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 03/11/2008 07:27:33 PM · #51
After reading the article the kind of things people general think of as std like herpes aids and all those creepy things ae a very low percentile 2 to 4 percent. the big hpv is in 18 percent. NOw I may be wrong but isn't hpv fairly new in the world of std and was never really studied with t he others ?
So wouyldn't it inflate the numbers also the study was only done on 838 people so it is a small fraction of the population. All I think I am trying to say is the british news article , while informative, kind of twists things around higher on the doom and gloom meter. did the study have more studies that back the findings. according to the article it was the first of its kind. So how can you determine the information of the study without years to look upon before you judge the current situation of societies flaws and failures.
 03/11/2008 07:34:43 PM · #52
Originally posted by electrolost:
So wouyldn't it inflate the numbers also the study was only done on 838 people so it is a small fraction of the population.


838 people is very large as far as prospective studies go. I'm going to try to dig up the study itself.
 03/11/2008 07:49:50 PM · #53
Originally posted by hopper:
What if the topic were drug use and the dangers of sharing needles? Should the schools pass out clean needles and teach everyone how to properly shoot up?

we can't prevent them from doing it, so lets make it safe

That's a ridiculous and irrelevant analogy that does nothing to further the discussion.
 03/11/2008 07:51:38 PM · #54
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Telling horny teenagers with raging hormones not to have sex is like telling a cat to stop acting like a cat.
It's a ridiculous notion. Hasn't worked, doesn't work ...it will never work. NEXT!!!

Originally posted by slickchik:
What about having self-control. We are not animals and can control our behaviors. Just because I am angry with someone and want to punch them in the face or push them down and stomp on them doesn't mean that I have to do it. I have self-control. As a teenager, I had self-control. Using raging hormones as an excuse for not exercising self-control is ridiculous.

Accountability???? Responsibility????

Surely you jest!.......8>)

Hooray!
 03/11/2008 07:59:26 PM · #55
my daughter is in 10th grade. 4 girls in her class are pregnant. People have been having sex and smoking pot and drinking since the 7th grade. She also said that several girls think they have chlamydia but are too stupid to go to a doctor, so they just sit around the lunchroom talking about how they think they have it. Yup. Our bible belt, abstinence thing is sure doing the trick down here in the south. Yeeehaaaaaaaw! Good job, parents.

Me, ive been talking to my daughter about sex and explaining that she needs to be honest about when she decides to become sexually active so we can get her on the pill. Then explain that the pill wont keep her from getting aids...and that its not 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. And..well..man, getting pregnant or getting aids would sure be the fastest way to ruin those dreams you have. ;)

Maybe one of the problems is that the kids have no supervision, no goals, no dreams. We should be nurturing our childrens talents and interests. This might keep them focused on issues and pleasures that are more rewarding than sex and drugs. They are bored, lonely and experimenting. Do you blame them?
 03/11/2008 07:59:59 PM · #56
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
For the people who argue that teens are gonna have sex no matter what, why is there a difference generationally? Fewer teens of the last generation had sex than our, fewer teens of the generation before that had sex than the last. STDs were less common. This isn't to say that there weren't teens having sex, but there were fewer.

Why the change? I'm interested in opinions here.

Dude.....you're dead wrong on that count!

I'm 52, and I was an anomaly in that I was selective and not particularly promiscuous in my late teen years. I started later than most, and to me the whole thing was a lot more serious and commited than most of my peers.

I was growing up in the middle of the sexual revolution, and we set the precedent for this bad behavior that has been an issue ever since.

I had a measure of self-control that was virtually unheard of for the day, yet I was still fairly active.

Another sad note....my wife and I will be celebrating our 25th anniversary next month, and 30 years together in October.

NOBODY that we know, knew, or ran around with at the time, and for about the first ten years we were together, is still together.

My generation pretty much developed the disposable marriage.

We reap what we sow.
 03/11/2008 08:11:55 PM · #57
What should be done is, when boys and girls are separated and given "the talk" in about the 5th grade, they should also be shown pictures of what STD's look like. That would scare them into abstinance!!!
 03/11/2008 08:50:03 PM · #58
I have 2 daughters... now 20 and 22....

I endeavored to instill in them the benefits of abstinence. I have attempted to teach them good morals and to take responsibility for their own lives and choices..... that said, I also taught them about sexual safety in case they chose the option "less desired".

