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03/18/2008 10:08:28 AM · #1 |
Run the poll again please.
Message edited by author 2008-03-18 10:08:51. |
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03/18/2008 10:50:48 AM · #2 |
| You can change your vote any time you like David, just click the little circle beside 'Clinton' and it'll move on over from Obama. |
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03/18/2008 11:02:34 AM · #3 |
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03/18/2008 11:35:14 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by jbpk11:
Go OBAMA! |
What he said. ;)
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03/18/2008 11:37:08 AM · #5 |
| McCain is the only logical choice. |
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03/18/2008 11:38:24 AM · #6 |
Too bad the Florida Primary votes aren't going to count. Same over in Michigan. The Primaries were run too early.
Democrat votes that is.
Message edited by author 2008-03-18 11:38:43. |
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03/18/2008 11:38:50 AM · #7 |
Fred Thompson was my only logical choice, but I guess we go for McCain now.
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03/18/2008 11:39:33 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Fred Thompson was my only logical choice, but I guess we go for McCain now. |
Very well said. It is a shame that his campaign never lived up to the expectations everyone had for it. |
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03/18/2008 12:10:07 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
McCain is the only logical choice. |
Yup, he's the only pro-torture candidate left now. |
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03/18/2008 12:16:46 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
McCain is the only logical choice. |
Yup, he's the only pro-torture candidate left now. |
...aaaaaaand we're in Rant.
~Terry
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03/18/2008 12:17:36 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
McCain is the only logical choice. |
Yup, he's the only pro-torture candidate left now. |
...aaaaaaand we're in Rant.
~Terry |
I heard he's a Nazi. ;-)
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03/18/2008 12:18:48 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
McCain is the only logical choice. |
Yup, he's the only pro-torture candidate left now. |
...aaaaaaand we're in Rant.
~Terry |
I heard he's a Nazi. ;-) |
You'll never get that Godwin's ribbon. Took far too many posts to get here :) |
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03/18/2008 12:19:08 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
McCain is the only logical choice. |
Yup, he's the only pro-torture candidate left now. |
You obviously don't have a clue when it comes to who McCain is or what he stands for. McCain has been against waterboarding and other types of torture. In fact read this exchange between McCain and Romney during a debate last year:
McCain: "Well, governor, I'm astonished that you haven't found out what waterboarding is." Romney: "I know what waterboarding is, Senator." McCain: "Then I am astonished that you would think such a – such a torture would be inflicted on anyone in our — who we are held captive and anyone could believe that that's not torture. It's in violation of the Geneva Convention."
Ignorance such as yours when it comes to the candidates makes me worry as November gets closer and closer. |
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03/18/2008 12:21:19 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
McCain is the only logical choice. |
Yup, he's the only pro-torture candidate left now. |
You obviously don't have a clue when it comes to who McCain is or what he stands for. McCain has been against waterboarding and other types of torture.
Ignorance such as yours when it comes to the candidates makes me worry as November gets closer and closer. |
I thought he used to be pretty clear cut on that particular issue too. His recent voting record is in direct conflict with his stated positions though, voting against restrictions on waterboarding. I realise he's just trying to get elected, politics making strange bedfellows and all. But I was surprised to see McCain caving and voting to allow things like waterboarding.
My ignorance shouldn't worry you. I don't get a say in who runs this country.
Message edited by author 2008-03-18 12:25:31. |
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03/18/2008 12:22:16 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
McCain is the only logical choice. |
Yup, he's the only pro-torture candidate left now. |
...aaaaaaand we're in Rant.
~Terry |
I heard he's a Nazi. ;-) |
Sorry. Quirk's Exception says that won't work.
~Terry
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03/18/2008 12:23:50 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
McCain is the only logical choice. |
Yup, he's the only pro-torture candidate left now. |
...aaaaaaand we're in Rant.
~Terry |
I heard he's a Nazi. ;-) |
Sorry. Quirk's Exception says that won't work.
