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03/06/2008 02:41:44 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
[quote=Flash] They're both experienced politicians and both are snakes of the same degree. |
I respect your right to see it that way, but there is a severe distinction to me. Never would I compare John McCain to Hillary in "snakiness". I wouldn't even compare Rev Al Sharpton to Hillary in snakiness and he is pretty snaky. But those are just my opinions. |
Hey, don't go disparaging snakes! They are largely innocuous yet valuable members of the ecosystem, unlike the vast majority of politicians.
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03/06/2008 03:32:14 PM · #27 |
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Message edited by author 2008-03-10 13:59:17. |
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03/10/2008 01:58:25 PM · #28 |
This started as a Clinton thread and morphing into other political areas of the current campaign is OK with this OP.
Clinton's management style
If the above link/article is any indivcation of how her time in the White House would be, perhaps some current supporters should re-evaluate. |
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03/10/2008 03:08:49 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Flash:
This started as a Clinton thread and morphing into other political areas of the current campaign is OK with this OP.
Clinton's management style
If the above link/article is any indivcation of how her time in the White House would be, perhaps some current supporters should re-evaluate. |
As opposed to the well oiled Machiavellian machine in place today designed to take taxpayer money the country doesn't have and give it to the poor countries they blew to Hell while handing out a big payout to the administration's cronies. Nice.
With those choices, I'll take the management with a few bumps in the road. |
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03/10/2008 03:47:09 PM · #30 |
$5500 an hour - wow
Just posting some links that I'll likely need in the upcoming election cycle when the left wants to examine the behavior od some right leaning candidiate.
Of course we could just agree that both sides have some dirty scoundrels and deal with each invididual on their own merits. |
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03/10/2008 03:52:57 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Flash:
$5500 an hour - wow
Just posting some links that I'll likely need in the upcoming election cycle when the left wants to examine the behavior od some right leaning candidiate.
Of course we could just agree that both sides have some dirty scoundrels and deal with each invididual on their own merits. |
The Bush Administration has shown they have few individuals of merit.
How can you compare visiting a prostitute with starting a war and bankrupting the nation? |
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03/10/2008 04:12:01 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Flash:
$5500 an hour - wow
Just posting some links that I'll likely need in the upcoming election cycle when the left wants to examine the behavior od some right leaning candidiate.
Of course we could just agree that both sides have some dirty scoundrels and deal with each invididual on their own merits. |
The Bush Administration has shown they have few individuals of merit.
How can you compare visiting a prostitute with starting a war and bankrupting the nation? |
No comparison. Just the former AG who prosecuted those crimes, wants to give illegal aliens drivers licenses, had Hillary's support before he didn't have it, etc etc etc. Just preparing for the upcoming left wing assault on conservatism and getting some examples of how hypocrital they are. |
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03/10/2008 04:32:36 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Flash:
$5500 an hour - wow
Just posting some links that I'll likely need in the upcoming election cycle when the left wants to examine the behavior od some right leaning candidiate.
Of course we could just agree that both sides have some dirty scoundrels and deal with each invididual on their own merits. |
The Bush Administration has shown they have few individuals of merit.
How can you compare visiting a prostitute with starting a war and bankrupting the nation? |
No comparison. Just the former AG who prosecuted those crimes, wants to give illegal aliens drivers licenses, had Hillary's support before he didn't have it, etc etc etc. Just preparing for the upcoming left wing assault on conservatism and getting some examples of how hypocrital they are. |
There's enough hypocrisy to go around on both sides of the aisle. For every liberal hypocrit you site, I can give you at least one documented conservative hypocrit. And the game could go one forever.
That's why I'm a policy voter. What difference does it make if the person has an impeccable personal reputation but represents policies I can't go along with?
Try this for the general election, have someone print out each party's platform, you can DL them from the party web sties. Have them remove any reference to which party it belongs to. Every candidate has pledged to support their party's platform. Read both platforms.
The one you agree with 51% or more is the party's candidate you should vote for.
The rest is all BS.
Message edited by author 2008-03-10 16:33:56. |
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03/10/2008 07:53:41 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Flash:
$5500 an hour - wow
Just posting some links that I'll likely need in the upcoming election cycle when the left wants to examine the behavior od some right leaning candidiate.
