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05/01/2008 02:09:35 PM · #51 |
| Is there a way to make it blank? I know if you leave it empty it puts "untitled" |
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05/01/2008 02:11:31 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
Bear how big is your head, how do your store all that information........... |
Google is his friend. ;) |
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05/01/2008 02:12:48 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Jedusi:
Originally posted by FourTDSean:
If the mona lisa was called "dude dressed in drag" would it have been any less of a painting? |
I think this is an excellent question.
Would it have been less of a painting ? Technically - no. Not in terms of pigments, shape, light, shade etc.
In terms of viewer empathy and understanding of the image ? well the title would completely transform the viewers experience of looking at the same piece of artwork.
Because now the viewer would now look at the image in a different light. Instead of a simple descriptive title referring to the wife of a wealthy Florentine Silk Merchant, you would now have a title with a much more casual tone and the direct statement that you are being presented with a man dressed as a woman.
Some people may then be intrigued by this title - some may be put off by it.
Titles can have a direct influence on how we understand the visual information presented to us. |
It may be worth noting that "Mona Lisa" hangs in the Louvre with this title: "Portrait of Lisa Gherardini, wife of Francesco del Giocondo". It has been popularly known by two names ΓΆ€” "Mona Lisa" (Mona is a contraction of madonna, Lisa is the model's name) and "la Gioconda", a pun on her married name and the idea of "jovial lady". People seem to have had a habit of trying to "name" (or title) this work for a long time.
R. |
For anyone wondering where the title 'Mona Lisa' may have come from . .
"The painting's title stems from a description by Giorgio Vasari in his biography of Leonardo da Vinci published in 1550, 31 years after the artist's death. "Leonardo undertook to paint, for Francesco del Giocondo, the portrait of Mona Lisa, his wife"
However none of this changes the original question that if the painting was retitled 'Dude dressed in drag" would it be less of a painting :- )
Message edited by author 2008-05-01 14:13:30. |
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05/01/2008 02:48:06 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
Is there a way to make it blank? I know if you leave it empty it puts "untitled" |
Just put a space. As long as you've used some form of keyboard stroke it will recognise it.
eta; I used that method once on this;
Just reread the comments and one asked, "And the title is?" while another mentioned that they liked the lack of title. Just goes to show...
Message edited by author 2008-05-01 14:52:40. |
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05/01/2008 02:49:04 PM · #55 |
 Jedusi, yes. Wonder why I didn't see that; certainly this is a case of being seriously offput by a title. So, is it a futile effort to try to separate the photo from its title? When the brain is involved in visual work, the language part is in abeyance - when I am photographing or drawing I cannot converse - I might hear, but to speak I would have to stop focusing or drawing.
Sometimes I can come up with a title, or the title pops into my head (better), but other times I just give it a simple tag- title either deliberately to understate my case or for want of something better. My real wonderment is how indicative the-coming-up-with-a-title is of the photograph's integrity. Maybe titling is like writing: often if you really have something to say the words come, other times it is just sound and fury signifying nothing.
(Just pondering). |
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05/01/2008 03:18:37 PM · #56 |
The revelation that nearly everyone has a different opinion is shocking! Or has a concensus been reached and I missed it? Is someone keeping score?
...and the OP went on vacation. or prison. or something.
-Snarky <--- my "title" today
:-) <--- Not part of my title |
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05/01/2008 03:21:33 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
The revelation that nearly everyone has a different opinion is shocking! Or has a concensus been reached and I missed it? Is someone keeping score?
...and the OP went on vacation. or prison. or something.
-Snarky <--- my "title" today
:-) <--- Not part of my title |
You missed it. And it was a tie. Though I guess that means we go into overtime... |
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05/01/2008 04:03:57 PM · #58 |
No, i didn't go on vacation. I posted that late at night and then was at work :)
You know when you generally don't have a great day, and then something just kinda sets you off? Yeah, that was me last night. First off,my conclusion is this:
I will either (a): put more thought into my titles or (b): leave them untitled
Secondly, a PM to the commenter questioning the comment may have been better suited, however I was unsure of the rules about identifying myself during voting.
