Improving the avg number of comments per entry

03/10/2008 06:14:51 PM · #26

Something that might help... add some extra upload space or a month's free membership or something tangible like that to certain levels.... Just thinking out loud....

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

03/10/2008 07:13:42 PM · #27

We have asked countless times before for a way to indicate who does and doesn't want comments. I am sure a couple little tick boxes can't be that difficult to implement, so I have NO idea why nothing has been done about it after all these years of asking for it.

So many of us would be much more likely to comment if we knew our input is WANTED.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

03/10/2008 07:25:40 PM · #28

Originally posted by Beetle:

Maybe one could indicate if you are interested or not in comments about technical aspects of an image vs other subjective issues and the like.

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

03/10/2008 07:30:39 PM · #29

Originally posted by Gordon:

Maybe one could indicate if you are interested or not in comments about technical aspects of an image vs other subjective issues and the like.

In my opinion, there should be a bunch of such questions that we should all have to answer ONCE, in our preferences, and after that our choices show up under each photo.

So simple, yet would do sooooooo much good!

03/10/2008 07:55:36 PM · #30

Originally posted by Beetle:

Originally posted by Gordon:
Maybe one could indicate if you are interested or not in comments about technical aspects of an image vs other subjective issues and the like.

In my opinion, there should be a bunch of such questions that we should all have to answer ONCE, in our preferences, and after that our choices show up under each photo.

So simple, yet would do sooooooo much good!

Better yet, if no comments wanted, no comment box.

03/11/2008 07:38:40 AM · #31

Originally posted by SDW:

Does your graph take in account the post-challenge comments or these comments during the challenge only. To get a true reading you would need to do a graph only counting the comments that were made during the challenge since most post-challenge comments are congratulatory, not critique style you would see during the challenge and not knowing who the photographer was.
Just my 2 cents.

You'd have to ask confirmation to Langdon, but (i) it seems that the figures are not changing for the recent challenges so would point to the figure being comments given during the (ii) anyway if you do the long term trend, it is reasonable to assume that this trend would look the same either way - although at a higher/lower average in each case.

So all in all it should not change the conclusion about the same number of comments on average since DPC inception.

03/11/2008 07:42:32 AM · #32

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by taterbug:
... X amount of credit given for writing a certain amount of critique club quality comments/critiques?

The equation between quantity and quality is problematic.

why? it's done in countless other sites around. And eve on DPC, it is done for the tutorials. The best one get higher grade than the lower ones.

by having a feedback system on comments that is more elaborate than useful/not useful could improve the whole thing, even more so when you consider that many people don't really tick it to indicate that has been useful, but rather just read.

03/11/2008 09:09:27 AM · #33

Originally posted by mouten:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by taterbug:
... X amount of credit given for writing a certain amount of critique club quality comments/critiques?

The equation between quantity and quality is problematic.

why? it's done in countless other sites around. And eve on DPC, it is done for the tutorials. The best one get higher grade than the lower ones.

by having a feedback system on comments that is more elaborate than useful/not useful could improve the whole thing, even more so when you consider that many people don't really tick it to indicate that has been useful, but rather just read.

There are very few tutorials compared to comments. Who's got the time to review thousands of comments to determine whether they meet the quality criteria?

03/11/2008 10:04:36 AM · #34

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

There are very few tutorials compared to comments. Who's got the time to review thousands of comments to determine whether they meet the quality criteria?

the idea would be that the photographer instead of useful/not useful could give a more elaborate ranking to the comment. no need to make it much more complex, just 3-4 notches ("not useful", "nice but not elaborate", "elaborate", "very details" or whatever)

It's done on many other sites on the internet?

03/11/2008 10:11:43 AM · #35

Originally posted by mouten:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
There are very few tutorials compared to comments. Who's got the time to review thousands of comments to determine whether they meet the quality criteria?

the idea would be that the photographer instead of useful/not useful could give a more elaborate ranking to the comment. no need to make it much more complex, just 3-4 notches ("not useful", "nice but not elaborate", "elaborate", "very details" or whatever)

It's done on many other sites on the internet?

Just because other sites have it is not a very good argument for putting it on this site. What benefit would it bring?

03/11/2008 10:25:32 AM · #36

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Just because other sites have it is not a very good argument for putting it on this site. What benefit would it bring?

you're right the fact that other sites have it is not in itself a good argument. Even more so because you don't have an exact, directly comparable site (maybe except photoforum.ru?).

But whether or not it is done by other sites, the idea, going along your concern, is to have a way to qualify the comments. With that, commentors can then be awarded more or less points not only on the number of comments, but also on the quality of the comments. From there you can built a whole incentive system to entice people to give more / better comments (that are not just a letter in a box)?

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 10:28:40.

