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 01/28/2008 02:57:39 PM · #1226
Originally posted by Bruce_the_Robert:
That was my main rant, I guess, against DNMC comments from the place where I would come to escape the DNMC storm.


Rob, I'm not sure I'd characterize TS as simply as people who don't comment DNMC. To me, rather, TS is about going your own way. Shooting what you like, whether it matches DPC's typical shots or not.

I do try to keep a more open mind to various interpretations, and urge others to do the same. But I also do think that what sets DPC apart is the fact we have assignments. So I have no problem with someone telling me they think a shot is DNMC, from TS or not. The key words being "they think." That tells me I didn't connect with someone. If lots of people are saying it, and my score is lower than expected, then I know I missed the mark with this crowd at this time in this challenge. Doesn't mean I was wrong in some absolute sense, just that I didn't communicate what I'd intended.

And sometimes you get interesting results, like a high score, even when a lot of people say "DNMC," like on my "Alone in a Crowd" entry.
 01/28/2008 02:58:41 PM · #1227
As Mae chickened out from entering her beautiful bird shot, I feel it should still be seen by y'all.

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 01/28/2008 03:15:35 PM · #1228
Love it. You covered all bases with this one!

Originally posted by Bruce_the_Robert:
By the way, how do you all like my new identity?

So there!

Bruce (formerly "rheverly")
01/28/2008 03:20:43 PM · #1229
Originally posted by Bruce_the_Robert:
By the way, how do you all like my new identity?

So there!

Bruce (formerly "rheverly")


So, are you now 'Rob' and are we all to be Robs? Or are you Rob still signing as 'Bruce'? Or are you Bruce_the_Robert the artist formerly known as 'Bruce' aka rheverly??

SteveJ, formerly formerlee!! :)
 01/28/2008 04:58:03 PM · #1230
Originally posted by SteveJ:
Originally posted by Bruce_the_Robert:
By the way, how do you all like my new identity?

So there!

Bruce (formerly "rheverly")


So, are you now 'Rob' and are we all to be Robs? Or are you Rob still signing as 'Bruce'? Or are you Bruce_the_Robert the artist formerly known as 'Bruce' aka rheverly??

SteveJ, formerly formerlee!! :)


I definitely think you've all been Robbed . . .

*collective groan*

Bruce
 01/28/2008 05:16:12 PM · #1231
Originally posted by Bruce_the_Robert:
Thanks all who responded to my rant about DNMC votes from TSers. Don, and Deb, and Jeffrey, and everyone else is right (though of course it's 1a and not point 3); everyone has different ideas and ideals. I just wondered why folks who are "here" (in TS) are still thinking along those lines (I haven't DNMC'd a shot in ages, but certainly not since I joined TS). That was my main rant, I guess, against DNMC comments from the place where I would come to escape the DNMC storm. And I don't want to "out" anyone here in the thread; the image stands for itself, I really like it, it got a fav during voting from a friend who didn't know it was mine, and the comments are there for all to judge on their own merit!


Well, i will "out" myself. As I posted the "title dependant" comment on your 6 entry. :)

The reasoning was simple. Regardless of how broadly you choose to interpret the challenge description, it is in the end a challenge based on trying create an image for the viewers which conveys something related to the description. It is not a free study. Your photo is a great image. If I had seen this shot in a free study I would give it a rating of 7 because I know the difficulty involved in getting that exposure right, timing it right to get the blur, and putting your camera on the tripod and having the brians enough to realize the image you had intended to create. I applaud your vision and the way in which you carried it out.

That being said, lets get back to that nasty "challenge description" thing. If you take away the title of your image, ordinary folks with little pea sized brains such as myself (although most of us died out millions of years ago) would not look at this image and say "oh, six". I would look at the image and say that it was a great study in motion or night photography, or just a great photo too look at, but I would not have thought anything to do with "six".

As a result, I was honest and mentioned that it was to title dependent for my liking in this challenge. I tend to be on the opposite end of the spectrum from Don on the title descriptions. My personal feeling is that they should be much tighter so that everyone is shooting on the same playing field. Explore your creativeness within the challenge description and it is still an OOBIE. Express it outside of the challenge description and it is still a great photo, but should be entered in a free study, not a themed challenge, as the theme is there for a reason.

Please do not take offence to my bluntness. I am simply trying to answer your questions to the motivation behind my comment. It is a great photo, but not for "six", but it is of course just my single opinion and others disagree with it, which is totally ok.

