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03/28/2008 10:50:33 AM · #76 |
Point being not 1 person, or party for that matter is to blame for the national debt. there are so many people responsible for why our national debt is so high, but it seems a bit ignorant to hold a the republicans as the ones who are souly responsible.
No your wrong! (Simplified)the majority of this debt was rang up by one decision related to one party, and that was the decision to override the U.N.'s decision to not invade due to lack of proof. If this had been an approved invasion then the support would of substantially been divided.
Mind you...the Oil industry has made record PROFITS continuously through 8yrs. The Middle class US, and Iraq itself has suffered in the hands of a party bragging about democracy, but murdering two defense attorney's to the man that never stood a fair trial. He was charged with the murder of some 15 shites, how many has the US killed now? 200,000 or close to. |
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03/28/2008 12:10:02 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by DjFenzl:
There will always be explanations because this is actually fairly meaningless. It's 1 simple figure that throws everything else out that factors into the fluctuations in the national debt. |
Currently it's 13 simple figures. Rapidly approaching $10,000,000,000,000 though. |
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03/28/2008 01:24:31 PM · #78 |
Wow. It finally made it into RANT. I was expecting this days ago. ;)
(Even though the thread is only a day old.) |
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03/28/2008 03:30:00 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by _eug:
Wow. It finally made it into RANT. I was expecting this days ago. ;)
(Even though the thread is only a day old.) |
I am surprised it took this long as well, I've seen them go in 2 posts before.
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03/29/2008 12:45:51 PM · #80 |
The clean-up and reconstruction after Hurricane Katrina is another prime example of wasteful spending in government contracts. There's an interesting article about it here and some excerpts below:
Federal contracting regulations say that cost-plus-fixed-fee contracts give contractors "only a minimum incentive to control costs." The regulations allow for use of such contracts only when uncertain conditions make fixed-price contracts inappropriate, such as for research, study or "preliminary exploration," or for development and testing.
Scott Amey, general counsel for the Project on Government Oversight, an independent, nonpartisan government watchdog group, said he sees the heavy use of cost reimbursement contracts as "a big red flag."
"There's no incentive to save, and there's fewer things the government can do to recoup money that's misspent," Amey said.
Cost-plus contracts frequently have been used in the Iraq war and have been criticized by government auditors and others as being wasteful.
In March 2007, the House voted 347-73 to pass the Accountability in Contracting Act, which would restrict the use of cost-plus and no-bid contracts and require that overcharges of more than $10 million be disclosed to Congress.
The bill's sponsor is Rep. Henry A. Waxman, D-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
"The fact of the matter is, in recent years, we have had an enormous outpouring of money spent in Iraq, in homeland security, in dealing with Hurricane Katrina, and we have seen the same mistakes over and over again: no-competition contracts; cost-plus contracts," Waxman argued during the March hearing debate on the bill, which was referred to a Senate committee. "We have seen what the result has been: Wasted taxpayer dollars." |
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03/29/2008 12:52:09 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
You live in constant fear of invasion. You have to drive your car over dirt and rocks because there are no roads. Your air and water are polluted at will by anyone, with zero restriction. People die of spoiled food constantly, and are poisoned by excess pesticides on a regular basis. Planes fly every which way, colliding on a regular basis.
Your money is worthless because every community creates its own supply, to say nothing of 400% monthly inflation. Your working conditions are full of extremely dangerous threats. Not that any women or minorities are there, of course. There are no programs that help people buy their first homes, support research into new ways to protect human health, or discover better ways to protect the environment.
At the more local level, every minor fire burns the house down because there are no fire departments, criminals rule the streets universally, there are no parks or public pools, and no one has free access to books, videos, or the Internet at libraries.
Only the extremely rich can go to college, because there are no public universities or community colleges, and back at the federal level, there are no low-interest, long-term, relatively easily obtained student loans. Of course, only the extremely rich even qualify for college, because there are no public schools.
There is no one watching the borders to prevent criminals from coming in, and there's no one checking anyone before they buy whatever weapons they want (and there are no restrictions on what they buy, from machine guns to nuclear weapons). |
Sounds like a Republican's paradise... |
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03/29/2008 12:58:10 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by Cam:
Well i am not very happy with either party. I am sick of the war, I am sick of the recession and I sick of politics in general.
But if the Democrats want people like me to vote for them they better have better candidates then Hillary and Obama. Hillary makes me ill, and I just don't trust Obama.
So I would suggest the Democratic party to get some more viable candidates. And no, I am not a fan of McCain.
I guess I really don't like any of them, and that's a shame. |
Fair enough. But do you want the country to continue down the same path it's been on for eight years, or do you want us to have even the smallest opportunity to fix the mess and get us going in another direction? A vote for McCain or a vote for Obama. The choice is pretty simple, really. |
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03/30/2008 10:14:18 AM · #83 |
It would be even more interesting if it were scaled with a graph for GNP
and total population. But don't get me wrong, I'm pissed with the current administration. The Iraq expedition is a complete cluster-f*ck. Almost 2 trillion wasted on that, when we need it for more important issues. Were it not of 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq, the curve would have continued down from Bubba's administration.
Without scaling your graph, it just serves political ends, rather than being informative. |
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03/30/2008 10:20:23 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
But since it's one of their own, they give him a pass on all these issues. |
The really interesting thing is that the democrats, for the most part, gave him a pass too! Hillary voted to go to war in Iraq. So I damn sure don't want her in the White House. Again. |
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03/30/2008 10:30:56 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
It would be even more interesting if it were scaled with a graph for GNP
and total population. But don't get me wrong, I'm pissed with the current administration. The Iraq expedition is a complete cluster-f*ck. Almost 2 trillion wasted on that, when we need it for more important issues. Were it not of 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq, the curve would have continued down from Bubba's administration.
Without scaling your graph, it just serves political ends, rather than being informative. |
I agree with you that there is more than just this graph and that it does more to serve political ends than it does to inform. However, I don't know if, minus 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq, the graph really would have continued to decrease. GW campaigned on cutting taxes and "Spending" but never did the latter. I'm not an specialist in economics but if you decrease the amount you have coming in then you need to decrease the amount you have going out. What has GW cut in spending? I can't think of a single spending cut of significance. Once the war hit with the huge added expenditure then the tax cuts should have been repealed until the war was over and paid for. It just makes fiscal sense if you ask me.
Message edited by author 2008-03-30 13:54:01. |
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04/01/2008 11:34:24 AM · #86 |
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04/01/2008 11:41:47 AM · #87 |
So the media is responsible for the 3X increase in gas prices? The media is responsible for the sub prime fiasco? The media is responsible for the $12 billion per month spent in Iraq? The media is responsible for the explosion in the national debt?
Please.
I know you were probably making a little joke on this, but it always seems that when the news is bad, or things aren't going the GOP's way, they always blame the media.
And calling Fox News a news source is like calling Rush Limbaugh a journalist. ;-)
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