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10/14/2003 01:45:22 PM · #26 |
Maybe it's just me interpolating Jon's comment, but I honestly don't see it as being that bad.
"clever execution" => the idea is sound
"lacking in quality" => something is technically lacking. Could be focus, contrast, DOF, border, or whatever.
The implication of the comment is 'You came up with a good idea, but next time try and think about the technical aspects too'.
If I got the comment above, firstly, I'd appreciate the fact that I received a comment, and secondly I would try and think what was technically worst (if not necessary terrible) about the shot.
If we start nit-picking comments, as I've said before, people will just stop leaving them. |
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10/14/2003 02:05:37 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
... "sadly lacking any quality" doesn't tell me anything, other than that the viewer doesn't like the photo. That's fine, but it certainly isn't constructive. What is this "quality" he refers to? What can I learn from such a comment?... |
It doesn't tell me anything useful either, and 'no' I would not consider it 'constructive' critiscm. The questions lenkphotos asks are what I would ask, as well.
It's a perfectly acceptable comment, but a seriously flawed critique (by my evaluation). |
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10/14/2003 02:13:38 PM · #28 |
From the dictionary: Quality, adj.
Having a high degree of excellence: eg: the importance of quality health care.
Therefore, my comment translates to "sadly lacking a high degree of excellence" and I think that is a fair enough comment. Not rude, and with the inclusion of the word 'sadly' even less so.
It may not be that helpful, but 'hey great shot' isn't either, but would I see you or anyone else complaining about that?
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10/14/2003 02:20:03 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
From the dictionary: Quality, adj.
Having a high degree of excellence: eg: the importance of quality health care.
Therefore, my comment translates to "sadly lacking a high degree of excellence" and I think that is a fair enough comment. Not rude, and with the inclusion of the word 'sadly' even less so.
It may not be that helpful, but 'hey great shot' isn't either, but would I see you or anyone else complaining about that? |
I agree. Yet, some may have higher expectations than others, jonpink. |
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10/14/2003 03:19:37 PM · #30 |
ok enough comment bashing now please, pheeeew.
Message edited by author 2003-10-14 15:21:58. |
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10/14/2003 03:30:02 PM · #31 |
Would it not be fair to say that each person criticizes differently and each person responds differently?
I think the debate should be boiled down to this:
Only leave comments that are going to help the photographer to improve.
The "comment" box isn't there to vent your spleen but to edify the photographer.
It doesn't have to be complimentary but it really ought to be helpful.
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10/14/2003 04:07:03 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
The image your reffering to is this: //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=40844
And yes I made the comment. For a start, if you have a problem understanding my comment, or need me to explain why not PM me personaly? i don't mind at all.
Anyway, to clarify better. what i mean is that I liked your idea - a lot. But it has no other qualities (to me), there is nothing in focus, there is nothing correctly exposed, and I don't feel that it's composed that well. 3 big elements of what i look for in a photograh, thus it had no quality to me.
If I thought it was just pure bad, belive me I would say, but i really liked your idea.
I don't have time to explain in this much detail on every photo, so perhaps it's just not worth commenting anymore as everyone seems to get upset with a negative here and there.
And for what it's worth, i gave you a 4. Not a 1 or a 2. |
Jon, please don't stop commenting. Your contributions here ARE appreciated. I, for one, need to be a little less sensitive... When I saw this thread on negative comments, my initial reaction to your comment on my submission came to mind. In light of what's been said here, I agree that I over-reacted. Can I take it back?
Thanks,
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10/14/2003 06:40:01 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by e301:
Actually it's something you do say, Jon. It borders on the offensive, particularly from someone who hasn't marked a single comment as useful that I can find. |
What! Saying an image is boring or lacks impact lighting is not offensive nor is meant as offensive. It is my constructive critique of what I find it lacks. I don't have time to write essays about my feelings on each picture, taking the time to give a good & bad point about each one is time consuming enough.
People like you, whom take label others as 'bordering on the offensive' are the exact reasons some people don't bother to critique many images, and I for one am quite detered from doing so again becasue of people like yourself whom are quick to get upset by a comment.
In the current Exposed challenge, I have ranked and commented on every single image and thus far have recived around 20 personal thank-you's from people whom I told I found their image boring, or dull, or bad in some way, they appreciate someones time (as I do) in making a comment on their image - good OR bad. |
I don't think my comment is any more or less offensive than yours.
Ed
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