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01/31/2008 02:21:33 PM · #26 |
hmm...interesting
Message edited by author 2008-01-31 14:22:16. |
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01/31/2008 02:30:01 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
You should probably just contact xxxxxxx directly, |
I certainly didn't want to name anybody.
Originally posted by Gordon:
ETA: Though it has to be said, a couple of minutes googling found several articles with the same title and a quick search on flickr found a load of images of the same composition with the same title too, though those could be yours I suppose. |
Now THAT is something I didn't realize or consider. Thanks.
edit to remove the name
Message edited by author 2008-01-31 14:44:15. |
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01/31/2008 02:31:09 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
One of the first defenses someone accused of being rude will use is "I was just being honest." No, you were being rude. There is a difference. |
I agree with a lot said in this thread but hate that it starts out with the above. It assumes that EVERYONE that is accused of being rude was being rude. Perhaps you could have said "Maybe you were not being honest but actually being rude?"
I think some people that say, "I was just being honest." actually WERE being honest and not attempting to be rude or offend but some people have thicker skin than others and some people take even helpful criticism as rude and invasive.
I hope people remember that text on a screen often gives NO indication of intent or mood or attitude. You cannot see the person's face or hear the tone of their voice with text.
I once quoted a fellow whose wife was gonna try to learn how to fly online and join us in our virtual air flights ... I added "How great is THAT!" ... well what a freaking row that turned out to be. It seems that phrase in the southern US is ONLY EVER used sarcastically and the recipient pictured me rolling my eyes and snickering as I typed it. Funny thing is MANY agreed that I had been rude and actually it was all a huge mistake as I was TICKLED PINK that another female was gonna join our virtual airline as we only had one or two out of hundreds of members at that point ...
Please be sure not to assume attitude and everyone's perfect command of the English language. Even those who speak very very good English and even those that speak it as a mother tongue cannot know all dialects and regional variations ... I usually give the speaker (typer) the benefit of the doubt.
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01/31/2008 02:33:54 PM · #29 |
Robert, here's one I found by googling:
//www.digitalphotoandart.com/image/details/scott_kelby/1890
Though to be honest, I like your version better. Maybe the photographer borrowed the idea from you, too? Hard to tell.
As for calling out people publicly, I have mixed feelings. I recently caused a stink on another site by ratting out some cheaters (fake accounts, vote swapping, etc.) I may have done more harm than good: unfairness revealed, more protections in place, everyone unhappy.
Message edited by author 2008-01-31 14:34:18. |
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01/31/2008 02:39:20 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think this is possibly a good way to tell if you are being rude, rather than being honest.
If you ever or often feel the need to defend comments you make as 'I was just being honest' or 'I just tell it like it is'
then you are in fact being rude. Easy test I think. |
I am truly sorry, but I totally disagree ... I tried to defend myself in the above situation by saying that I was just being honest and I was ... and polite ... and supportive and celebratory with the poster ...
That is almost like saying if someone accuses you of being rude, then you are, in fact, being rude. I am glad our courts system doesn't work that way. ROFL "Sorry but ... you are defending yourself so then you are in fact guilty.
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01/31/2008 02:42:28 PM · #31 |
| Thanks Larry. I have refrained from calling anybody out (now and over the past year) because it is usually a no win situation for everybody and can really get ugly. I actually feel uncomfortable about the name being mentioned (and I'd rather it be edited out). |
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01/31/2008 02:43:07 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think this is possibly a good way to tell if you are being rude, rather than being honest.
If you ever or often feel the need to defend comments you make as 'I was just being honest' or 'I just tell it like it is'
then you are in fact being rude. Easy test I think. |
I am truly sorry, but I totally disagree ... I tried to defend myself in the above situation by saying that I was just being honest and I was ... and polite ... and supportive and celebratory with the poster ... |
I should probably emphasize the 'often' more than the ever, so you are right. |
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01/31/2008 02:43:19 PM · #33 |
My criteria of commenting is if I can take it then they should be able to too..
It's sometimes hard keeping the balance between bluntness and politiness on the chirpy and nasty scale, but it's necessary if I need to get my message across.. what's the point of me commenting if the receiver only sees my attitude and offensive words and not what I mean to say..
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01/31/2008 02:43:45 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
Thanks Larry. I have refrained from calling anybody out (now and over the past year) because it is usually a no win situation for everybody and can really get ugly. I actually feel uncomfortable about the name being mentioned (and I'd rather it be edited out). |
I'll remove it, though it took me about 5 seconds to work it out from what you already posted - so you essentially posted it too. |
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01/31/2008 02:46:11 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'll remove it, though it took me about 5 seconds to work it out from what you already posted - so you essentially posted it too. |
Thanks. Too much detail calls somebody out, too little detail leaves people asking "WTF are you talking about". I tried to find a balance and now I'd rather just let it go. |
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01/31/2008 03:00:43 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
My criteria of commenting is if I can take it then they should be able to too..
It's sometimes hard keeping the balance between bluntness and politiness on the chirpy and nasty scale, but it's necessary if I need to get my message across.. what's the point of me commenting if the receiver only sees my attitude and offensive words and not what I mean to say.. |
There is nothing wrong with critiquing art or helping someone to improve... but I don't believe "This sucks" or "Dude, she's fat!" are critiques, but just immature stabs from assholes (to be blunt).
