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04/08/2008 08:32:00 PM · #1 |
Alot of people must be viewing the thumbnails, clicking on photos that catch their interest, but not voting for them.
The reason is, they don't want to invest their time in a challenge that may have as many as 500 submissions to vote.
Why not just let them vote without having to vote on 20% of the photos? I think you will get a more diverse voting audience and those who want to express their appreciation for a photo can do so without having to invest so much time in voting.
After all, I don't think someone clicks on a thumbnail to view a bad picture...only a quality photo that captures their eye. |
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04/08/2008 08:47:57 PM · #2 |
I know exactly how this will go, so be ready for all the "no's" and "I think the site is perfect the way it is".
Good luck to ya.
Barry where you at man?
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04/08/2008 08:49:27 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by dsmil:
Alot of people must be viewing the thumbnails, clicking on photos that catch their interest, but not voting for them.
The reason is, they don't want to invest their time in a challenge that may have as many as 500 submissions to vote.
Why not just let them vote without having to vote on 20% of the photos? I think you will get a more diverse voting audience and those who want to express their appreciation for a photo can do so without having to invest so much time in voting.
After all, I don't think someone clicks on a thumbnail to view a bad picture...only a quality photo that captures their eye. |
before i became a member i tried voting once...and I have to agree- having to vote on a TON of images really did make me go "OMG- I can't spend all day voting" - i did scan the thumbnails- but then i noticed that some images can look very quality in thumbnails and dissappoint you when you click on them :( -- having several days to vote helps immensely in the process of getting to approx 20% -- i think to make a good judgement call on voting one should take the time to look over the images, and as many as they can- afterall, in a beauty-pagent, the judges don't just look at three or four of the models and make their choices, they look at all of the models carefully and sometimes take more time on their top picks to narrow down their #1 choice #2 choice and #3 choice (1st second third and runner-ups) im not an 'expert' but- my opinion is that the 20% does filter out the less serious photo-critics, I would have probably clicked on the first few pages, voted on my top likes and then stopped there- not bothering to score the others at all, take into account that if everyone did that- -a lot- of work might not even get a 'glance' because of it being on the latter pages and some extremely high quality work might get overlooked! :( -- tho i know a lot of dpc'ers take the #'s very seriously, there is part of me that just says 'eh- the most important thing is that the photographer likes the image and that they get constructive critisisim on how to improve etc...' if i took pics for 100 years i still would feel like i'm in the learning stages because there are sooo many techniques out there- so many creative ways to look at things... looking at all of the images in a challange of 500 is a great thing to do when voting- not only do you get additional inspiration from other artists works- but you also get the opportunity to see through another photographers -eyes- for a little while... sure we don't always have the 'time' for voting up to 20+% but... if we didn't it would be a landslide in some cases without giving all of the art a fair chance at being 'seen'
i dunno, i kinda think its a good thing that there is a minimum, its not like you have to vote on all 500 pieces (though i've only been seeing entries inthe ballpark of 200 or so) i figured out that if i sit down for a little while in the evening, then go back and look over my initial votes with a fresh eye- i notice things i didn't see the 1st time, and it makes me look at the pieces individually - yet as a whole (if that makes any sense?)
sure you probably get some lazy people who just click randomly #'s while the images flash across their screen so they can get to the 20% because they already picked what they 'liked' but the more serious people who think through their votes take their time, and i think -those- votes are worth it (or more to the point those -comments- are worth it when they constructivly look over your piece of art and say what is on their minds) :)
just my 4cents worth of thought :) randomly...
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04/08/2008 08:51:38 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I know exactly how this will go, so be ready for all the "no's" and "I think the site is perfect the way it is".
Good luck to ya.
Barry where you at man? |
*LOL* i hope that's not how my post sounded :) -- though i don't think it would hurt to have an 'open voting' challenge here and there that people could enter along-side the other challenges... the site as a whole wouldn't have to be re-coded- just the specific voting % for that particular challenge... could be interesting to see what happens and if some pics get 0's or whatnot? :)
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04/08/2008 08:55:40 PM · #5 |
Agree. You should vote 100% or not at all.