One daughter.... chose to begin sexual relationships early and carelessly.
The other daughter is getting married in May, a virgin.

Same teaching, very different results.

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 20:51:15.
 03/11/2008 08:55:58 PM · #59
Originally posted by electrolost:
After reading the article the kind of things people general think of as std like herpes aids and all those creepy things ae a very low percentile 2 to 4 percent. the big hpv is in 18 percent. NOw I may be wrong but isn't hpv fairly new in the world of std and was never really studied with t he others ?
So wouyldn't it inflate the numbers also the study was only done on 838 people so it is a small fraction of the population. All I think I am trying to say is the british news article , while informative, kind of twists things around higher on the doom and gloom meter. did the study have more studies that back the findings. according to the article it was the first of its kind. So how can you determine the information of the study without years to look upon before you judge the current situation of societies flaws and failures.

HPV is the virus most known to cause genital warts. I think because of the new vaccine they make it sound like two completely different things.
 03/11/2008 08:58:45 PM · #60
Originally posted by icu1965:
What should be done is, when boys and girls are separated and given "the talk" in about the 5th grade, they should also be shown pictures of what STD's look like. That would scare them into abstinance!!!


So this is one of those worthless without pictures threads ?
 03/11/2008 09:00:07 PM · #61
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by icu1965:
What should be done is, when boys and girls are separated and given "the talk" in about the 5th grade, they should also be shown pictures of what STD's look like. That would scare them into abstinance!!!


So this is one of those worthless without pictures threads ?

I have a fantastic book that has pictures if you're really interested!
ETA: Can you imagine having that job to take pictures of people with STD's so they can be published in textbooks?

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 21:03:18.
 03/11/2008 09:30:41 PM · #62
Originally posted by grigrigirl:


Me, ive been talking to my daughter about sex and explaining that she needs to be honest about when she decides to become sexually active so we can get her on the pill. Then explain that the pill wont keep her from getting aids...and that its not 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. And..well..man, getting pregnant or getting aids would sure be the fastest way to ruin those dreams you have. ;)

Maybe one of the problems is that the kids have no supervision, no goals, no dreams. We should be nurturing our childrens talents and interests. This might keep them focused on issues and pleasures that are more rewarding than sex and drugs. They are bored, lonely and experimenting. Do you blame them?


Honesty is the best policy. I have always talked to my girls about anything. They need to know they can to me or their mother and ask anything and we will give them an honest answer.
 03/11/2008 10:42:41 PM · #63
Originally posted by slickchik:
What about having self-control. We are not animals and can control our behaviors. Just because I am angry with someone and want to punch them in the face or push them down and stomp on them doesn't mean that I have to do it. I have self-control. As a teenager, I had self-control. Using raging hormones as an excuse for not exercising self-control is ridiculous.


I agree with you wholeheartedly, however, I DO think that beyond teaching my children NOT to do it in the first place, I should make sure they are prepared AND know the dangers of not taking precautions should it happen. Besides, if they are with a friend who is going to do it no matter what, I am hoping my children have the common sense and are prepared enough to give that friend solid advice on how to be safe :)

Education on a subject (much like shooting up with a dirty, clean, or ANY needle for that matter) increases the chances that the child will at least know what to expect and how to act when presented with the option. :)

Also, let me just add... folks, go talk to your kids about it... prepare them for the world... don't wait for them to come to you... they might come too late. We are not parents to raise kids, we are parents to raise responsible future adults :)
 03/12/2008 02:07:41 AM · #64
Originally posted by icu1965:

I have a fantastic book that has pictures if you're really interested!

Great one in our ED also...THE BIG BOOK OF DERMATOLOGY
and if you are interested what it is like on the inside....-->ahhhh Google genital wart images for yourself.
03/12/2008 02:40:18 AM · #65
From what I've seen peer pressure is huge reason for oversexed up teens. In the sixth grade girls were actively talking about having boyfriends and about which bases they had to go to keep their boyfriends. It's one thing to do something which you enjoy but another when you're getting pulled into sex because everyone else is doing it. Too many girls don't respect themselves anymore.. Those girls always seemed to be half scared and half pleased that someone had liked them enough to ask them out..
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