Editorial control over comments - DPChallenge Forums

02/19/2008 12:56:46 AM · #151

Originally posted by L2:

Originally posted by desertoddity:
...all this oversensitivity about comments is making me uneasy about making any ....

And this is really the shame in the whole kerfuffle, that someone else will be robbed of a comment you'd make but for this situation.

it's really frustrating to me to find all the different types of comments that people complain about. i know that you can't please everyone, but now i don't feel like even my comments just to say i liked it are valued if they don't come with some great insight about the photo and how to improve it. i will have to be very careful on how i comment on an expression or if someone will be offended if i misinterpret it in my comment. i shouldn't let my sense of humour show because it might offend the anonymous photog i am commenting on. doesn't leave much for me since i don't know how to give an in-depth critique.

02/19/2008 12:59:30 AM · #152

My wife has been reading this thread and brings up a interesting argument ...

" so it is ok for a commenter to say what ever they want about not just the photograph but perceeved faults of the model. and that is okay... remind me not to allow any picture of me on that site"

Thanks folks

02/19/2008 01:02:59 AM · #153

Why would anyone be afraid of making comments if they know they are not flaming a model or making a comment that is not relative to the image they are commenting on?

02/19/2008 01:06:56 AM · #154

Originally posted by desertoddity:

Originally posted by L2:

Originally posted by desertoddity:
...all this oversensitivity about comments is making me uneasy about making any ....

And this is really the shame in the whole kerfuffle, that someone else will be robbed of a comment you'd make but for this situation.

it's really frustrating to me to find all the different types of comments that people complain about. i know that you can't please everyone, but now i don't feel like even my comments just to say i liked it are valued if they don't come with some great insight about the photo and how to improve it. i will have to be very careful on how i comment on an expression or if someone will be offended if i misinterpret it in my comment. i shouldn't let my sense of humour show because it might offend the anonymous photog i am commenting on. doesn't leave much for me since i don't know how to give an in-depth critique.

Don't be frustrated... some on this thread have done a very good job of twisting the core issue.

I would like to think that most of us would accept and appriciate ... the "expression doesn't work" "the subject doesn't look comfortable" or stuff along those lines...
20 buck whore comments and punk losers and made up 12 year old and telling folks that their models need to eat really bad food would likely not sit well

Bottom line is civility and some here have none

Nikon D200

02/19/2008 01:07:07 AM · #155

Originally posted by nomad469:

Whoa, Nellie! That's a pretty big leap to make there, Mr. I've never once endorsed abusive comments, and I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth.

I merely lament the loss of desertoddity's comments, which to my knowledge, have never been anything but pretty wonderful and welcomed by those who have received them.

desertoddity

Nikon D300s

02/19/2008 01:09:34 AM · #156

Originally posted by Katmystiry:

Why would anyone be afraid of making comments if they know they are not flaming a model or making a comment that is not relative to the image they are commenting on?

because i don't think some of the comments under discussion that the commenters thought they were flaming anyone. at least the SC didn't think so nor did a lot of other people, though some did.

Nikon D200

02/19/2008 01:09:51 AM · #157

Originally posted by nomad469:

Except, no one called anyone a $20 whore. That was a fabrication.

Except, the punk comment was never reported through proper channels, thus never had a chance to be properly addressed.

Except, the food comment was addressed in the forums by multiple SC.

The 12-year old one I never saw, so I can't speak to that.

With regard to civility, well, let's just keep on track with actual facts and less emotion and we'll probably be ok. OK? :)

desertoddity

Nikon D300s

02/19/2008 01:12:25 AM · #158

Originally posted by nomad469:

Originally posted by desertoddity:

Originally posted by L2:

Originally posted by desertoddity:
...all this oversensitivity about comments is making me uneasy about making any ....

And this is really the shame in the whole kerfuffle, that someone else will be robbed of a comment you'd make but for this situation.

it's really frustrating to me to find all the different types of comments that people complain about. i know that you can't please everyone, but now i don't feel like even my comments just to say i liked it are valued if they don't come with some great insight about the photo and how to improve it. i will have to be very careful on how i comment on an expression or if someone will be offended if i misinterpret it in my comment. i shouldn't let my sense of humour show because it might offend the anonymous photog i am commenting on. doesn't leave much for me since i don't know how to give an in-depth critique.

Don't be frustrated... some on this thread have done a very good job of twisting the core issue.

I would like to think that most of us would accept and appriciate ... the "expression doesn't work" "the subject doesn't look comfortable" or stuff along those lines...
20 buck whore comments and punk losers and made up 12 year old and telling folks that their models need to eat really bad food would likely not sit well

Bottom line is civility and some here have none

the comment was discussed to death, but it didn't say 'whore'. and maybe the commentor on yours thought that was the image *you* were trying to portray with that photo. he wasn't necessarily trying to be insulting.

02/19/2008 01:13:34 AM · #159

Laurie

My point is that for the 50th time or so the point is not well meaning comments like everyone that I have seen from desertoddity.