Message edited by author 2008-04-08 20:55:55. |
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04/08/2008 08:55:46 PM · #6 |
The problem with the non-20% deal would be that there is always the possibility of people recruiting friends to vote on just their shot. You are much less likely to "friend-vote" on something where you have to vote on like 100. IMO, if anything were to be changed, the percentage should simply be dropped to maybe 15% or 10%, I think doing away with it would create some issues.
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04/08/2008 09:09:58 PM · #7 |
| Last night I was trying to get through 20% before cut-over but still evaluate them fairly. Then I thought, wait a minute, cut-over is Tuesday night, so I slowed down and spent more time on each one. Last I checked I had done 18%. After some more votes I got the "recalculating completed challenge" screen. When it came back I found none of my votes counted. I think the 20% (or more) rule is important because everyone votes on a different scale, and the more pictures you vote on the more the uneven voting pattern evens out. But it sure gets frustrating when you don't have time to vote 20% and it doesn't count. Hopefully some people got some benefit from my comments anyway. |
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04/08/2008 09:26:48 PM · #8 |
I agree that there needs to be a minimum, for reasons already stated by others. I do think the minimum could be lowered to perhaps 10% for large challenges. I prefer to do just my 20%, but comment on everything I vote on. Since it frustrates me to receive low votes with no explanation, I feel it is important to do this when I vote. It's really not difficult to vote 20% of even a large challenge, but if commenting, it's a real chore. With extra challenges running this past week, including a freestudy (which are always huge) I have had to just click and move on with some of them.
Message edited by author 2008-04-08 21:27:48.
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04/08/2008 09:28:23 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by dsmil:
Alot of people must be viewing the thumbnails, clicking on photos that catch their interest, but not voting for them.
The reason is, they don't want to invest their time in a challenge that may have as many as 500 submissions to vote.
Why not just let them vote without having to vote on 20% of the photos? I think you will get a more diverse voting audience and those who want to express their appreciation for a photo can do so without having to invest so much time in voting.
After all, I don't think someone clicks on a thumbnail to view a bad picture...only a quality photo that captures their eye. |
I almost always click on the images once through before actually voting. I want to get an idea of the variety in the challenge. Many do and that is one reason why you more views than votes. I would think that if there were no minimum people would only vote their favorites, 10's, and scoring would be skewed. As for expressing your appreciation for a photo you can always do that even if you do not vote. I believe comments stay even if you do not reach 20%, just the score is deleted.
And no DPC is not perfect but most of these issues have been well vetted before. |
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04/08/2008 09:33:59 PM · #10 |
I'd love to see the minimum amount of votes lowered - 10% maybe.
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04/08/2008 09:42:22 PM · #11 |
Let's Get Rid of the 20% Voting Rule
I agree raise it to 50%. |
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04/08/2008 09:43:59 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
... Barry where you at man? |
Watching American Idol... :-D
Originally posted by dsmil:
Alot of people must be viewing the thumbnails, clicking on photos that catch their interest, but not voting for them.
The reason is, they don't want to invest their time in a challenge that may have as many as 500 submissions to vote. |
Not necessarily. There can be several reasons to view the thumbnails and I'm sure some of those reasons will follow in this thread shortly. :-)
Originally posted by dsmil:
... After all, I don't think someone clicks on a thumbnail to view a bad picture...only a quality photo that captures their eye. |
So then you advocate voting from the thumbnails? Hand pick the "quality" ones, etc...?
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
I almost always click on the images once through before actually voting. I want to get an idea of the variety in the challenge. Many do and that is one reason why you more views than votes. |
Yep.
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
I would think that if there were no minimum people would only vote their favorites, 10's, and scoring would be skewed. |
Absolutely.
