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 02/18/2008 01:53:34 PM · #76
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by Gordon:
So given the choice, would you, Alan, delete constructive negative comments on your images ?

If not, why do you think everyone else would ?


No, I absolutely would not remove negative comments on my images (and the vast, vast majority of them are checked as "helpful" because if they're truly constructive criticisms, I have learned from them). I'm not going to address the second question, because I've already answered it ad nauseum above, and I'm not going to sit here and repeat myself all day.


Where have you addressed it?

You stated you believe that would be the case, but nothing as to "why" you believe it.

Message edited by author 2008-02-18 13:55:07.
 02/18/2008 01:54:47 PM · #77
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Qart:
Tell me... exactly what do you learn from a comment that critisizes a models appearance. ...

Isn't that to be expected when you are using models for nude work? Suggestive nudes at that. Not side-lit artistic nudescapes...

Seems to be the only time Leroy makes the delete comments suggestion - when it's on a nude model.

Do you think Playboy is selective about the models it uses? Sure it does. If you're using nude models in a sexy, suggestive manner, then that model needs to be appealing to the viewing audience.

Did DrJOnes get a lot of negative comments regarding his models? Can't seem to remember him complaining much about comments.

In this line of work (suggestive nudes) the model IS important IMO.


Don't tell me you are advocating only super-models for nude ... because that would seriously affect my opinion of you.
 02/18/2008 01:56:12 PM · #78

Did DrJOnes get a lot of negative comments regarding his models? Can't seem to remember him complaining much about comments.

In this line of work (suggestive nudes) the model IS important IMO. [/quote]

Yeah actually he did. And we don't see him around much anymore do we. Wonder if there's a connection.
 02/18/2008 01:57:22 PM · #79
Just add a statistic to each profile about number of comments deleted and replace the comment with "This comment has been deleted by the photographer"

It'll become a stigma really quick if it shows you delete 95% of your comments or have had that many comments deleted.
 02/18/2008 01:59:22 PM · #80
Originally posted by Megatherian:
Just add a statistic to each profile about number of comments deleted and replace the comment with "This comment has been deleted by the photographer"

It'll become a stigma really quick if it shows you delete 95% of your comments or have had that many comments deleted.


I was thinking the same thing. It would definitely limit the abuse of the delete comment button.

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You know, at flickr, I have the ability to completely block any future contact with a commenter at all. That's a little extreme for a true photography site, but it does give me complete control over the image page.

Message edited by author 2008-02-18 14:01:17.
 02/18/2008 01:59:42 PM · #81
Please put your computer screens up against your ears. I'll type in all-caps so everyone can hear, since the rest of my posts on the subject are not being read, or they are mysteriously being translated into ancient Hebrew or something along the way:

ALLOWING PEOPLE TO REMOVE COMMENTS IS A BAD THING. IT IS A BAD THING BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL USE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE ANY AND ALL COMMENTS FROM THEIR PHOTOS, MUCH IN THE SAME WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE CURRENTLY ONLY CHOOSE TO MARK COMPLIMENTARY COMMENTS AS BEING "HELPFUL."

THIS IS A BAD THING BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO SUBMIT IMAGES ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO BENEFIT FROM READING THE COMMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, I ENJOY LOOKING AT OTHER PHOTOS ON THE SITE SUBMITTED BY OTHER PHOTOGRAPHERS, AND LEARNING FROM THE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS OFFERED THERE. IF THERE ARE NO CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS AND JUST A BUNCH OF COMPLIMENTS, I AND ANY OTHER PERSON WHO VIEWS THE SHOT CANNOT LEARN FROM THE CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LEFT AND SUBSEQUENTLY DELETED FROM THE SHOT.

I am done.

Message edited by author 2008-02-18 14:00:38.
 02/18/2008 02:01:27 PM · #82
Well, I'm glad we could have a mature discussion about this. :/
 02/18/2008 02:02:20 PM · #83
Sometimes you can learn/infer someone is an A$$ just by reading the comments they post. Which in my mind, results in them losing their credibility over time. Making them easy to ignore. The model may not know this but the rest of DPC will figure it out, usually within the first 3 months of their membership!

