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05/01/2002 01:27:18 PM · #26 |
Found myself doing setups that I have never done before and am learning lighting techniques - or trying to. The present challenge took me 6 days to think of something I thought reasonable, then about 1 hour finding and preparing props and setting up between the showers then a further couple of hours getting shots.
Really enjoying the challenges of this site and being persistently pestered by 'her indoors' asking what's happening in the voting - this week has been low scoring and is gradually going down - had a good start but dropped a full point - I think I need to borrow that nurse again from David Ey! - I think it was David's.
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05/01/2002 01:59:03 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:
[Or it could just be they aren't really doing much to improve. Many people take horrible pictures for a lifetime because they don't care enough to learn how to do it better.
And I also love the description of getting the pizza picture with the dog - a lot of the time luck plays a big part too! But you can do more if you know how to use the luck you get.
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Gordon, I couldn't say it better myself. I just hope that I can develop into a better photographer and the only way any of us can do it is to listen to advise and put it into practice.
In reference to the second part I'm not sure if it was luck or a lot of stamina. I love my dog but he wasn't "disciplined" enough to take a dog obedience course. He really was kicked out on the first night. |
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05/01/2002 02:00:53 PM · #28 |
I think some of theese folks here are proving my point.
When I think of a "spark" or a "gift" I include the idea that there is a driving desire. Gordon talking about "devouring" every source of learning he could follows my point. The very word "devour" indicates a passion that goes beyond simply wanting to get some "attaboys" or to get a family picnic shot.
The other comments seem to follow that same vein.
I'll say one thing though. I'll take a modestly talented photographer with desire., passion and an wide open enthusiasm anyday over a lazy, cynical but technically superior photographer. :-) |
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05/01/2002 02:15:58 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I think some of theese folks here are proving my point.
When I think of a "spark" or a "gift" I include the idea that there is a driving desire. Gordon talking about "devouring" every source of learning he could follows my point. The very word "devour" indicates a passion that goes beyond simply wanting to get some "attaboys" or to get a family picnic shot.
Yup - I forgot to mention, public libraries are wonderful for this. easily 50% of the books I read were rubbish. Certainly not worth the $30 or $40 they were supposed to cost.
Perhaps we should start another thread with book recommendations or reviews.
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05/01/2002 02:24:06 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by hokie:
I'll say one thing though. I'll take a modestly talented photographer with desire., passion and an wide open enthusiasm anyday over a lazy, cynical but technically superior photographer. :-)
Amen, my thoughts exactly! |
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05/01/2002 03:25:34 PM · #31 |
| the one being voted on right now took the longest, about 4 minutes. i had to cook some soup |
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05/01/2002 03:55:09 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by clay:
the one being voted on right now took the longest, about 4 minutes. i had to cook some soup
tomato? |
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05/01/2002 04:19:22 PM · #33 |
| tomato soup is disgusting, i wouldnt touch the can. why not just buy a bottle of ketchup and water down a few squirts when you want some tomato soup? its the same goop |
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05/01/2002 04:47:17 PM · #34 |
that's exactly what I do. I carry a couple of packets of ketchup in my bag for just that purpose.
Originally posted by clay:
tomato soup is disgusting, i wouldnt touch the can. why not just buy a bottle of ketchup and water down a few squirts when you want some tomato soup? its the same goop
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05/01/2002 08:13:01 PM · #35 |
regarding having an innate 'good eye' and all that ...
it's true that talent exists in greater and lesser amounts. i dont think anyone would argue that.
but both gordon and mousie, to use your examples, have said many times on here that they shoot hundreds of pictures in preparation for each challenge. they work HARD on this, and when you play the odds like that, you increase your probability of getting something, no matter how good an 'eye' you have.
what is it they say? beginning photographers shoot a roll of film and hope that every shot is good, whereas experienced photographers shoot a roll and hope there is great shot on the roll.
mousie's most recent shot obviously didn't just 'happen.' that shot is as set up as they come. but it won. there was something about it people liked and it took off.
a lot of people don't take advantage of the number one advantage of digital: shooting tons of pics without penalty or waste.
all that aside, ironically my pic that did the best i spent the least amount of time/thought on. lol. however, it was 'set up' not 'found' : )
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05/01/2002 08:22:40 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
what is it they say? beginning photographers shoot a roll of film and hope that every shot is good, whereas experienced photographers shoot a roll and hope there is great shot on the roll.
I've seen it described even more extremely than that, beginners expect every shot to be good, and actually think they are.
Serious amateurs expect to get 1 or 2 good shots per roll. Folk like Ansel Adams are on record saying they would hope, in a really good year to get 2 shots they were happy with.
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05/01/2002 09:08:26 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:
I've seen it described even more extremely than that, beginners expect every shot to be good, and actually think they are.
Serious amateurs expect to get 1 or 2 good shots per roll. Folk like Ansel Adams are on record saying they would hope, in a really good year to get 2 shots they were happy with.
There's an short side-bar on a bulletin board where I work that has been cut from a National Geographic -- a NG photogrpaher takes something like 400 rolls of film with them on a shoot for a single article...
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05/01/2002 09:53:29 PM · #38 |
As a start towards a more involved reply to this question, please see
this page.
Comments very welcome
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05/01/2002 10:08:22 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:
As a start towards a more involved reply to this question, please see
this page.
Comments very welcome
I like all the details you give about each shot. I've been reading some books on photography, but most of them either cover the taking of the photo or the post-processing. It's nice to see a photo taken from an initial idea to finished piece.
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05/02/2002 06:26:44 AM · #40 |
gordon,
cool page, and thanks for the insight into your work-flow! These procedures and permutations are similar in nature and quantity to the gyrations I and I'm sure many others go through, and underscore what I wrote about taking hundreds of shots and choosing the best, as opposed to having one magical photo pop like Athena fully-formed from one's camera. I mean that *does* happen, but it's not a reliable technique or anything, not for most people.
dude, where do you get the time to not only take all these pics and post all over the forums, but also write all this other stuff? : ) : ) do have a job? : )
Originally posted by GordonMcGregor:
As a start towards a more involved reply to this question, please see
this page.
Comments very welcome
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05/02/2002 07:07:40 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
dude, where do you get the time to not only take all these pics and post all over the forums, but also write all this other stuff? : ) : ) do have a job? : )
Just don't sleep much :)
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05/02/2002 08:01:38 AM · #42 |
| I believe it. I'm impressed! |
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05/02/2002 01:20:37 PM · #43 |
Was going to reply here, but since it diverges quite a bit from the basic question.....
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