Of course we could just agree that both sides have some dirty scoundrels and deal with each invididual on their own merits. |
The Bush Administration has shown they have few individuals of merit.
How can you compare visiting a prostitute with starting a war and bankrupting the nation? |
No comparison. Just the former AG who prosecuted those crimes, wants to give illegal aliens drivers licenses, had Hillary's support before he didn't have it, etc etc etc. Just preparing for the upcoming left wing assault on conservatism and getting some examples of how hypocrital they are. |
The actions of one individual certainly pales in comparison with the Republican Party's wholesale hypocrisy in going against their long held tenets of small government and fiscal responsibility. |
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03/11/2008 08:48:32 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The actions of one individual certainly pales in comparison with the Republican Party's wholesale hypocrisy in going against their long held tenets of small government and fiscal responsibility. |
Truly you do not see my posts as relating to only specific individuals? They are intended to illustrate the policies of the liberal mindset. Like how Hillary's web page no longer lists any mention of Governor Spitzer, even though he endorsed her, she defended his plan to issue drivers licenses to illegals, etc. Or how Mayor Gavin (San Francisco) wants his city to be a sanctuary city for illegals. How the liberal police department commission feels it is ICE's job to deal with illegals, NOT the local police in concert with ICE. This santuary city that encourages illegals to flock to that location will place a strain on local services. Of course the liberals can just raise taxes on those actually working, to pay for the added burden. Seems to me I requested something similar here, to improve the sites growth and allow those promoting the socialist agenda to put their money where their.....
edit to add: Or the 1.2 million we have in our state on food stamps that Jennifer now wants to distribute 2x/month instead of monthly. Lets double the postage expense, double the cost of processing, double the cost of issuance. And to pay for the added cost, we'll just raise taxes. I really pay enough already. The city that I have spent over a half a century in, has a histroically high violence rate, historically high social program dependency, and for as long as I can remember been dominated by liberal politicians and their policies. If this is such a good model, shouldn't we be seeing the major cities in the US and abroad rise up out of the dependency on social programs? Shouldn'et we be seeing cities like New Orleans eliminate the dependency instead of adding to it? How does one stay 3rd and 4th generation illerterate and poor? It is from the social dependency that liberal socialists policies perpetuate.
Message edited by author 2008-03-11 09:01:42. |
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03/11/2008 08:57:12 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The actions of one individual certainly pales in comparison with the Republican Party's wholesale hypocrisy in going against their long held tenets of small government and fiscal responsibility. |
Truly you do not see my posts as relating to only specific individuals? They are intended to illustrate the policies of the liberal mindset. Like how Hillary's web page no longer lists any mention of Governor Spitzer, even though he endorsed her, she defended his plan to issue drivers licenses to illegals, etc. |
Yes, I'm afraid Gov. Spitzer has taken a great fall and has damaged the Democratic party. Which is a shame, considering that he actually did root out corruption on Wall Street and elsewhere. Who will take on that job?
Originally posted by Flash:
Of course the liberals can just raise taxes on those actually working, to pay for the added burden. Seems to me I requested something similar here, to improve the sites growth and allow those promoting the socialist agenda to put their money where their..... |
Yes, suggested and sensibly shot down. |
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03/11/2008 09:02:23 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The actions of one individual certainly pales in comparison with the Republican Party's wholesale hypocrisy in going against their long held tenets of small government and fiscal responsibility. |
Truly you do not see my posts as relating to only specific individuals? They are intended to illustrate the policies of the liberal mindset. Like how Hillary's web page no longer lists any mention of Governor Spitzer, even though he endorsed her, she defended his plan to issue drivers licenses to illegals, etc. Or how Mayor Gavin (San Francisco) wants his city to be a sanctuary city for illegals. How the liberal police department commission feels it is ICE's job to deal with illegals, NOT the local police in concert with ICE. This santuary city that encourages illegals to flock to that location will place a strain on local services. Of course the liberals can just raise taxes on those actually working, to pay for the added burden. Seems to me I requested something similar here, to improve the sites growth and allow those promoting the socialist agenda to put their money where their..... |
Yes, what else are they really? You take specific instances of one person's shortcomings and use them as a broad brush to paint everyone of their associates. |
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03/11/2008 09:07:49 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by Flash:
Of course the liberals can just raise taxes on those actually working, to pay for the added burden. Seems to me I requested something similar here, to improve the sites growth and allow those promoting the socialist agenda to put their money where their..... |
Yes, suggested and sensibly shot down. |
Hardly shot down. In fact, there has been almost zero address of the matter. None of the liberal proponents have discussed any reason why their income from print sales should not be redistributed. I am most curious on why their income is exempt. |
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03/11/2008 09:37:10 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by Flash:
Of course the liberals can just raise taxes on those actually working, to pay for the added burden. Seems to me I requested something similar here, to improve the sites growth and allow those promoting the socialist agenda to put their money where their..... |
Yes, suggested and sensibly shot down. |
Hardly shot down. In fact, there has been almost zero address of the matter. None of the liberal proponents have discussed any reason why their income from print sales should not be redistributed. I am most curious on why their income is exempt. |
Some things are so patently absurd as to not merit any form of discussion.
