You have rated 160 of 160 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.8125. *
Would it be possible to keep these stats -- or at least the average given -- after the challenge closes? It wouldn't have to be public, but I'd like it for my own reference.
Thanks for considering the idea,
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05/12/2008 11:31:50 AM · #14 |
PS: Benjamin and others, here is another thread about the new stat.
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