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 03/11/2008 11:07:38 AM · #26
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
The question here is, why start one? I know they are not problems. I prefer to enter to DPC challenges, and DPL since they are "official" challenges here...


You do realize that "DPL" wouldn't exist if it hadn't started as a side challenge, right?
 03/11/2008 11:10:07 AM · #27
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
...so why be bothered by them?

The question here is, why start one? I know they are not problems. ...

Why not? This site is about learning also, yes? I've entered a couple side challenges when I had the time, and they were a great learning experience. Much more intense that the regular challenges and ten times the feedback.

Originally posted by FocusPoint:
... Things going well, so just join or not but get on with it... true... although since I like DPC, I hate to see falling apart in the future. ...

??? You say things are fine and going well, etc...so exactly, what is "falling apart"? The way I see it, there is plenty of fun things to do and participate with here at DPChallenge. The site is very active and vibrant.
 03/11/2008 11:11:35 AM · #28
Originally posted by keegbow:
...Good don't start another one!!!


That's what I said.

Also, I said, my money and knowledge are "limited"... I didn't say I have "no" money "no" knowledge!

Where I go from here? I think wherever I want to go. Are you going to hold my hand on my way... I am old enough to judge my acts, and my words... I don't think I need any help for that one.

Same is good for you by the way, if you don't like the thread, don't even bother to reply.
 03/11/2008 11:12:37 AM · #29
Originally posted by glad2badad:
...what is "falling apart"?...


Nothing yet. I hope it will never happen :)
 03/11/2008 11:19:30 AM · #30
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 03/11/2008 11:19:51 AM · #31
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I do listen others complaint here many times... that's something we as "people" do often :) because we "people" like changes, it's in our genes :)


If you like photography contest sites that constantly change, might I recommend Daily Awards? I was there about 1.5 years and the system was in a constant state of flux. The owner apparently has time to listen to the 15 or 20 members out of 3500 or so who post on the forum, and make changes about ever 2 or 3 months. It's a neat interface and a continuous photo contest, meaning your images receive votes for a longer period of time than DPC. Voting is not anonymous so people can figure out who votes what if they are a paid member. This assures a huge harangue on the forums at least once a week consisting of members who think others are voting strategically. If you don't enjoy this you can simply ignore the forums. The interface is quite differnent from DPC and it might aid you in designing your own. I've looked into designing a simple site of my own but my skills in web design and database managment are not up to the task. But I wish you well. Be sure to come back and give us the URL of yours so we can help you test it.
 03/11/2008 11:20:48 AM · #32
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by keegbow:
...Good don't start another one!!!


That's what I said.

Also, I said, my money and knowledge are "limited"... I didn't say I have "no" money "no" knowledge!

Where I go from here? I think wherever I want to go. Are you going to hold my hand on my way... I am old enough to judge my acts, and my words... I don't think I need any help for that one.

Same is good for you by the way, if you don't like the thread, don't even bother to reply.

My apologies when you said you had limited knowledge and money I instinctively thought you meant that you did not have enough money or knowledge, sorry my bad.

Where you go from here: well as I stated in my post "Your choice do what you think is best"

By the way what makes you think I didn't like the thread? I love seeing people slam the site and then realize they way out of line with the majority of members.

03/11/2008 11:23:32 AM · #33
Originally posted by keegbow:
...I love seeing people slam the site and then realize they way out of line with the majority of members.


I don't slam the site... and I don't think majority thinks I am way out of line. Majority of replies maybe, but I wouldn't go "Majority members" :)
 03/11/2008 11:29:45 AM · #34
Side challenges are currently my only means of participating here. I used to enter challenges, but found the side challengs to be more engaging, instructive, interactive, and social. There are dozens of users here who don't enter challenges regularly, or at all. I don't think we're the future cause of the collapse of DPC. That's just silly.

As someone already pointed out, keep in mind that DPL started out as a side challenge, and was only later incorporated into DPC when the organizer didn't want to manage it any longer. So it seems that side challenges enhance and build on the site, instead of the gloomy reverse you envision.
 03/11/2008 11:30:48 AM · #35
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I don't see them taking away from the main challenges at all. If anything, the side challenges may encourage more participation for some, as the participants gain confidence from the additional feedback and practice.


I agree! They have made me participate more as well as made tighter relations between myself and other DPC members...As you suggested, if you don't like the side challenges don't read the threads or check the results. I personally like them and believe they're an asset to the site.
 03/11/2008 11:32:25 AM · #36
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by keegbow:
...I love seeing people slam the site and then realize they way out of line with the majority of members.


I don't slam the site... and I don't think majority thinks I am way out of line. Majority of replies maybe, but I wouldn't go "Majority members" :)


Someone that threatens to start their own site because they are not happy here will potentially if successful draw members and funds away from DPC which I consider slamming the site.

If you have a look at the numbers of members who utilize these side challenges you will find that it is majority of members.
03/11/2008 11:34:17 AM · #37
Originally posted by Louis:
So it seems that side challenges enhance and build on the site, instead of the gloomy reverse you envision.


Agree, well said. This site is very well established and has not gone under which is very easy in the world of the internet.

You say that if you made a site, it would not be as sophisticated as DCP. Then I really can not see it working out for and collapsing within a few months.

If you wanted to build a site, then it would take a lot of time and knowledge of computer jargon, something which you say you do not have a lot of.

It will be tough for you , but good luck
 03/11/2008 11:37:40 AM · #38
Well put Louis. The side challenges and interaction with the other particpants in the side challenges are what make me keep up my membership here.

Originally posted by Louis:
Side challenges are currently my only means of participating here. I used to enter challenges, but found the side challengs to be more engaging, instructive, interactive, and social. There are dozens of users here who don't enter challenges regularly, or at all. I don't think we're the future cause of the collapse of DPC. That's just silly.