03/11/2008 10:33:53 AM · #37

Originally posted by mouten:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Just because other sites have it is not a very good argument for putting it on this site. What benefit would it bring?

you're right the fact that other sites have it is not in itself a good argument. Even more so because you don't have an exact, directly comparable site (maybe except photoforum.ru?).

But whether or not it is done by other sites, the idea, going along your concern, is to have a way to qualify the comments. With that, commentors can then be awarded more or less points not only on the number of comments, but also on the quality of the comments. From there you can built a whole incentive system to entice people to give more / better comments (that are not just a letter in a box)?

It's relying on the commenting public to rate the comments. For the ranking to be valid, the rating of comments needs to be consistent across the board. To do this, comments need to be reviewed by a panel similar to the SC. Otherwise, the ratings will be all over the map and really won't mean much.

03/11/2008 10:38:05 AM · #38

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

I think that the whole system of DPC is to rely on public rating? That's how images are graded? And today for comments you are already relying on photographers to say whether a comment is helpful or not? My idea is only to make the existing "useful/not useful" tick box just a tad more useful and elaborate? But nothing very dramatic?

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

03/11/2008 11:07:56 AM · #39

Originally posted by mouten:

... the idea... is to have a way to qualify the comments. With that, commentors can then be awarded more or less points not only on the number of comments, but also on the quality of the comments. From there you can built a whole incentive system to entice people to give more / better comments (that are not just a letter in a box)?

I agree. And I can't think of anything more practical here than having the recipients rate the comments, as you suggest.

03/11/2008 11:20:58 AM · #40

On it's own that's fine. However, it was mentioned, that this rating would also be used to determine a weight for votes. If that is going to happen then there needs to be some sort of consistency in the rating.

posthumous

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

03/11/2008 11:23:34 AM · #41

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by mouten:
... the idea... is to have a way to qualify the comments. With that, commentors can then be awarded more or less points not only on the number of comments, but also on the quality of the comments. From there you can built a whole incentive system to entice people to give more / better comments (that are not just a letter in a box)?

I agree. And I can't think of anything more practical here than having the recipients rate the comments, as you suggest.

yes, but none of this "elaborate/very detailed" stuff, just a scale from "not helpful" to "very helpful", from 1 to 3 or 1 to 4 or 1 to 5

and no, it wouldn't be used to determine a weight for votes.

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

03/11/2008 11:29:59 AM · #42

Originally posted by posthumous:

...yes, but none of this "elaborate/very detailed" stuff, just a scale from "not helpful" to "very helpful", from 1 to 3 or 1 to 4 or 1 to 5

and no, it wouldn't be used to determine a weight for votes.

No weight, just a plain scale, yes.

jeger

Canon EOS-5D

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

03/11/2008 11:46:47 AM · #43

I think it is great that people have taken the initiative to suggest ways to improve how this site functions. There is always room for improvement.

Having said that, one of the best ways to improve the average number of comments per entry is for you to go out and start commenting. You shouldn't complain about a problem if you aren't doing anything to fix it. A large number of people who have commented in this thread have, in my opinion, few comments given compared to how long they have been registered on this site. If you think that there aren't enough comments being handed out, then go out and give some comments.

The purpose of this post is not to call anybody out, or come off as being rude. I just want to point out that this site is only successful because of the effort that it's users put in on a regular basis. You are one of these users. If you want more comments, then start giving them out.

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Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change."

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nadiaC

Nikon D70s

03/11/2008 11:49:21 AM · #44

Man in the Mirror. . .Michael Jackson.

:o)

Message edited by author 2008-03-11 11:49:38.

jeger

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

03/11/2008 11:52:52 AM · #45

Originally posted by nadiaC:

Man in the Mirror. . .Michael Jackson.

:o)

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Prize to be determined later..lol :)

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

03/11/2008 12:05:10 PM · #46

Originally posted by jeger:

Originally posted by nadiaC:
Man in the Mirror. . .Michael Jackson.

:o)

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Prize to be determined later..lol :)

Bonus points. I believe you promised bonus points. Now go give

nadiaC some points...big points...10's would probably be to her liking. ;)

zeuszen

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D

03/11/2008 12:26:48 PM · #47

Originally posted by jeger:

... A large number of people who have commented in this thread have, in my opinion, few comments given compared to how long they have been registered on this site....

While you make a very valid point, I think it's equally well to save one's breath for an occasion.

nadiaC

Nikon D70s

03/11/2008 12:49:33 PM · #48

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by jeger:

Originally posted by nadiaC:
Man in the Mirror. . .Michael Jackson.

:o)

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Prize to be determined later..lol :)

Bonus points. I believe you promised bonus points. Now go give nadiaC some points...big points...10's would probably be to her liking. ;)

i'd like to thank the academy. i'm happy just to be nominated. . . .

:o)