And if i put words in .. I quickly remove them.

02/19/2008 01:19:51 AM · #160

Ok ... I have edited about 150 images... time to go beddy bye ...
This is a issue that really needs to go to poll ...

Something on the handling of abusive and /or unwanted comments needs to be done because the current system does have problems. Other methods have been offered. It may be time to take a look at those.

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

02/19/2008 01:20:44 AM · #161

Actually if you go back to all the discussions quite a few agreed that the comments under discussion were flaming and/or not appropriate and/or helpful.

Originally posted by desertoddity:

Originally posted by Katmystiry:
Why would anyone be afraid of making comments if they know they are not flaming a model or making a comment that is not relative to the image they are commenting on?

because i don't think some of the comments under discussion that the commenters thought they were flaming anyone. at least the SC didn't think so nor did a lot of other people, though some did.

Message edited by author 2008-02-19 01:22:53.

Brad

Olympus OM-D E-M1

02/19/2008 01:21:03 AM · #162

What's sad in all of this is that across the globe, it really is a "to each their own" kind of thing. We have seen a full range of models from near skin & bones to full-figured, and everything in between. If someone that really likes petite models is turned off by full-figured women and has nothing nice to say, then they should just skip on by. To each their own.
If I looked at an image and didn't think something in the pose was flattering, then the tactful way to approach that would be to make a suggestion like "When posing full-figured models, the light is best done from such & such an angle or a different PoV would not make a body part as prominent, etc " but when it's condensed into something like "her whatever is gross in that picture", well, that has no place here or anywhere else. I becomes a personal attack and not constructive.

All about tact and being considerate.
Rude or crude comments should be removed.

02/19/2008 01:30:45 AM · #163

what Brad said

02/19/2008 01:31:36 AM · #164

what Brad said

edit to say .. there is nothing wrong with making a comment that includes both the positive and the negative in a very constructive way and the comments being pointed out in all these threads, locked and unlocked, have not done that.

Message edited by author 2008-02-19 01:34:21.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

02/19/2008 01:31:39 AM · #165

Originally posted by nomad469:

Welcome to the internet! Actually, welcome to the real world. You think this is bad, try posting your photos on other sites the size of this and see what happens. Most have the same issues or worse. At least there is some moderation here even if you think it isn't as good as you like it to be. Just think about what is involved here. You are posting a photo that thousands around the world can see. Just think if you stapled the same photo out on the street somewhere what the reaction would be. Just a hunch but I'm guessing someone might think your subject needs a moustache at the very least. :)

Btw, I think you are distorting the facts a little. Commenters can't say whatever they want about a model.

Edited for clarity.

Message edited by author 2008-02-19 01:34:19.

lentil

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 135mm f/2.0L USM

02/19/2008 01:35:29 AM · #166

what Brad said too... amen to that!

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

02/19/2008 01:39:30 AM · #167

Originally posted by nomad469:

I don't get it.

You've only given one example of a comment that could be insulting.

That of Lance.

SC responds that nobody has reported it yet, hence it has not gone through any sort of 'current system' because whoever has not taken any action as is currently available.

There is no evidence shown that this comment is indeed insulting by intent and as far as we know, Lance is still in the dark regarding how his comment has been interpreted.

... and then you say that the current system is broken.

You further suggest that the treatment of abusive comments (which are dealt with in the current system) should be extended to comments that are merely unwanted.

Katmystiry - you asked why would anyone be afraid if they were confident that they weren't being abusive or flaming...

Simple answer - interpretation. People get emotional and attach other meanings to things that were not originally intended. The words used may be clumsy for poor language skills or complex thoughts which are a bit beyond the power of words (hence the adage regarding a picture vs 1000 words). Plenty of things out there have offense taken which is not called for. Browse up a few pages to see some examples provided by the SC. I a good chunk of people here have written comments that have been interpreted as abusive that most certainly haven't been.

This causes a general restriction of comments, including poorly thought out ones and in-depth comments that are tactful but negative and everything in between. In other words, people who are afraid of commenting even though they know their intent is benign.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/19/2008 01:43:18 AM · #168

A thought - instead of using your typing skills to contribute to this thread, try commenting on a few pictures instead. Be brave! But be tactful. Just think how much better the words could be used if spread around to a few portfolios.

dsterner

Canon EOS-40D

Tamron AF 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di II for Canon

02/19/2008 01:44:41 AM · #169

Originally posted by Melethia:

Well Said!

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

02/19/2008 01:47:33 AM · #170

Originally posted by Melethia:

You mean just ignore it and move on? What's the point of these forums if it's not to complain? :P

eschelar

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

02/19/2008 01:49:50 AM · #171

Originally posted by yanko:

Yeah, those were the words I was looking for.

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I wonder Nomad, is your wife afraid of what others might be thinking as well as what they might say? Does she understand how little difference there is? The good news is, it's usually nowhere near as bad as one could imagine.

oscarthepig

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.4G

02/19/2008 01:58:17 AM · #172

Originally posted by eschelar:

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