Ernie (the TS blacksheep...)
 01/28/2008 05:22:53 PM · #1232
Originally posted by basssman7:
Well, i will "out" myself. As I posted the "title dependant" comment on your 6 entry. :)

The reasoning was simple. Regardless of how broadly you choose to interpret the challenge description, it is in the end a challenge based on trying create an image for the viewers which conveys something related to the description. It is not a free study. Your photo is a great image. If I had seen this shot in a free study I would give it a rating of 7 because I know the difficulty involved in getting that exposure right, timing it right to get the blur, and putting your camera on the tripod and having the brians enough to realize the image you had intended to create. I applaud your vision and the way in which you carried it out.

That being said, lets get back to that nasty "challenge description" thing. If you take away the title of your image, ordinary folks with little pea sized brains such as myself (although most of us died out millions of years ago) would not look at this image and say "oh, six". I would look at the image and say that it was a great study in motion or night photography, or just a great photo too look at, but I would not have thought anything to do with "six".

As a result, I was honest and mentioned that it was to title dependent for my liking in this challenge. I tend to be on the opposite end of the spectrum from Don on the title descriptions. My personal feeling is that they should be much tighter so that everyone is shooting on the same playing field. Explore your creativeness within the challenge description and it is still an OOBIE. Express it outside of the challenge description and it is still a great photo, but should be entered in a free study, not a themed challenge, as the theme is there for a reason.

Please do not take offence to my bluntness. I am simply trying to answer your questions to the motivation behind my comment. It is a great photo, but not for "six", but it is of course just my single opinion and others disagree with it, which is totally ok.

Ernie (the TS blacksheep...)


Even with this, I'm still not sure how a six second exposure doesn't relate to the number six . . . perhaps I, too, am just ordinary folk. Thanks for your honesty, Ernie, it helps me place things in a clearer perspective.

Bruce
 01/28/2008 05:34:54 PM · #1233
Originally posted by Bruce_the_Robert:

Even with this, I'm still not sure how a six second exposure doesn't relate to the number six . . . perhaps I, too, am just ordinary folk. Thanks for your honesty, Ernie, it helps me place things in a clearer perspective.

Bruce


No problem Bruce. I guess you could say that without the title, it could just as easily have been a faster moving vehicle with a shorter exposure, or a slower one with a longer exposure. I have not reached the point of being able to look at a photo and say "that is exactly a 6 second exposure" without knowing anything about the situation at hand. Yes, I could certainly try to put it together on my own, given the challenge description. However in my little world, which I will again state is not necessarily the "correct" world, the photo should suggest the challenge description, not the other way around.

Thanks for taking my explanation in the constructive, non-threatening way it was intended.

Ernie
01/28/2008 06:51:57 PM · #1234
Originally posted by basssman7:
I tend to be on the opposite end of the spectrum from Don on the title descriptions. My personal feeling is that they should be much tighter so that everyone is shooting on the same playing field.


I'm not really advocating "loose" challenge descriptions. There is an art to making a challenge description that fosters creativity rather than inhibiting it. For example, I *like* minimal editing rules. I *like* technical challenges such as 2-second exposure. I don't like when challenge descriptions cross the line and start telling you how to interpret the challenge. Frames, for example:

"Compose your subject so that it is "framed" on at least two sides with either foreground or background elements."

My biggest problem with this is that it talks about "subject", as so many challenge descriptions do. A lot of great photographs don't have subjects. Once in a while, it would be okay to talk about "subject", but not repeatedly. The thought that photographs need to be representations of a subject is inhibiting a lot of photographers, imho.

But restrictions? I don't mind them at all. "Take a photo while standing on one foot." Great! "Take a photo with your eyes closed." Yeah! "Take a picture that looks like it was taken with a 19th century camera." Alright! "All of the above." Bring it on!
 01/28/2008 07:24:58 PM · #1235
Take a photo while sitting in the tub. hmmm, maybe not.
 01/28/2008 07:26:52 PM · #1236
Originally posted by posthumous:
The thought that photographs need to be representations of a subject is inhibiting a lot of photographers, imho.


Inhibiting in respect of your own photographic criteria, but that's ok, as I apparently share them. I'm thinking that's a reason why my bird is flying over and under the five wire, because I was more concerned with the picture than the bird. (Woulda been at least a 5.3 else).
 01/28/2008 08:11:28 PM · #1237
Originally posted by Bruce_the_Robert:
By the way, how do you all like my new identity?

So there!

Bruce (formerly "rheverly")


Hey, you need to PM me if you do things like this. I don't always get through the TS forums, and might miss an announcement made here.

Thanks to quiet_observation for covering for me on Sunday. I flew back from California that day, and didn't anticipate getting a migraine on the flight (and worse things once I got home) that kept me offline. I should be fine for tomorrow night, and I might have something to enter in the open challenges later tonight. Woo!

