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05/09/2008 09:14:55 AM · #1 |
Here's my first suggestion for a challenge. I skimmed the other suggestions and didn't find anything like what I'm about to suggest.
Straight from the camera. No post processing at all, in camera or out. Zero, zip, nada. Just like the good ole days.
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05/09/2008 09:26:54 AM · #2 |
| The type of challenge you are referring to used either minimal editing, or straight from the camera. We have had a few of those in the past, but the challenge wasn't called that. One in particular was called trees, but the editing rules were minimal editing, meaning you could only sharpen using the auto sharpen,only. Anyway, there was also a few challenges that used straight from the camera, but they were not called that. Can't remember what they were. |
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05/09/2008 09:27:21 AM · #3 |
| We have had a couple of minimal pp challenges - Trees was one, Bugs (or something like) another, where the only pping allowed was smart sharpen, not even a crop or rotate. I would love another! |
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05/09/2008 09:30:44 AM · #4 |
Yeh, I think it is time to have another straight from the camera or minimal editing challenge. I do love that kind because it is what I do best. No cropping, meaning you have to really understand composition, and no contrast adjustments or sat, which means we can go without all that extreme saturation that occurs in so many challenges. Of course, I have been reviewing the wonders of polarizers, so I would most likely use one for a straight from the camera challenge.
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05/09/2008 09:51:44 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
No cropping, meaning you have to really understand composition, and no contrast adjustments or sat, which means we can go without all that extreme saturation that occurs in so many challenges. Of course, I have been reviewing the wonders of polarizers, so I would most likely use one for a straight from the camera challenge. |
You usually crop in order to improve composition, don't you?! I do, and composition I'd say is one of my strong points!!! As for polarizer's, they increase saturation, so you're only substituting one method of boosting colours for another!!! Also, why's is it alright to add an effect with a filter and not with software??? If its going to be straight out of the camera, why not ban any pp including also, the use of filters. Another thing, not many folk on here will have the means to buy filters - it therefore isn't very equitable! Lets make it a level playing field for everyone.
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05/09/2008 09:55:42 AM · #6 |
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05/09/2008 10:47:03 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Magno:
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
No cropping, meaning you have to really understand composition, and no contrast adjustments or sat, which means we can go without all that extreme saturation that occurs in so many challenges. Of course, I have been reviewing the wonders of polarizers, so I would most likely use one for a straight from the camera challenge. |
You usually crop in order to improve composition, don't you?! I do, and composition I'd say is one of my strong points!!! As for polarizer's, they increase saturation, so you're only substituting one method of boosting colours for another!!! Also, why's is it alright to add an effect with a filter and not with software??? If its going to be straight out of the camera, why not ban any pp including also, the use of filters. Another thing, not many folk on here will have the means to buy filters - it therefore isn't very equitable! Lets make it a level playing field for everyone. |
Yes you do crop to improve composition, but in a straight from the camera shot you have to create based on what you are looking at, viewing all the corners, the background, the horizon line, etc, which causes you to really review what you are taking. It really makes you see compositionally all the rules right from framing, which will only improve your skills at composition as you take more pictures. The truth is that the less you crop, the better your detail. If you compose accurately from the camera, no details will get jagged or off focus as you crop because you get to keep the entire compostion. As to polarizers, I also have a vivid color setting in my camera. I will use some form of added color, whether with my camera color balance or a filter. Either way, if you got the opportunity to add additional color and contrast and sharpness with your camera settings, you should be able to use them. |
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05/09/2008 11:00:32 AM · #8 |
| I like all the ideas but i'm asking for zero processing, not even in camera. Remember film cameras? How many adjustments could you make in-camera? Shutter speed and aperture and maybe exposure compensation but that's it. That's what I was going for with this suggestion. No colour adjustments, no sharpening. This will also give us a chance to see the real quality of all the different cameras and lenses we use. I think this would be interesting to see. |
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05/09/2008 11:01:32 AM · #9 |
| I have no right to tell Magno what to do. Obviously with a portfolio and scores like his, and my miserable one, I should not have said anything. Sorry Magno. |
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05/09/2008 11:05:36 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I like all the ideas but i'm asking for zero processing, not even in camera. Remember film cameras? How many adjustments could you make in-camera? Shutter speed and aperture and maybe exposure compensation but that's it. That's what I was going for with this suggestion. No colour adjustments, no sharpening. This will also give us a chance to see the real quality of all the different cameras and lenses we use. I think this would be interesting to see. |
I am not sure I could take a picture without some sort of in camera adjustment. I mean, yes, I could just take an auto shot and leave everything up to the camera. Besides, how can you prove that a person did not do some sort of additional contrast, white balance, or sharpness adjustment? That gives me an idea. I will start a new thread of just one type of shot, and see what we can do. I think I will start with aperture priority. |
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05/09/2008 11:15:03 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
I have no right to tell Magno what to do. Obviously with a portfolio and scores like his, and my miserable one, I should not have said anything. Sorry Magno. |
No no. You are allowed to disagree with everyone on this site including (and some times especially) site council. I think we had a bit of a digression from what you were saying though which is: compose the shot and show to us as it was in the camera. Cropping of course enhances your composition. If you aim to get it right in camera, you have to slow down and think about your shot more.
As Man_Called_Horse pointed out we have had a few challenges under the Minimal editing ruleset. I'm not sure why it was abandoned/put on hold but I'd like to have another hand at it.
Message edited by author 2008-05-09 11:15:40.
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05/09/2008 11:22:01 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
I have no right to tell Magno what to do. Obviously with a portfolio and scores like his, and my miserable one, I should not have said anything. Sorry Magno. |
you've got every right, don't be afraid to speak your mind, and certainly don't assume your portfolio to be any less worthy than mine. I've only been doing this photography lark for a year, so you've probably got much more knowledge and experience than I have! ;-) We all have an equal voice and its good to have a discussion on things like this issue. Anyway, keep up the good work and don't sell yourself short, you've got some good stuff in that portfolio of your's. |
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