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
I believe comments stay even if you do not reach 20%, just the score is deleted. |
That's correct.
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
And no DPC is not perfect but most of these issues have been well vetted before. |
Can I get an Amen, and Hallelujah! That's the truth! :-P |
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04/08/2008 10:00:01 PM · #13 |
Well, before we change anything, maybe we could get some statistics from Langdon or the SC. Percentages of people voting different numbers. IE
10 percent, 20 percent, 30, 40,........90, 100.
Maybe it's been done already and I missed it. |
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04/08/2008 10:15:42 PM · #14 |
If I can't vote on all of the images in a challenge I don't vote on any. (But, I usually take the time to vote on all of them.)
Like everyone else, I have my own scale of voting... and it's fair across the board. So, each image I vote on is raised or lowered according to the same scale I have.
If I only vote on what I consider the best... and it's lower than someone else's scale, I've actually hurt their scores by voting on them. But, if I've done it to every image in the challenge on the same scale then I've affected each image in the same way so my lower (or higher) voting scale is still fair, I think then it doesn't matter in the entire challenge. Make sense?
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04/08/2008 10:16:01 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
And no DPC is not perfect but most of these issues have been well vetted before. |
Can I get an Amen, and Hallelujah! That's the truth! :-P |
Amen! Hallelujah! That's the truth! |
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04/08/2008 10:17:21 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
If I can't vote on all of the images in a challenge I don't vote on any. (But, I usually take the time to vote on all of them.) |
Amen! Hallelujah! That's the truth too! |
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04/08/2008 11:21:08 PM · #17 |
Sorry, but I truly am NOT in favour of this proposal.
Even at 20%, the largest of challenges would require one to vote on a paltry 100 images. When we consider that most challenges provide for a week of voting, this translates to slightly more than 14 votes per day.
I realize that we all have lives to lead, but this is not something that I find all that difficult to accomplish.
There are several other reasons why I would not like to see the system change, but I will let others address those.
Ray |
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04/08/2008 11:23:10 PM · #18 |
| I am not in favor of this either. Mainly because the 20% rule prevents cheaters from doing their biddings. |
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04/08/2008 11:41:08 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Let's Get Rid of the 20% Voting Rule
I agree raise it to 50%. |
:) If I didn't think I'd get stoned to death = I might agree with you :) *LOL* -but i'm not saying that i do... :) 'cuz i don't want to get stoned to death.... |
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04/09/2008 09:13:06 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I know exactly how this will go, so be ready for all the "no's" ... |
Here's one more: No. |
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04/09/2008 09:18:43 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Let's Get Rid of the 20% Voting Rule
I agree raise it to 50%. |
i second that |
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04/09/2008 09:19:08 AM · #22 |
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04/09/2008 09:37:58 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I know exactly how this will go, so be ready for all the "no's" and "I think the site is perfect the way it is".
Good luck to ya.
Barry where you at man? |
Oh, and be ready for  Dirt_Diver to jump on the bandwagon of this and any rule change you or anyone else proposes. He's been on this 'DPC is a disaster just the way it is' kick ever since his DQ back in December.
~Terry
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04/09/2008 10:02:20 AM · #24 |
Fine the way it is, but perhaps --
100 images or the number of entries, whichever is less.
and get rid of the percentage voting rule while still requiring a certain level of participation in voting.
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04/09/2008 10:41:36 PM · #25 |
Like that old saying goes... Don't judge a picture by its thumbnail.
a.Thumbnails are not the best indicators of a good picture.
b.The 20% probably scares off all those people who join in for a day and give out random votes with no rhyme or reason. I like the thoughtful voter rather then the 'ooh shiney' voter.
c.It's unfair to all those who enter. That's why there's such an effort to implement impartial and balanced voting, The names of participants are kept hidden, the thumbnails appear in random order. There have been a few debates to even stop showing thumbnails but they never gained momentum.
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