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01/31/2008 03:46:36 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by yakatme:
Thanks Larry. I have refrained from calling anybody out (now and over the past year) because it is usually a no win situation for everybody and can really get ugly. I actually feel uncomfortable about the name being mentioned (and I'd rather it be edited out). |
I found it easily as well. The title is obvious, she could have easily thought of it herself. Her picture is no less original than yours. You both saw something pretty and pointed your cameras at it. The equipment, skills and post-processing were different on both. The composition is actually significantly different, considering you both took a picture of the same thing.
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01/31/2008 03:54:31 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I found it easily as well. The title is obvious, she could have easily thought of it herself. Her picture is no less original than yours. You both saw something pretty and pointed your cameras at it. The equipment, skills and post-processing were different on both. The composition is actually significantly different, considering you both took a picture of the same thing. |
Originally posted by yakatme:
1. Do you see anything wrong with this or am I way off base here? |
Again, not the composition but the title. I understand that you see nothing wrong with the title because it has been used many times before ( a fact that I was not aware of) and that I am "way off base here".
O.K. |
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01/31/2008 07:58:39 PM · #39 |
| Leroy, I checked out the comments left for you on one of your recent entries, and I agree, there were a couple that were just RUDE. There's no way that they could be taken as constructive critism or whatever, they were just meant to be rude. I guess there's nothing you can do but accept the fact that some people enjoy being nasty to others and just be glad that you're not one of those people. But still...when you're presenting something that you put a lot of thought and work into and someone craps on it like that, it stings. It's unfortunate that people have to be like that. |
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01/31/2008 08:14:23 PM · #40 |
Interesting thread, because this is something I've worked on pretty much my entire life.
I think there are actually three options:
honest but supportive
honest but uncaring
rude
Let's say something isn't as sharp as the viewer would like.
honest but supportive: "This is pretty blurry. Don't know what you did exactly, but try a narrower aperture or a tripod."
honest but uncaring: "Way too blurry."
rude: "Do you know what "focus" means?"
I've often seen the second kind of comment, but rarely see the third. And the one guy called out above is more the second, too. I picture him going through life utterly unaware he's upsetting people. He's not nasty, he's not trying to be hurtful. He just doesn't understand that a little bit of sugar goes a long way in delivering criticism.
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01/31/2008 08:15:24 PM · #41 |
If it were me, and she were my friend, I'd (a) delete the stuff from your earlier message that makes it really easy to find (~30 seconds) and (b) tell her "hey, I know I'm probably being crazy but this bugs me." And if she were my friend she'd say something like "hey, sorry, I didn't mean it. And I didn't know you were so crazy." Then we'd laugh and it'd be a non-issue, rather than an ongoing thread.
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01/31/2008 09:51:51 PM · #42 |
What about the differences between rudeness and bluntness?
"cheesy as hell title"
Blunt?
Full blown rude?
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01/31/2008 10:04:25 PM · #43 |
I am blunt, and honest. Hopefully not rude.
To avoid being rude one must think about being in the other persons shoes as well as the relationship. A friend can tell me 'what the hell were you thinking?' and not be rude, but a stranger saying the exact same thing would be rude. Responding to a non sharp, poorly composed and undersize entry one is very tempted to respond 'WTF?'. To me that might be an appropriate coment as I 'know better' and such an entry from me would, er, should, be taken as an insult to DPC. But a newbie or 14 year old might be doing the best they can and not yet know more than what they've done with their entry.
So it's better to assume the entry is by a retarded, non english reading, computer illiterate 12 year old with a cheap camera phone - educate them rather than give some first reaction flippant response.
No, that's not easy to do all the time.
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01/31/2008 10:09:18 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Interesting thread, because this is something I've worked on pretty much my entire life.
I think there are actually three options:
honest but supportive
honest but uncaring
rude
Let's say something isn't as sharp as the viewer would like.
honest but supportive: "This is pretty blurry. Don't know what you did exactly, but try a narrower aperture or a tripod."
honest but uncaring: "Way too blurry."
rude: "Do you know what "focus" means?"
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Or option 4: I'm not sure why you've made this out of focus or slightly blurry, but I'll assume you've done it deliberately and consider what you've done and if it works or not. |
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01/31/2008 11:54:24 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Interesting thread, because this is something I've worked on pretty much my entire life.
I think there are actually three options:
honest but supportive
honest but uncaring
rude
Let's say something isn't as sharp as the viewer would like.
honest but supportive: "This is pretty blurry. Don't know what you did exactly, but try a narrower aperture or a tripod."
honest but uncaring: "Way too blurry."
rude: "Do you know what "focus" means?"
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Or option 4: I'm not sure why you've made this out of focus or slightly blurry, but I'll assume you've done it deliberately and consider what you've done and if it works or not. |
Yep, that's good, too. You'd think that I, as one of the original blur side challenge folks, would've considered that. :/
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02/01/2008 12:12:44 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
My criteria of commenting is if I can take it then they should be able to too..
It's sometimes hard keeping the balance between bluntness and politiness on the chirpy and nasty scale, but it's necessary if I need to get my message across.. what's the point of me commenting if the receiver only sees my attitude and offensive words and not what I mean to say.. |
There is nothing wrong with critiquing art or helping someone to improve... but I don't believe "This sucks" or "Dude, she's fat!" are critiques, but just immature stabs from assholes (to be blunt). |
uh.. I think my wording wasn't right there.. I meant to say the rude commenter wastes away their comment which may actually be insightful..
To the the one who says "she's fat" is "you're ugly, big deal"
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