01/28/2008 08:46:20 PM · #1238
Hi all

Ok purple, the race for 4.4 is on!...even if your legs are a couple inches longer than mine...:-)

Maybe I should join the Robs, they seem to be having an awful lot of fun...I could be the Robbert Bride...:-)

Deb, I'm not sure, but was Robert the Shrubberer a Monty Python character?...

Ernie, feeling baaad that it took me this long to watch the DVD you bothered to burn and send me...lots of good basic stuff, but the technical stuff is making my head spin! Now I just have to go do nothing but shoot for a couple hours each day for the next few weeks, then I can submit some decent pix and get back up into 5 range.

Oh yeah, Octopussy says to tell everyone that he's getting a girlfriend soon. I'm planning on adopting a female kitten or young adult cat to a) keep him company when I'm not here, b) learn from him and c) not get bigger than him, which is why I decided to get a girl, so she hopefully won't pound on him. I'd like to find a tortoiseshell cause they're so whacked, one would fit right in here! But I'll keep my eyes and options open...oh yes she has to learn to let me take her picture too...
 01/28/2008 09:27:31 PM · #1239
Originally posted by Bruce_the_Robert:
By the way, how do you all like my new identity?
So there!
Bruce (formerly "rheverly")


For those of you that were totally baffled by this reference and afraid to admit it ... I hereby submit a short research project that I did on Mamma.com ... (which I think is WAY superior to Google for pertinent results ... try it)

I assume that Bruce the Robert is a take-off on Robert the Bruce ... I may be wrong ...

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ROBERT THE BRUCE, was the grandson of the Robert Bruce who tried to get the throne after the death of Alexander 111. He was descended from the great King David 1, since he was the great-grandson of Isabel, the daughter of the Earl of Huntingdon who in turn was the grandson of David 1.

Robert I, the Bruce (1274-1329)
Robert Bruce is surely the greatest of all the great Scottish heroes, yet the Hollywood movie Braveheart gave all the heroics to his compatriot William Wallace, making Bruce out to be nothing more than a self-serving opportunist. However, it was the patience and cunning of Bruce that Scotland needed, not the impetuousness of Wallace, especially facing such formidable enemies as the English, first under Edward I and then under his son and heir Edward II. Bruce bided his time; he first had to establish his authority as King of Scotland. By the time of Bannockburn, he was ready.

Robert Bruce(1274 to 1329), Earl of Carrick, one of the seven Celtic earldoms of Scotland. Crowned King of Scots in 1306. Descended indirectly from King William the Lyon of Scotland. Spent early part of life in court of Edward 1 of England, after Bruce lands were dispossesed by King John Baliol. Eliminated life rival to the throne John Comyn (The Red) by murdering him at the altar of Greyfriar's Kirk in Dumfries.
 01/28/2008 10:07:35 PM · #1240
Originally posted by Greetmir:
Eliminated life rival to the throne John Comyn (The Red) by murdering him at the altar of Greyfriar's Kirk in Dumfries.


um... should I be worried?
 01/28/2008 10:12:47 PM · #1241
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Greetmir:
Eliminated life rival to the throne John Comyn (The Red) by murdering him at the altar of Greyfriar's Kirk in Dumfries.


um... should I be worried?


avoid all kirks, just to be safe
 01/28/2008 10:13:24 PM · #1242
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Greetmir:
Eliminated life rival to the throne John Comyn (The Red) by murdering him at the altar of Greyfriar's Kirk in Dumfries.


um... should I be worried?


I'd avoid churches if I were you.
 01/28/2008 10:14:14 PM · #1243
lol krnodil was 37 seconds faster than me on that one :)
 01/28/2008 10:15:00 PM · #1244
heh, heh. but at least you provided a translation for "kirk"...
 01/28/2008 11:01:22 PM · #1245
Great minds think alike :p
 01/28/2008 11:21:33 PM · #1246
I have to avoid the evil kirk AND the good kirk???
 01/28/2008 11:26:08 PM · #1247
Any kirk. Kirks bad.
 01/28/2008 11:28:24 PM · #1248
Btw, just downloaded a trial version of Tiffen Dfx, and it's so much fun :) If you're at all into filters and post-processing, give it a shot - you get a 15-day free trial to play with it.
 01/28/2008 11:31:12 PM · #1249
personas non grata...

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 01/28/2008 11:43:03 PM · #1250
Anyone awake and willing to help me pick out a shot to enter? Standard "self destruct" disclaimers apply..
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