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03/11/2008 09:51:38 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Flash:
... Or the 1.2 million we have in our state on food stamps that Jennifer now wants to distribute 2x/month instead of monthly. Lets double the postage expense, double the cost of processing, double the cost of issuance. And to pay for the added cost, we'll just raise taxes. |
AFAIK the name "Food Stamps" is a quaint name of convenience from the past -- There is no longer a physical coupon involved. It now works by giving the recipient a special debit-card, the account can be replenished at the appropriate time without having to mail anything. This also helps reduce fraud, as the cards can't be traded for cash like the coupons often were; the cards can only be used for eligible purchases.
Having had a job where I was only paid once per month, I can tell you it's harder to successfully budget money over a whole month.
BTW: I dare anyone here to eat for a month or two on a "Food stamp" budget, then tell me it's not "work." |
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03/11/2008 10:13:22 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Or the 1.2 million we have in our state on food stamps that Jennifer now wants to distribute 2x/month instead of monthly. Lets double the postage expense, double the cost of processing, double the cost of issuance. And to pay for the added cost, we'll just raise taxes. I really pay enough already. The city that I have spent over a half a century in, has a histroically high violence rate, historically high social program dependency, and for as long as I can remember been dominated by liberal politicians and their policies. If this is such a good model, shouldn't we be seeing the major cities in the US and abroad rise up out of the dependency on social programs? Shouldn'et we be seeing cities like New Orleans eliminate the dependency instead of adding to it? How does one stay 3rd and 4th generation illerterate and poor? It is from the social dependency that liberal socialists policies perpetuate. |
Do you think it costs more to pay you 2x/month?
Besides, it's not like there are actual "stamps" being mailed, that's a thing of the past. It's more like a debit card. Once it's set in the computer, the money is simply released in 2 payments instead of 1.
As for the poor, what would you do, just cut them off?
For someone who professes to be a Christian, you're showing an awful lot of concern for what's yours and a disturbing disdain for those less fortunate. |
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03/11/2008 10:59:16 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by Flash:
Of course the liberals can just raise taxes on those actually working, to pay for the added burden. Seems to me I requested something similar here, to improve the sites growth and allow those promoting the socialist agenda to put their money where their..... |
Yes, suggested and sensibly shot down. |
Hardly shot down. In fact, there has been almost zero address of the matter. None of the liberal proponents have discussed any reason why their income from print sales should not be redistributed. |
Probably because it's too dumb to respond to. While you may not be the nimblest of arguers, your agility in dodging sound and reasonable responses to such silliness is impressive indeed.
Originally posted by Matthew:
This is a foolish proposition - both in itself and as an analogy.
Do you really oppose social welfare for the disabled? Would you throw wounded veterans onto the street because they can no longer work? Would you have ambulances only for those who can afford them? How about schooling only for those with rich enough parents, regardless of their ability?
All these things are managed through redistribution of wealth and the application of socialist principles in the US. The fact that the US applies these principles does not turn it into an extremist communist state.
You seem to lose the plot when confronted with a scalar proposition - unable to move from the extremist poles. |
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03/11/2008 11:12:34 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
BTW: I dare anyone here to eat for a month or two on a "Food stamp" budget, then tell me it's not "work." |
It works out to about $3 per person per day at least here in MI. |
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03/11/2008 03:34:43 PM · #44 |
I can't even make this stuff up
Unbelievable. A former Vice Presedential candidate for the Liberal Democrats, who have as their core constituency - minorities, are treated to commentary like this. Ferraro represents/supports the 2nd place candidate who wants the 1st place candidate to be her VP. Only the Clinton's can push that and actually have people believe it.
