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03/13/2008 04:59:26 PM · #26 |
| Well thanks to everyone for the wonderful views. It would seem that no matter what the US GM does, we're all screwed no matter what we do. Lets all just take a minute to remember, that we all live in the same fish bowl. And no matter how much we hate each others governments, or even hate each other for being the can of beans labeled "American" or "English" or "Iraqi" or whatever, we're gonna be here a while. We might as well get along. Lets put away the nuclear weapons and play nice for a while. |
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03/13/2008 05:49:14 PM · #27 |
Cheer up, Richie. It's just politics. We all really do love each other, despite all the cussin' and spittin', because, yes, we ARE all in the same boat.
Governments and philosphies rise and fall. I love the U.S. and the core principals it was founded on and "stands for" ostensibly, and would defend her against her enemies, (even at my advanced age, wink). But anybody is delusional to believe USA-OK across the board.
That being said...I'll have to vote for the lesser of two evils. What is the alternative? We have a voice at the ballot box, but only one of millions, and the people will mostly have their way...however screwed up that might be.
Meanwhile, like a bumper stick I saw once said, "Make Money, Have Fun, Annoy A Liberal". HA!
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03/14/2008 08:45:47 AM · #28 |
Surely this isn't the end of this thread...
Surely there is other opinion or conclusions...
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03/14/2008 11:02:47 AM · #29 |
Someone bought that sticker? ... what a waste of the money they made =)
Originally posted by farfel53:
Meanwhile, like a bumper stick I saw once said, "Make Money, Have Fun, Annoy A Liberal". HA! |
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03/14/2008 12:39:03 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by TacTZilla:
As as resident of the UK, you could say this is none of my business and I'd probably agree.
It seems to me that the poll is lacking one option which would be 'None of the above'.
In fact I would really like it if all voting slips had that option in an election. I'm sure more people would vote and we'd get a much better idea of just how unpopular a given political party or candidate is, even if they were the 'winner' so to speak.
From what I have seen, Ron Paul looks like the only person who is likely to bring the USA back to a balanced position in the world.
If some politician over here said they were going to abolish income tax (like RP did), they'd be in power in a flash.
All the current candidates look like more of the same.
The definition of insanity is.....Doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Good luck USA. You are going to need it. |
I live in America. I do care who is elected. I'm going to write in Ron Paul as a matter of principal. I'm also very disappointed that the poll does not allow an option to support my viewpoint.
I wish that Americans were able to step back and see what's happening here from the perspective of foreigners. Sadly, this is unlikely, as we are enslaved by the corporate media. |
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03/14/2008 12:44:16 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by rox_rox:
I wish that Americans were able to step back and see what's happening here from the perspective of foreigners. Sadly, this is unlikely, as we are enslaved by the corporate media. |
There's nothing stopping you seeing the viewpoint of foreigners. But most people don't seem to care to look. |
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03/14/2008 01:04:01 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by rox_rox:
I wish that Americans were able to step back and see what's happening here from the perspective of foreigners. Sadly, this is unlikely, as we are enslaved by the corporate media. |
Deutsche Welle and BBC are excellent sources of news from a world perspective, and I also like The Globe and Mail. |
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03/14/2008 01:06:03 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by rox_rox:
I wish that Americans were able to step back and see what's happening here from the perspective of foreigners. Sadly, this is unlikely, as we are enslaved by the corporate media. |
There's nothing stopping you seeing the viewpoint of foreigners. But most people don't seem to care to look. |
Think of it as an addiction. A majority of Americans are consumed with consumerism, and have sold their souls to the companies who give them that fix. They are so entrenched in this credit based fiat economy that they can't imagine living in reality. So they keep rooting for the next smooth talker who promises them that everything is going to be peachy. Sure they have a choice, but just like drug or alcohol addiction they won't take it until they have hit rock bottom.
Hopefully, when that does happen Ron Paul and others who think like him will be there to help us through rehab.
Ron Paul on the economy.
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03/14/2008 01:09:16 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by rox_rox:
I wish that Americans were able to step back and see what's happening here from the perspective of foreigners. Sadly, this is unlikely, as we are enslaved by the corporate media. |
Deutsche Welle and BBC are excellent sources of news from a world perspective, and I also like The Globe and Mail. |
The Australian Age also gives a different twist on things. Or you could read Al Jazera. |
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03/14/2008 01:12:58 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by rox_rox:
I wish that Americans were able to step back and see what's happening here from the perspective of foreigners. Sadly, this is unlikely, as we are enslaved by the corporate media. |
Deutsche Welle and BBC are excellent sources of news from a world perspective, and I also like The Globe and Mail. |
Thanks for the links. I think the younger generation and the internet savvy are getting more objective information from the web. However, so many Americans believe they have done their duty by plopping down in front of cable news for 30 minutes each day. They are exhausted from working so hard to pay for the crap they have come to believe they can't live without. And so many of them truly believe that what they see on TV is the honest truth
When the sh*t hits the fan (which I believe will be very soon), people will start to understand the degree to which they have been misled. |
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03/14/2008 02:16:55 PM · #36 |
I agree with most of your statements about "Americans" (generally speaking). There is a blindness caused by a seemingly mixed-up set of priorities.
It seems like you have knowledge about Ron Paul â€Â¦ I have two questions:
Why did he run as a Republican?
Will he or anyone run as a Libertarian?
hey -- found more info (duh, it's the internet)!
Originally posted by rox_rox:
Hopefully, when that does happen Ron Paul and others who think like him will be there to help us through rehab.
Ron Paul on the economy. |
Message edited by author 2008-03-14 14:28:16. |
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03/14/2008 07:30:36 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by metatate:
I agree with most of your statements about "Americans" (generally speaking). There is a blindness caused by a seemingly mixed-up set of priorities.
It seems like you have knowledge about Ron Paul â€Â¦ I have two questions:
Why did he run as a Republican?
Will he or anyone run as a Libertarian?
hey -- found more info (duh, it's the internet)!
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Ron Paul has been serving in Congress as a conservative Republican for 20 years. He believes that Republican=Constitutionalist=Libertarian and that Neocons are not true Republicans. He did run as a Libertarian in 1988 while remaining a registered Republican. I believe that, having seen the way he was mistreated by the media in this race, he knew running as a third-party candidate would not get him into the White House; but would cost him credibility in the congressional race (which he subsequently won). Perhaps he feels that he is more effective in the capacity of congressman than failed third-party candidate.
This clip from one of the early debates reveals his explanation for why he is a Republican, as well as how biased and smug FOX news and the other candidates are. I interpret the condescending laughter as subconscious nervousness; as though they feared Ron Paul would expose them for the frauds they are.
In this clip from a later debate he, indeed, exposes John McCain for his feeble grasp of economics.
I also find it interesting that there were a few media rumblings about Paul's age, in the beginning. However, once McCain announced his candidacy, little more was said about that. (They are only a year apart.) That's when I realized that McCain might be the chosen one.
Message edited by author 2008-03-14 19:32:02. |
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03/14/2008 08:56:21 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I want the 'I do care, I do live in the US, but I can't vote' option, please. |
How badly do you want it? I'll sell you my vote for a reasonable fee.
In fact, if you're really serious, I can probably scrounge up several extras.
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