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03/27/2008 08:14:27 AM · #1 |
free online version of photoshop. 2gig of storage.
//www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9903446-7.html
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03/27/2008 08:26:53 AM · #2 |
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03/27/2008 08:46:57 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Very cool |
Is this standard wording?????
From the General Terms and conditions...
8. Use of Your Content.
Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed. |
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03/27/2008 09:02:47 AM · #4 |
just checked it out. It seems fairly cool ... basic stuff, but easy to understand ... nice layout
can't beat the price |
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03/27/2008 09:10:01 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Very cool |
Is this standard wording?????
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Nope...it's dangerous wording. |
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03/27/2008 09:14:38 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Arcanist:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Very cool |
Is this standard wording?????
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Nope...it's dangerous wording. |
Nope, it's pretty much required wording.
They don't own your content.
But if you put it somewhere where they are sharing it (the 'public' areas) then you have to give them rights to use it. Otherwise they couldn't legally let anyone see it (the 'public' areas is the key)
Just like the license you grant DPC, for the same reasons.
It also means if they use screenshots of their tools in marketing documents etc, they don't have to go find the owner of every thumbnail in the view
Message edited by author 2008-03-27 09:15:30. |
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03/27/2008 09:15:44 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
From the General Terms and conditions...
8. Use of Your Content.
Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed. |
Holy crap! I guess that means, for example, that they can use all or a portion of your shot in their brochures and you can't sue them, but it also sounds like they could turn it into a poster and sell it if they wanted.
Message edited by author 2008-03-27 09:17:54. |
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03/27/2008 09:19:11 AM · #8 |
Regarding the wording under "Use of your Content"
- It applies only to images that you make available in "publicly accessible areas"
- It seems to allow Adobe to use your materials for marketing, should they so choose
Essentially, be careful what you leave in publicly accessible areas of their site *if* you mind them using the materials for marketing purposes.
The model makes sense, Adobe will need to realize *some* benefit from making the service available, and the only real legal issues that might arise if they use your work is if that use conflicts with rights you've sold to another party... but then if you're selling your work, you are at a point where you are most likely not using an on-line version of PhotoShop. |
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03/27/2008 09:32:51 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Regarding the wording under "Use of your Content"
- It applies only to images that you make available in "publicly accessible areas"
- It seems to allow Adobe to use your materials for marketing, should they so choose
Essentially, be careful what you leave in publicly accessible areas of their site *if* you mind them using the materials for marketing purposes.
The model makes sense, Adobe will need to realize *some* benefit from making the service available, and the only real legal issues that might arise if they use your work is if that use conflicts with rights you've sold to another party... but then if you're selling your work, you are at a point where you are most likely not using an on-line version of PhotoShop. |
It is also basically the same legalese that dpc works under for images submitted here. I suspect Adobe just has it there in the same CYA way that DPC has. If you do a screengrab and use it - you'd need to license every thumbnail individually, otherwise. Also, you need such a license to be able to let anyone else see the content that's in the public areas, as you are publishing it. They couldn't have public areas, without such a license, somewhere. The DPC clause has tweaked down to 'just marketing' after a lot of ( probably specious ) complaint.
You hereby grant DPChallenge.com a nonexclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicensable (through multiple tiers) right to exercise any rights you have in the Member Information and Media, and otherwise to make use of the Member Information and Media (including publishing, disseminating, broadcasting, manipulating, reproducing, editing, translating, performing, modifying, or displaying any part of the Member Information) and/or Media alone or as part of other work in any form, media, or technology whether now new known or hereafter developed, to enable DPChallenge.com to continue the specific operation or marketing of the site. This includes, but is certainly not limited to email "newsletters."
Message edited by author 2008-03-27 09:34:06. |
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03/27/2008 09:45:34 AM · #10 |
| Did it take a while for anyone else to get the confirmation email? Usually those things are instant but I'm not seeing it... |
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03/27/2008 09:47:29 AM · #11 |
about 7 minutes - ish
Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:
Did it take a while for anyone else to get the confirmation email? Usually those things are instant but I'm not seeing it... |
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03/27/2008 09:55:16 AM · #12 |
| It's been more than that, but I guess it's just slow ;) |
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03/27/2008 02:31:12 PM · #13 |
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03/27/2008 03:20:03 PM · #14 |
Well when I said very cool I meant it as people like my sister that does not have the hundreds of dollars to buy PS or LR or whatever else now has pretty much the same ability I have to edit photos. Granted the online version isn't image tweekable as the software but she doesn't know how to do what we do with photos. She put all her pictures online anyway and doesn't sell any of them so she could care less if someone else ahs rights to them. As a photographer I don't think I will be using it because I have the actual software and I require fine tuning but her... This is perfect for her.