Yep, doctoring a photo to make him darker, then claiming the only reason he is ahead is because he is Black. What a group. |
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03/11/2008 04:00:16 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
BTW: I dare anyone here to eat for a month or two on a "Food stamp" budget, then tell me it's not "work." |
It works out to about $3 per person per day at least here in MI. |
Times 1.2 million = 36 million a month or 432 million a year. If we still had the manufacturing jobs we lost...we could both better afford it (as the tax base would be broader) and not need it at the same time (as more would be employed). Having worked every day of my life since the 8th grade, I cannot envision not working. Even when I was laid off for 2 years, I got another job. It didn't pay much, and I could have made more money on unemployment, but I choose to work instead. When faced with another layoff, I choose to take a significant cut in pay and a transfer to a much lower classification, to stay working. Nearly 30 years ago I received gov't assitance in the form of a 1 time payment (as I was "under employed" meaning I was working but not making enough money). Once employed again, the government wanted their money back - and I paid it.
I have said this before - I have no particular problem with a helping hand. I do have a problem with handouts that result in multi-generational dependency on a system that perpetuates itself. We do not have poor here. Poor is what you see when you visit South America or Mexico or Sudan or Darfur. THAT is poor. Here we have public schooling for anyone who wants to go. Here we have public assistance to pay your utilities, help with your housing payment, and medicaid to pay for your health care.
Spend 6 months in the maternity ward of any major city hospital (like Detroit, Washington DC, Chicago, LA) and see those that are birthing babies today. These kids don't have a chance. Not the kids being born nor the ones having them. This is the product of decades of socialist policy.
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03/11/2008 04:10:31 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Yep, doctoring a photo to make him darker, then claiming the only reason he is ahead is because he is Black. What a group. |
OK, Flash, we get it. Democrats bad. Go take a photo.
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03/11/2008 04:21:29 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by Flash:
Yep, doctoring a photo to make him darker, then claiming the only reason he is ahead is because he is Black. What a group. |
OK, Flash, we get it. Democrats bad. Go take a photo. |
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03/11/2008 04:32:42 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Spend 6 months in the maternity ward of any major city hospital (like Detroit, Washington DC, Chicago, LA) and see those that are birthing babies today. These kids don't have a chance. Not the kids being born nor the ones having them. This is the product of decades of socialist policy. |
Gee, don't you think that just a little bit of the disadvantage some of those kids have might be due to 200-plus years of slavery and subsequent discrimination? |
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03/11/2008 04:42:35 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Flash:
We do not have poor here. Poor is what you see when you visit South America or Mexico or Sudan or Darfur. THAT is poor. Here we have public schooling for anyone who wants to go. Here we have public assistance to pay your utilities, help with your housing payment, and medicaid to pay for your health care.
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So, you want to bring that kind of poverty here so you can put a few more bucks in your pocket?
Great. |
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03/11/2008 04:47:36 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Flash:
Spend 6 months in the maternity ward of any major city hospital (like Detroit, Washington DC, Chicago, LA) and see those that are birthing babies today. These kids don't have a chance. Not the kids being born nor the ones having them. This is the product of decades of socialist policy. |
Gee, don't you think that just a little bit of the disadvantage some of those kids have might be due to 200-plus years of slavery and subsequent discrimination? |
Not when the socilist policies of those cities were instituted to address those very concerns. Not when the free distribution of money to economically disadvantaged people is intended to lift them out of it.
Why is that only certain segments of our population have multi-generational poor. The Asians don't have it. Mexican/Latinos don't have it. Within a generation or 2 they are contributing members of the community. They take advantage of schooling and they work hard. Many many peoples have come to this country and against impossible odds, made a go of it. It Irish, Italians, Germans etc. Predjudice was what these immigrants faced. Yet they rose above the poverty.
New immigrants come every day, and succeed. Several generations of any group should be well beyond the "victimization" mentality that keeps so many downtrodden. No, this is a product of dependency. A terrible cancer that thwarts a communities ability to rise up and take ownership. Helping hand - yes. Continued handout, generation after generation, in the same family - no. |
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