I think it is always appropriate to consider someone's feelings(particularly the model's) when leaving comments. The photog should be able to handle the tough punches. (Using "photog" generically, not specific to Leroy)

A comment about the 'fatness' of a model doesn't benefit the community as a whole. However a comment regarding the unflattering pose which accentuates the 'fatness' of a model can benefit the community, especially if a suggested correction is offered.
 02/18/2008 02:02:21 PM · #84
Originally posted by Louis:
... What does it ultimately matter that there exists a group of users, however large it may be, that will delete all constructive criticism from their images?

So why even bother commenting anymore (yes, I know there are personal learning benefits to commenting)? I think people would be inclined to just pass on leaving constructive comments altogether if time spent is just deleted at the quick click of a button.

The community at large wants MORE comments, not less. In the long run the impact of comments disappearing would GREATLY impact the makeup of this site in a negative manner.
 02/18/2008 02:02:39 PM · #85
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Please put your computer screens up against your ears. I'll type in all-caps so everyone can hear, since the rest of my posts on the subject are not being read, or they are mysteriously being translated into ancient Hebrew or something along the way:

ALLOWING PEOPLE TO REMOVE COMMENTS IS A BAD THING. IT IS A BAD THING BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL USE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE ANY AND ALL COMMENTS FROM THEIR PHOTOS, MUCH IN THE SAME WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE CURRENTLY ONLY CHOOSE TO MARK COMPLIMENTARY COMMENTS AS BEING "HELPFUL."

THIS IS A BAD THING BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO SUBMIT IMAGES ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO BENEFIT FROM READING THE COMMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, I ENJOY LOOKING AT OTHER PHOTOS ON THE SITE SUBMITTED BY OTHER PHOTOGRAPHERS, AND LEARNING FROM THE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS OFFERED THERE. IF THERE ARE NO CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS AND JUST A BUNCH OF COMPLIMENTS, I AND ANY OTHER PERSON WHO VIEWS THE SHOT CANNOT LEARN FROM THE CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LEFT AND SUBSEQUENTLY DELETED FROM THE SHOT.

I am done.


Wow, now I feel like I really am being treated like a child and I'm just trying to have a rational debate about this.

Maybe it was a mistake to come back. :(
 02/18/2008 02:03:12 PM · #86
'not an attractive belly' is constructive criticism ?

Now I understand my wife's comments to me so much better.
 02/18/2008 02:03:28 PM · #87
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Louis:
... What does it ultimately matter that there exists a group of users, however large it may be, that will delete all constructive criticism from their images?

So why even bother commenting anymore (yes, I know there are personal learning benefits to commenting)? I think people would be inclined to just pass on leaving constructive comments altogether if time spent is just deleted at the quick click of a button.

The community at large wants MORE comments, not less. In the long run the impact of comments disappearing would GREATLY impact the makeup of this site in a negative manner.

I think Gordon addressed this best (see above).
 02/18/2008 02:04:06 PM · #88
I can be plenty mature until people start twisting words into their own interpretations, and don't take time to read what I've typed. I'm bowing out of this conversation as I have said all that I wanted to say.

Originally posted by Louis:
Well, I'm glad we could have a mature discussion about this. :/
02/18/2008 02:04:16 PM · #89
Originally posted by alanfreed:


THIS IS A BAD THING BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO SUBMIT IMAGES ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO BENEFIT FROM READING THE COMMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, I ENJOY LOOKING AT OTHER PHOTOS ON THE SITE SUBMITTED BY OTHER PHOTOGRAPHERS, AND LEARNING FROM THE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS OFFERED THERE. IF THERE ARE NO CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS AND JUST A BUNCH OF COMPLIMENTS, I AND ANY OTHER PERSON WHO VIEWS THE SHOT CANNOT LEARN FROM THE CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LEFT AND SUBSEQUENTLY DELETED FROM THE SHOT.