In the end, I'm glad to see such a popular discussion regarding commenting
P.S. I still want to clear up that my title could in no way be viewed as offensive, insensitive, or rude. If anything just kinda stupid and non-creative. |
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05/01/2008 04:20:54 PM · #59 |
| I think titles are a funny thing. When we did our student art shows in college all of our stuff had to have some sort of title. To me it was hard enough producing a work of art then naming it to please the viewer who may not know much about my particular piece. I had a friend who did all self portraits and everyone was named self portrait1, self portrait 2, etc. There were also a lot who just put untitled and some people thought they were lazy for doing that. To me the titles are pointless unless it is needed to help explain the piece, like with abstract art. For example a Pollock, it would help to read the title of his work in order to get a better idea of what the thought was behind his work. If he just painted still life's of fruit, there would be no need for a title. I guess my point is, you can put a lot of thought and effort into something like a title, or no effort at all and you still won't be able to please everyone. |
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05/01/2008 04:28:05 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by cjoconn22:
Secondly, a PM to the commenter questioning the comment may have been better suited, however I was unsure of the rules about identifying myself during voting. |
There are no rules regarding that and I will sometimes PM someone if they have left a comment that I want to respond to. They have already voted and I expect them to leave their rating as it is. It's not ok to do it in order to get people to raise your score. They likely wouldn't do that anyway. |
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05/01/2008 04:32:09 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by cjoconn22:
P.S. I still want to clear up that my title could in no way be viewed as offensive, insensitive, or rude. |
LOL - You underestimate the ease at which people are offended by seemingly innocuous words these days. ;-)
My advice would be to PM the person after the voting and just ask them politely to elaborate. Or just forget it and chalk it up to one person's opinion. Either way, IMO, the comment itself should be appreciated even if not agreed with.
Glad you're not in prison. :) |
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05/01/2008 04:35:30 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Jedusi, yes. Wonder why I didn't see that; certainly this is a case of being seriously offput by a title. So, is it a futile effort to try to separate the photo from its title? When the brain is involved in visual work, the language part is in abeyance - when I am photographing or drawing I cannot converse - I might hear, but to speak I would have to stop focusing or drawing.
Sometimes I can come up with a title, or the title pops into my head (better), but other times I just give it a simple tag- title either deliberately to understate my case or for want of something better. My real wonderment is how indicative the-coming-up-with-a-title is of the photograph's integrity. Maybe titling is like writing: often if you really have something to say the words come, other times it is just sound and fury signifying nothing.
(Just pondering). |
I think it is what has already been mentioned a number of times - a good title it is all part of the finished article. It gives a completeness to the presentation and invites the viewer to examine your picture the way you want it examined. This doesn't mean they can't choose to view it another way, or even disagree with you . . but at least you have laid out the invitation to see it the way you want it seen. |
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05/01/2008 05:01:53 PM · #63 |
I also belong to the camp of "title DOES matter". If I'm on the fence between scores, the title could be the deciding factor.
Originally posted by cjoconn22:
.....(a): put more thought into my titles or |
Great idea!
Originally posted by cjoconn22:
.....(b): leave them untitled |
Not so great.
"Untitled" to me always means "couldn't be bothered to think about it".
That's how I feel about it, and it makes no difference whether that assumption is right or wrong.
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05/01/2008 05:08:10 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
"Untitled" to me always means "couldn't be bothered to think about it". |
Since these are themed challenges, every entry automatically carries the title of the challenge, unless over-ridden by the photographer. |
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05/01/2008 05:09:25 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
The revelation that nearly everyone has a different opinion is shocking! Or has a concensus been reached and I missed it? Is someone keeping score?
...and the OP went on vacation. or prison. or something.
-Snarky <--- my "title" today
:-) <--- Not part of my title |
You missed it. And it was a tie. Though I guess that means we go into overtime... |
Then we have a penalty shoot out! And the Germans win.
