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01/15/2008 09:54:36 AM · #51 |
(copied and pasted from wiki)
Copyright is a legal concept enacted by most national governments that gives the creator of an original work exclusive rights to it, usually for a limited period of time. At its most general, it is literally "the right to copy", but also gives the copyright holder the right to be credited for the work, to determine who (if anyone) can perform it or adapt it to other forms, to benefit financially from the work, and other related rights. It is one form of intellectual property (distinct from patents, trademarks, and trade secrets), and applies to any particular expression of an idea or information, which is substantial and self-contained in a fixed form.
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So yes, the design of a car is copyrighted, just as your photos are.
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01/15/2008 10:00:06 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by digitalpins:
adding to my post above...
I read alot of magazines or watch alot of television shows and I see people customized mustangs or toyotas all over magazines/calendars or the shows I watch.
Do they have to get permission from ford to sell them or show them? |
Television shows and magazines are editorial content, where as calendars, posters, etc are not. So yes, if you make a calendar featuring someone's trademarked product, even if you scrape the logo off of it (Mustangs have a recognizable shape) you do have to have to get permission from the trademark holder to publish. Whereas, if you run a magazine, 'zine, TV show, or any other editorial publication, you are free to post as many Mustang pics as you want.
FWIW, DPC for the most part is editorial content, so noone here is in danger of getting sued by Ford, unless you are selling prints, then it's kinda iffy.
You know you can't get aftermarket Mustang parts with Mustang or Ford logos on them that aren't licensed by Ford, ie valve covers, breathers and such?
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01/15/2008 10:03:32 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by cryingdragon:
OK...so I read the letter. From what I understand is that they don't want people associating themselves with the Ford name. So therefore, if I were a professional photographer, I drove out to location in my Ford truck, or daresay, my Mustang, and pulled my equipment out of it (in a location where people could see me), then the perception could be that I'm using the status of my vehicle (which I have the title for) to further my business. And then they would be entitled to ask for part of my profits or give me a cease and desist for driving my vehicle for the purpose of business. |
If you called yourself "Ford Motor Company Photography", yeah, you may have a problem. But simply using the car/truck as it was intended does not infringe on any copyrights Ford owns.
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01/15/2008 10:06:07 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by cryingdragon:
OK...so I read the letter. From what I understand is that they don't want people associating themselves with the Ford name. So therefore, if I were a professional photographer, I drove out to location in my Ford truck, or daresay, my Mustang, and pulled my equipment out of it (in a location where people could see me), then the perception could be that I'm using the status of my vehicle (which I have the title for) to further my business. And then they would be entitled to ask for part of my profits or give me a cease and desist for driving my vehicle for the purpose of business.
Yes, that may be taking it to an extreme, but it follows the intent of their letter. |
Mike, Mike... puff puff pass man :-P
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01/15/2008 10:09:23 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Fix Or Repair Daily |
Yep, I bought a new Ford truck, 24,000 miles before the transmission went out... Not bad for a Ford!
1994 Honda, 165,000, tires, brakes, battery, timing belt for good measure. |
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01/15/2008 10:12:17 AM · #56 |
| As far as the Logo, most companies need to control the use of a logo on what it would consider an ad, a calender would be considered and ad and it is best to ask before printing. |
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01/15/2008 10:24:28 AM · #57 |
First On Race Day!
I like Fords. :-) |
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01/15/2008 10:26:15 AM · #58 |
I'm waiting for a creative acronym about the case itself... I'm busting my head, but nothing has come to me... lol
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01/15/2008 10:40:33 AM · #59 |
Found On Road Dead & Frequently On Road Delay
Ford Owners Recommend Dodge
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Television shows and magazines are editorial content, where as calendars, posters, etc are not. |
Thank fotomann_forever, but still does not sound right to me for Ford to do this, they are pissing off their customers especially since its a Mustang Club whom all own them..lol makes me not want to get a Mustang now.... still sounds like the record companies to me
Message edited by author 2008-01-15 10:43:40.
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01/15/2008 10:47:30 AM · #60 |
Ford Owners' Rights Denied?
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01/16/2008 06:10:54 AM · #61 |
| OK I get Fords position, it's the same with buildings you can photograph them but can't sell the photos without permission. But how does work with street photography. Street photos are often jam packed with buildings and cars, it seems to me that's a can of worms waiting to be opened. Or is Street somehow exempt? |
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01/16/2008 06:25:54 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by Cam:
Seems to me Ford should concentrate on declining car sales, loss of market share and poor profits.
But what do I know. |
Yup, you got it. When the new CMC* comes out with the 6,000 bux electric car that will carry 4 passengers 350 miles on a single charge, then it will be all over with for Ford, and Chevy and the others. Their logos will be up for grabs and you might be able to buy them.
*CMC=Chinese Motor Company.
Pretty soon the only thing the US manufactures will be babies and doo doo. |
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01/16/2008 06:27:33 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Ford Owners' Rights Denied? |
They give up their rights when they buy a Ford.
Except the right to fix or repair daily! LOL |
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01/16/2008 07:23:28 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Fix Or Repair Daily |
Yep, I bought a new Ford truck, 24,000 miles before the transmission went out... Not bad for a Ford!
1994 Honda, 165,000, tires, brakes, battery, timing belt for good measure. |
And I had a 93 taurus with 184000 miles and it was still running the original exhaust - and here in PA where the salt the roads in the winter that's very rare.
And if you have to fix a ford (or gm or dodge) the cost of parts is 1/2 or less that of any japanese car, even if they build 'em here. And you pay more to buy them. So they are not necessarily cheaper to own.