Second this.

This is exactly what I use this site mostly for. To learn from others. And there is no better way to do so then to read what other people have to say. Be it positive or negative.

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 02/18/2008 02:06:12 PM · #90
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, I'm glad we could have a mature discussion about this. :/

Well what do you expect when the point has been made several times and the flack from a few keeps on coming?
 02/18/2008 02:06:59 PM · #91
Point one: allowing user-deletion of comments is, IMO, a horrible idea. If it ever happened, we'd see a huge dumbing down of the visible feedback on this site.

Point two: I'd have NO problem with adding to the ToS something like "negative comments on the appearance of human models is mean-spirited, hurtful to the models, serves no useful purpose. and will not be tolerated." End of problem...

R.
 02/18/2008 02:07:42 PM · #92
Originally posted by Gordon:
'not an attractive belly' is constructive criticism ?

Now I understand my wife's comments to me so much better.


LOL... yeah :-D

Ya know... I've "taken" all sorts of comments on a particular SP. I put a photo of me up in a not so attractive manner. I'll deal with those, because hey,it's me.

But, I tolerate a bit less about a third party. It IS unhelpful and quite RUDE, no matter how it's worded.
 02/18/2008 02:07:51 PM · #93
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Point two: I'd have NO problem with adding to the ToS something like "negative comments on the appearance of human models is mean-spirited, hurtful to the models, serves no useful purpose. and will not be tolerated." End of problem...


Until the commenting starts on pet portraits. If you think people are defensive about human models...
 02/18/2008 02:08:50 PM · #94
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, I'm glad we could have a mature discussion about this. :/

Well what do you expect when the point has been made several times and the flack from a few keeps on coming?


I wouldn't call counter points "Flack"
 02/18/2008 02:09:03 PM · #95
Originally posted by alanfreed:
I can be plenty mature until people start twisting words into their own interpretations, and don't take time to read what I've typed.

At least you recognize that might not have been the best response on the planet. In any event, nobody misrepresented what you said. They merely formulated an opinion on what your reasoning is, and asked a couple of pointed questions. Which, incidently, you didn't answer.
 02/18/2008 02:09:26 PM · #96
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Louis:
Well, I'm glad we could have a mature discussion about this. :/

Well what do you expect when the point has been made several times and the flack from a few keeps on coming?

I expect a professional and mature demeanor I guess.
 02/18/2008 02:10:00 PM · #97
The simplest solution would be just for the SC to give more weight to the photographer's opinion than the commentor's perceived right and delete more freely for reported posts.

If it really is valuable, constructive criticism then maybe leave it but err on the side of supporting the photographers.
02/18/2008 02:10:13 PM · #98
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Point one: allowing user-deletion of comments is, IMO, a horrible idea. If it ever happened, we'd see a huge dumbing down of the visible feedback on this site.

Point two: I'd have NO problem with adding to the ToS something like "negative comments on the appearance of human models is mean-spirited, hurtful to the models, serves no useful purpose. and will not be tolerated." End of problem...

R.


Robert, I could deal with point two, if SC is liberal with the implementation. IMO, if it's offensive enough for the photographer to report it, it SHOULD be deleted, no questions asked.
 02/18/2008 02:10:58 PM · #99
Originally posted by Gordon:
The simplest solution would be just for the SC to give more weight to the photographer's opinion than the commentor's perceived right and delete more freely for reported posts.

If it really is valuable, constructive criticism then maybe leave it but err on the side of supporting the photographers.


Hear Hear!

02/18/2008 02:11:35 PM · #100
Originally posted by Gordon:
The simplest solution would be just for the SC to give more weight to the photographer's opinion than the commentor's perceived right and delete more freely for reported posts.

If it really is valuable, constructive criticism then maybe leave it but err on the side of supporting the photographers.


I completely agree. It's a compromise that I think could easily be lived with on both sides and is what I suggested earlier.

The SC could also give the commenter a chance to reword their comment.

Message edited by author 2008-02-18 14:12:52.
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