As someone already pointed out, keep in mind that DPL started out as a side challenge, and was only later incorporated into DPC when the organizer didn't want to manage it any longer. So it seems that side challenges enhance and build on the site, instead of the gloomy reverse you envision.
03/11/2008 11:39:39 AM · #39
Ditto!!!!

Originally posted by salmiakki:
Well put Louis. The side challenges and interaction with the other particpants in the side challenges are what make me keep up my membership here.

Originally posted by Louis:
Side challenges are currently my only means of participating here. I used to enter challenges, but found the side challengs to be more engaging, instructive, interactive, and social. There are dozens of users here who don't enter challenges regularly, or at all. I don't think we're the future cause of the collapse of DPC. That's just silly.

As someone already pointed out, keep in mind that DPL started out as a side challenge, and was only later incorporated into DPC when the organizer didn't want to manage it any longer. So it seems that side challenges enhance and build on the site, instead of the gloomy reverse you envision.
03/11/2008 11:43:35 AM · #40
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by keegbow:
...I love seeing people slam the site and then realize they way out of line with the majority of members.


I don't slam the site... and I don't think majority thinks I am way out of line. Majority of replies maybe, but I wouldn't go "Majority members" :)


I can not speak for the majority but you have questioned everyone who does participate in side challenges and there are some very active members that participate in side challenges from time to time. There have even been benefit type challenges to help other memebers so where would you draw the line?
 03/11/2008 11:44:54 AM · #41
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Message edited by author 2008-03-11 11:45:46.
 03/11/2008 11:44:55 AM · #42
I am not overwhelmed by your reactions, and I do understand your points as well as I hear other side of the coin, which is not here in this thread yet, and probably never will be here.

Reactions are normal; I calculated any replies, that's why conversation is going well IMO.

Usually I don't give up easily... I am VERY sure there will be other threads (not by me) bringing the very same subject, and I am very sure there will be changes (good ones) in the future.

I do respect your thoughts, and I would like to close it that way as I opened it. I am not sure if I can do that though.

Last thread I said the same thing; I don't think I will "third" myself saying "no more threads from me for the similar subjects".

I am not taking any of your replies personal... I hope we will have good relationships here or side challenges ;)

Be aware, I am getting better, so I might be beating you, that also will not be personal :)

FP
 03/11/2008 11:47:58 AM · #43
Side challenges have been around quite a while. As far as I know in my own DPC life (approaching 3 years now) the first side challenge was a one-on-one grudge match between two people (I wanna say it was idnic and rikki but I'm not sure about that). That gave me the idea for the League of Death which was born shortly after. Soon the WPL arose which morphed into both the DPL and the FSM. The DPC Olympics is now the latest major undertaking. There have been tons of smaller head-to-head matchups as well. 30-day themed challenges are now also popular but have been going on for a while.

The point is that while they have perhaps been more prevalent lately (although that can be argued as the DPL is/was the biggest and has not run for many months), they are not new. The ills of the site cannot be laid at the feet of these side challenges as far as I'm concerned.

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 11:49:15.
 03/11/2008 11:49:46 AM · #44
Originally posted by FocusPoint:


Be aware, I am getting better, so I might be beating you, that also will not be personal :)

FP


You already have me beat by a long shot....:) If I took it personal every time someone beat me I would not like anyone around here!
 03/11/2008 11:57:14 AM · #45
Wow. All kinds of poor communication going on over the course of FP's many threads.

First, FP, I suggest you put threads like this under the "Web Site Suggestions" forum instead of "General Discussion." That way people who aren't interested in suggestions for changes to DPC know what they're about. But be specific. Don't just complain or create threads to argue that things are wrong here; suggest how to fix them. You also might want to not suggest changes quite so often.

Second, you do seem to just constantly complain that DPC isn't doing what you want. That seems to be what many people here are reacting to. So you might think about your language. I know English isn't your native language, but it's really hurting your case because you seem very passionate about your criticism.

Finally, to answer "why should you start your own site," I'd respond "because many people might enjoy joining such a site." I'm a member here and several other places. Each does a few things very well, and they're pretty different. Yours could be another site.
 03/11/2008 12:00:23 PM · #46
Just to summarise; DPC is falling apart, but it's not falling apart. Side challenges are good, but they're not good. The OP wants to start his own website, but he doesn't want to start his own website. And most importantly the OP is happy here, but he's not happy here.
 03/11/2008 12:02:38 PM · #47
Originally posted by levyj413:
...All kinds of poor communication going on over the course of FP's many threads.


I do have that problem :/ I don't remember what I said before. I probably thought no one even bother to track it ;) All I know is to say something about things I think should be heard... Hey, other threads start with same concept but with different subjects (sometimes they also repeat)
 03/11/2008 12:02:51 PM · #48
Originally posted by jhonan:
Just to summarise; DPC is falling apart, but it's not falling apart. Side challenges are good, but they're not good. The OP wants to start his own website, but he doesn't want to start his own website. And most importantly the OP is happy here, but he's not happy here.


That̢۪s exactly how I read the state of affairs????
 03/11/2008 12:03:46 PM · #49
Originally posted by jhonan:
Just to summarise; DPC is falling apart, but it's not falling apart. Side challenges are good, but they're not good. The OP wants to start his own website, but he doesn't want to start his own website. And most importantly the OP is happy here, but he's not happy here.


That's because I am polite. See it however you wish to see it ;)
 03/11/2008 12:05:12 PM · #50
Originally posted by jhonan:
Just to summarise; DPC is falling apart, but it's not falling apart. Side challenges are good, but they're not good. The OP wants to start his own website, but he doesn't want to start his own website. And most importantly the OP is happy here, but he's not happy here.


Yeah got it in one J!
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