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01/16/2008 09:13:14 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Cam:
Seems to me Ford should concentrate on declining car sales, loss of market share and poor profits.
But what do I know. |
Yup, you got it. When the new CMC* comes out with the 6,000 bux electric car that will carry 4 passengers 350 miles on a single charge, then it will be all over with for Ford, and Chevy and the others. Their logos will be up for grabs and you might be able to buy them.
*CMC=Chinese Motor Company.
Pretty soon the only thing the US manufactures will be babies and doo doo. |
Yup... You know, I drive a lot of rentals for work and they have a number of different brands in the same class, so I get to drive a lot of miles in various options. I find it amazing Ford (and GM) have a hard time understanding the dropping sales... You only have to drive their cars vs. some competitors to know exactly what is happening - particularly some of the Japanese & Koren brands. It's not an imports vs. domestic thing either, as a number of them are assembled in the US anyway.
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01/16/2008 10:51:43 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Yup, you got it. When the new CMC* comes out with the 6,000 bux electric car that will carry 4 passengers 350 miles on a single charge, then it will be all over with for Ford, and Chevy and the others. Their logos will be up for grabs and you might be able to buy them.
*CMC=Chinese Motor Company.
Pretty soon the only thing the US manufactures will be babies and doo doo. |
Do you not remember the Yugo and how big of a success it was going to be? Everyone that bought one got stuck with the PoS.
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01/16/2008 11:47:04 AM · #67 |
There is an aspect of trademark law that nobody is touching on here; it's called "Protect it or lose it". The courts have consistently ruled that if a corporation does not take active steps to protect its trademarks etc, they move into the public domain. A good example of this is "kleenex", which is now a generic name for a facial tissue even though it began as a specific, trademarked product, and in fact is STILL a specific, trademarked product. Ford, and nay other corporation, really has no choice, legally speaking, except to protect their trademarks in this manner.
R.
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01/16/2008 11:54:31 AM · #68 |
Lalalalalala!! |
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01/16/2008 11:55:00 AM · #69 |
One of my friends sent me that in a personal e-mail the other day. I guess he's familiar with copyright issues because someone tried to do the same thing to him.
They way I see it, if you bought the car, it's yours. You have the right to drive it, wreck it, leave it in the garage and never drive it, or take pictures of it. I guess I have to ask how Ford feels about classified ads. A lot of people here take pictures of their vehicle they're trying to sell and include it with their ad in the newspaper. |
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01/16/2008 12:03:51 PM · #70 |
dont know if any of you saw this but.... their is an update in the original link and it looks like it was resolved
UPDATE: The issue has been resolved. Ford Car Communication's Whitney Drake tells us "Mustang (and other car owners) can take pictures of their cars and make calendars and sell them to whomever they like. They can't however use Ford logos in the calendar." She further clarifies, "The club (Black Mustang Club) and cafe press (or another printer) now has permission to print the calendar. Apparently, CafePress misunderstood the intent of an earlier communication from Ford regarding the use of trademarks on other products they sold when it told Black Mustang Club it would not print its calendars.
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01/16/2008 12:26:16 PM · #71 |
So it wasn't Ford at fault, it was CafePress trying to protect someone else' copyright.
Now where are the apologies for Ford, and do we want to burn CafePress at the stake without a trial (and apparently all the information)?
I see a WITCH! Lets go get her! Follow me!
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01/16/2008 12:27:58 PM · #72 |
lol..... ok so Ford I guess I owe you an apology but first one last stab at your name
Federation Of Recycled Datsuns
First On Recall Day
For the Ford Ranger
F*&%
Our
Ranger
Died
And Ford Backwords
Driver
Returns
On
Foot
Message edited by author 2008-01-16 12:31:34.
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01/16/2008 12:30:51 PM · #73 |
Might have already been said BUT. EDIT - Blah digital pins got to it also!
If you read the entire thing.
Youll see this "UPDATE: The issue has been resolved. Ford Car Communication's Whitney Drake tells us "Mustang (and other car owners) can take pictures of their cars and make calendars and sell them to whomever they like. They can't however use Ford logos in the calendar." She further clarifies, "The club (Black Mustang Club) and cafe press (or another printer) now has permission to print the calendar. Apparently, CafePress misunderstood the intent of an earlier communication from Ford regarding the use of trademarks on other products they sold when it told Black Mustang Club it would not print its calendars."
However
Ford did recently go after every ford/mustang magazine with cease and desist orders to stop publication and pay them 5,000 a peice....... and i sadly work for an affiliate of this company it sucks.
Message edited by author 2008-01-16 12:31:49.
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01/16/2008 01:32:12 PM · #74 |
After owning a few Fords over the years, as well as renting them on business trips, I can honestly say that I will never buy a Ford again. Over that past 10 years or so, I've been a Honda fan and owner. From the the CRX to the Civic to the Odyssey to the Accord--all great automobiles.
However, I've recently bought a Lexus and, WOW!, I should have bought Lexus a long time ago. I worked on an extended project at Toyota's North American headquarters a few years ago and we could buy Lexuses (Lexii?) or Toyotas at cost. I kick myself for not taking advantage of those offers.
At any rate, my Lexus is the best motor carriage I've ever owned. :-)
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01/16/2008 01:51:49 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Yup, you got it. When the new CMC* comes out with the 6,000 bux electric car that will carry 4 passengers 350 miles on a single charge, then it will be all over with for Ford, and Chevy and the others. Their logos will be up for grabs and you might be able to buy them.
*CMC=Chinese Motor Company.
Pretty soon the only thing the US manufactures will be babies and doo doo. |
No, CMC = Chinese Yugo
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