~Terry |
Well, at least I crack myself up sometimes. :-D
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03/18/2008 01:42:51 PM · #17 |
Waterboarding is only used on the prisoners that we know have information, and when we use it we get information quick out of these people and save tons of American lives. We aren't just using it on the average POW, we only use it on big name people that have info we need.
Here is a hypothetical situation:
If one of your kids was kidnapped and you caught the guy that knew where they were. You knew that if you were to make him feel like he was dying then he would spill the information and tell you where your kid was so that you could save your kid and prevent him/her from getting killed. Are you saying that you wouldn't do it?
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03/18/2008 01:46:40 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Waterboarding is only used on the prisoners that we know have information, and when we use it we get information quick out of these people and save tons of American lives. We aren't just using it on the average POW, we only use it on big name people that have info we need.
Here is a hypothetical situation:
If one of your kids was kidnapped and you caught the guy that knew where they were. You knew that if you were to make him feel like he was dying then he would spill the information and tell you where your kid was so that you could save your kid and prevent him/her from getting killed. Are you saying that you wouldn't do it? |
there is an ongoing discussion about waterboarding already..do you really need to further derail this thread about the election? |
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03/18/2008 01:56:44 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Waterboarding is only used on the prisoners that we know have information, and when we use it we get information quick out of these people and save tons of American lives. We aren't just using it on the average POW, we only use it on big name people that have info we need.
Here is a hypothetical situation:
If one of your kids was kidnapped and you caught the guy that knew where they were. You knew that if you were to make him feel like he was dying then he would spill the information and tell you where your kid was so that you could save your kid and prevent him/her from getting killed. Are you saying that you wouldn't do it? |
The fallacy in the 'immediate threat' argument is that you don't get information that's useful. You'll get information, any information, just not useful or true information. There are techniques, other than torture, that have been shown to be more effective in these situations. Life isn't 24. |
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03/18/2008 01:57:43 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by frisca:
there is an ongoing discussion about waterboarding already..do you really need to further derail this thread about the election? |
Do you think the US use of torture isn't going to be a significant part of this particular election cycle ? |
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03/18/2008 01:58:30 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by frisca:
there is an ongoing discussion about waterboarding already..do you really need to further derail this thread about the election? |
I think starting another political thread is asking for "anything goes."
Originally posted by ryand:
Waterboarding is only used on the prisoners that we know have information, and when we use it we get information quick out of these people and save tons of American lives. We aren't just using it on the average POW, we only use it on big name people that have info we need. |
naïve: (1) marked by unaffected simplicity : artless, ingenuous
(2a) deficient in worldly wisdom or informed judgment; especially : credulous
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I heard he's a Nazi. ;-) |
//www.theonion.com/content/node/30691 ;-) |
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03/18/2008 01:59:53 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
The fallacy in the 'immediate threat' argument is that you don't get information that's useful. You'll get information, any information, just not useful or true information. There are techniques, other than torture, that have been shown to be more effective in these situations. Life isn't 24. |
Shoot, if someones hanging me underwater, I'm sure as heck gonna spill my guts. It's been proven to work. These people are trying to kill us, I'm not sure we should exactly give them the same rights that our citizens have anyways.
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03/18/2008 02:00:59 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by citymars:
naïve: (1) marked by unaffected simplicity : artless, ingenuous
(2a) deficient in worldly wisdom or informed judgment; especially : credulous
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That is a really weak argument, considering that it is a personal attack, rather than staying on subject. Thank you though for assuming I'm naive because I'm 16.
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03/18/2008 02:02:16 PM · #24 |
I'm done with this thread btw.
Message edited by author 2008-03-18 14:02:28.
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03/18/2008 02:02:27 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by frisca:
there is an ongoing discussion about waterboarding already..do you really need to further derail this thread about the election? |
Do you think the US use of torture isn't going to be a significant part of this particular election cycle ? |
Don't be obtuse, Gordon. The election is about many things, that does not mean this thread is a watershed. |
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