Ah well. |
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05/01/2008 05:21:21 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Since these are themed challenges, every entry automatically carries the title of the challenge, unless over-ridden by the photographer. |
Oh really, now? 469 photos called "Free Study" - how thoughtful and original! |
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05/01/2008 06:45:30 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Since these are themed challenges, every entry automatically carries the title of the challenge, unless over-ridden by the photographer. |
Oh really, now? 469 photos called "Free Study" - how thoughtful and original! |
Well, that one isn't a "themed" challenge -- but this discussion comes up in conjunction with challenges overall, not just the FS ... |
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05/01/2008 07:51:48 PM · #68 |
I've gotten 4 comments on my entry...each telling me how bad it is! Worst thing to me is I submitted the wrong photo by accident. Looking for a self dq..but if not..I'll just take my bad score and live with it.
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05/01/2008 08:21:22 PM · #69 |
| I'm starting to think we should have a title-less challenge (where the titles are -hidden-) to see how people vote *heh* can we request challenges!? *LOL* |
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05/01/2008 08:49:08 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by raish:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
The revelation that nearly everyone has a different opinion is shocking! Or has a concensus been reached and I missed it? Is someone keeping score?
...and the OP went on vacation. or prison. or something.
-Snarky <--- my "title" today
:-) <--- Not part of my title |
You missed it. And it was a tie. Though I guess that means we go into overtime... |
Then we have a penalty shoot out! And the Germans win. |
I'd prefer Sudden Death. |
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05/01/2008 09:11:45 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I'd prefer Sudden Death. |
So would I.
On post, I let the title affect my vote. Yeah. And I vote by my personal tastes too... I don't apologize. And I comment and I don't care if you mark it helpful or not. Funny things is I've never received a negative e-mail concerning my comments. (though it wouldn't bother me.)
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05/02/2008 12:08:20 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
Is there a way to make it blank? I know if you leave it empty it puts "untitled" |
Just put a space. As long as you've used some form of keyboard stroke it will recognise it.
eta; I used that method once on this;
Just reread the comments and one asked, "And the title is?" while another mentioned that they liked the lack of title. Just goes to show... |
Yipe!
Actually, please don't do that! Having no title means there's no clickable link in places where the title is used as a link. That breaks certain things.
~Terry
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05/02/2008 12:27:43 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Yipe!
Actually, please don't do that! Having no title means there's no clickable link in places where the title is used as a link. That breaks certain things.
~Terry |
I noticed that when I went to get the pic number. Actually, I learned that trick in a thread! But nobody links to my pics anyway, so it doesn't matter, right? ;)
(I'll be good and not do it again, I promise!)
Message edited by author 2008-05-02 01:05:31. |
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05/02/2008 01:16:52 AM · #74 |
yeah I had this happen to me on my last free study challenge, my title was "Lost in Thought (candid)" and got this as a reply:
"It's great that you take candid photos, but putting that in the title makes me vote it lower. Try to keep it simple..."
Maybe you don't agree with my title, but should it really be scored lower because of it? I guess it's a matter of opinion, but my opinion is NO. As for the comment you recieved I saw no indication that they scored you lower for the title and I didn't find the tone to be rude either.
btw titled my photo the way I did because I was afraid people might think my subject had a boring pose, but I wanted to show that this was not a planned photograph.
Message edited by author 2008-05-02 01:26:54.
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05/02/2008 02:07:20 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
Maybe you don't agree with my title, but should it really be scored lower because of it? I guess it's a matter of opinion, but my opinion is NO. |
I vote YES. Actually for me, a bad title (like the one you mentioned) may not make me deduct points, but it will almost certainly stop me from bumping it up, which I frequently do. As others have mentioned, to some people (myself included), the title is part of the presentation and will be judged accordingly as a minor part of the overall entry.
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
btw titled my photo the way I did because I was afraid people might think my subject had a boring pose, but I wanted to show that this was not a planned photograph. |
Putting explanations in the title will only hurt your score, IMO. For me, they are at the top of my "Most annoying things in a title" list, along with putting in the FStop or shutterspeed or "handheld" or "straight from camera". That is what the notes section is for. |
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