Disqualified image .. not convinced!!

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/27/2008 09:03:19 PM · #1

Disqualified image .. not convinced!!

I came 10th on the Paranormal Challenge which was held recently.
I got disqualified for using the cloning tool to remove some minor hot pixels and sparks that appeared after adjusting the levels a bet to light the picture, the cloning wasnâ��t used to remove any object or to affect the composition in any way.

Here is the picture that I entered for the challenge

Here is a jpeg for the original picture

Can any one explain to me why this image was disqualified,
And let me quote this from the basic editing rules â��â�� spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels. â��â��

Thanks.

CEJ

Canon EOS-40D

04/27/2008 09:09:24 PM · #2

'and sparks' does not equal 'except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels.' Just a thought. What do I know?

Message edited by author 2008-04-27 21:11:28.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

04/27/2008 09:14:10 PM · #3

In your own words;

1- Open Raw.
2- White Balance to Shade in CS3.
3- Contrast.
4- Saturation.
5- Coloned couple of sparks.
6- Neat Image.
7- Crop.
8- USM.
9- Save for the web.

Basic editing rules:
You may not:

* spot-edit your entry, except to remove sensor dust or hot pixels

I hope this helps and I know it don't make you feel better. But IMO this is what caused your DQ.

Can you upload the raw conversion before the spot editing so we can see where you did your editing?

Message edited by author 2008-04-27 21:14:41.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

04/27/2008 09:14:10 PM · #4

1) Awesome picture
2) Just a few sparks is no biggie in the overall picture
3) Totally deserved the DQ.

aliqui

Nikon D300s

04/27/2008 09:26:07 PM · #5

I dunno. I would call sparks "hot pixels." Sounds to me like the rules need to be modified for clarity.

=)

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

04/27/2008 09:26:46 PM · #6

I guess if it were advanced editing, it may have counted the same as removing some telephone lines. But the rules is the rules. The lousy thing is if you had not mentioned it in your editing steps, nobody would likely have known.

KarenNfld

04/27/2008 09:29:40 PM · #7

Originally posted by aliqui:

I dunno. I would call sparks "hot pixels." Sounds to me like the rules need to be modified for clarity.

=)

Sparks in this case are definitely not hot pixels.

04/27/2008 09:29:42 PM · #8

Originally posted by SDW:

Can you upload the raw conversion before the spot editing so we can see where you did your editing?

Here is the original Jpeg converted from CR2 [thumb]673514[/thumb], as I couldn't figure out how to upload a CR2 format, it was refused.
I would really appreciate advice regarding what does Hot Pixels means if not sparks!!

And for DrAchoo, thanks for your comment but not sure how I totally deserved the DQ, this was the main question.
Thanks ..

04/27/2008 09:34:31 PM · #9

Originally posted by EL-GHOOL:

Originally posted by SDW:

Can you upload the raw conversion before the spot editing so we can see where you did your editing?

Here is the original Jpeg converted from CR2 [thumb]673514[/thumb], as I couldn't figure out how to upload a CR2 format, it was refused.
I would really appreciate advice regarding what does Hot Pixels means if not sparks!!

And for DrAchoo, thanks for your comment but not sure how I totally deserved the DQ, this was the main question.
Thanks ..

Just saying by your own admission you used the clone tool to clone out something other than a hotpixel or sensor dust. That is clearly against the rules. I know what you were going for, but the rules need to be as clear cut as possible. Not a hotpixel or sensor dust? Don't clone it.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 16-35 f/4 ED VR

04/27/2008 09:41:00 PM · #10

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

[quote=EL-GHOOL] [quote=SDW]

Just saying by your own admission you used the clone tool to clone out something other than a hotpixel or sensor dust. That is clearly against the rules. I know what you were going for, but the rules need to be as clear cut as possible. Not a hotpixel or sensor dust? Don't clone it.

Ok .. We are getting somewhere in here. So what you are saying is sparks are not hotpixel, if they are not, so what are they?
I really appreciate your time and comments,
Thanks.

LanndonKane

Nikon D800

04/27/2008 09:43:36 PM · #11

Hot Pixel

Olympus 7-14mm f/4.0 Zuiko Digital Zoom

04/27/2008 09:46:16 PM · #12

Originally posted by EL-GHOOL:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
[quote=EL-GHOOL] [quote=SDW]

Just saying by your own admission you used the clone tool to clone out something other than a hotpixel or sensor dust. That is clearly against the rules. I know what you were going for, but the rules need to be as clear cut as possible. Not a hotpixel or sensor dust? Don't clone it.

Ok .. We are getting somewhere in here. So what you are saying is sparks are not hotpixel, if they are not, so what are they?
I really appreciate your time and comments,
Thanks.

A hot pixel is when the sensor records something that isn't really there. A spark is something that existed in reality. A hot pixel is unlikely to "show up" when you work the processing. It will be blown no matter what.

I have the same issue with water drops on my lens. I've lost a fair amount of shots (for DPC purposes) when I'm shooting a waterfall at f/22 and 2 seconds. The spray can get waterdrops on the lens and they totally look like sensor dust. But are they? No. Therefore I can't clone them.

Man_Called_Horse

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

04/27/2008 09:47:26 PM · #13

sparks is considered part of the contrast. Light and Dark. Sparks qualify as....light.

a hot pixel is a mechanical/physical manifestation produced off of the sensor.

one2one

Olympus E-5

04/27/2008 09:50:58 PM · #14

I think the OP doesn't understand that a hot pixel is not a spark. You created the spark. A hot pixel is the result of a light gathering sensor element emitting more light than its neighbour, or something close to that. In other words you can say that the sensor in your camera is defective, although you won't see these hot pixels unless you use longer exposures and higher ISO speeds.

DPC lets you remove the hot pixels the camera created. But DPC does not let you remove sparks you created because Basic Editing rules apply to this particular challenge.

dsmil

Olympus E-510

04/27/2008 10:15:19 PM · #15

Top 10 finish is a big honor...glad to see the committee DQ's top 10ers who violate the sacred rules.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

04/27/2008 10:35:16 PM · #16

Sorry to hear of your DQ Ameedie.....I know it can be confusing especially across the different languages.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/27/2008 11:16:30 PM · #17

Hi Ahmee, sorry to hear of your DQ.

The link that [user]LanndonKame[/user] posted above is a great one, but to sum up, a hot pixel is a defect of a camera's sensor. They are pixels that will always appear bright (usually white, but sometimes red, blue or green) regardless of what was being shot. They are a camera defect, in other words, not something that would have been in your shot. The sparks are not "hot pixels" because they are something that was actually there in your scene.

I hope this clears up the confusion.

~Terry

04/27/2008 11:36:45 PM · #18

Well .. I think it was my mistake then,
no shame to admit,
and thanks for all who helped me to learn something new today, I appreciate it.
Now lets see how to win some challenges.
Thanks all again,
All the best,