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03/27/2008 10:16:11 PM · #15 |
Below is what the computer/technology site CNET had to say regarding the terms of use. They seem to think it is much worse than that of other photo sites.
But there's a policy pothole on the ramp that almost broke my axle: Adobe's claims on your publicly shared photos. From the Terms of Use:
Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.
In comparison, even Flickr's (now Yahoo's) TOU will relinquish its claim on your photos if you unregister from the site or make what was once public private. But "perpetual" and "irrevocable"? I'm going to give Adobe the benefit of the doubt and assume someone forgot to put the choke collar on the lawyers, letting something this heinous undesirable slip through. But I suggest avoiding making any albums public until this is changed. I'll update once I get some feedback from Adobe. |
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03/27/2008 10:18:53 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
It seems to allow Adobe to use your materials for marketing, should they so choose |
Shoot, if adobe wants to use my shots for marketing they are quite welcome to use it for free. I'd be honored to have my stuff on their ads.
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03/27/2008 10:23:17 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
...This is perfect for her. |
Actually..... I think there are better ones. When I read this thread this morning, I was all excited because I thought it might be the answer to my lessons (I teach basic photography to small groups of adults, and could never do a post processing class because I can't afford six licenses of CS3 or even Elements).
So today I started looking into this online option and found that there are several other similar ones available. Some of the others seem to offer a lot more than Photoshop Express.
My pick of the bunch so far (although it isn't entirely perfect, either) is Fotoflexer - perhaps you'd like to check that one out, too. |
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03/28/2008 12:29:28 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
...This is perfect for her. |
Actually..... I think there are better ones. When I read this thread this morning, I was all excited because I thought it might be the answer to my lessons (I teach basic photography to small groups of adults, and could never do a post processing class because I can't afford six licenses of CS3 or even Elements).
So today I started looking into this online option and found that there are several other similar ones available. Some of the others seem to offer a lot more than Photoshop Express.
My pick of the bunch so far (although it isn't entirely perfect, either) is Fotoflexer - perhaps you'd like to check that one out, too. |
Per your recommendation, I'm trying out fotoflexer. It works great with their samples (curves! Layers!), but when I tried to upload my own picture, it doesn't display it. Just a blank palette. I've tried Firefox and IE.
-Chad |
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03/29/2008 08:34:05 AM · #19 |
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03/29/2008 09:13:05 AM · #20 |
Those of you looking for a free, full-featured image-editing package should check out GIMP as well. It's completely free and very full-featured -- I put it somewhere between Elements and the full Photoshop in terms of the feature level. It's certainly going to offer you a world more functionality than Photoshop Express. User-friendliness is probably comparable to Photoshop.
To the extent I can, I'll be happy to help anyone who has questions about it -- feel free to PM me.
~Terry
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03/29/2008 03:19:50 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Regarding the wording under "Use of your Content"
- It applies only to images that you make available in "publicly accessible areas"
- It seems to allow Adobe to use your materials for marketing, should they so choose
Essentially, be careful what you leave in publicly accessible areas of their site *if* you mind them using the materials for marketing purposes.
The model makes sense, Adobe will need to realize *some* benefit from making the service available, and the only real legal issues that might arise if they use your work is if that use conflicts with rights you've sold to another party... but then if you're selling your work, you are at a point where you are most likely not using an on-line version of PhotoShop. |
It looks like this will be fixed:
Adobe joins list of companies not reading their own EULAs |
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03/29/2008 03:28:06 PM · #22 |
I dunno, I've stolen their software a few times - seems only fair that they steal my images ;)
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03/29/2008 03:40:24 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by cpurser:
Per your recommendation, I'm trying out fotoflexer. It works great with their samples (curves! Layers!), but when I tried to upload my own picture, it doesn't display it. Just a blank palette. I've tried Firefox and IE.
-Chad |
That's a shame, I wish I could offer solutions :-( I just tried it with both Firefox and IE, and both worked fine for me.
I'll cross fingers that you'll figure it out. |
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03/29/2008 05:00:47 PM · #24 |
| Hey, thanks for the heads up on this! This will be great for my buddies and I to share our photos with instead of e-mailing all the time! |
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03/29/2008 05:02:56 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
I dunno, I've stolen their software a few times - seems only fair that they steal my images ;)
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LOL! I got to legally "steal" it when I was in college. I asked if I still could since I was an alumni, they said no! At the price though, it would almost be worth signing up for a $400 class to get the newest version of PS! |
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