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01/15/2008 12:48:44 AM · #1 |
Great shot by BHuseman and I see it was prevalidated, but I'll tell you, I would have sworn up and down this was illegal in anything outside expert editing. Have the rules changed? or just reinterpreted?
At the risk of hijacking my own thread, I'll say that I cannot fathom how a sporadic participant to this site could possible figure out the nuance of the challenge rules. I've been here for, what, going on three years now. I log on nearly every day. I post nearly every day. I would have sworn that border was illegal. |
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01/15/2008 12:50:57 AM · #2 |
Been done a while, Doc.
I know I had seen it on DPC before this.
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01/15/2008 12:57:07 AM · #3 |
I was wondering the same thing myself.
Doc is right, it is a great shot, but to quote the rule set
You may: add a border to the outside edge of your entry.
How is this, or Leroy's (also a cool image) border on the outside edge? Clearly the image is in the border area.
I also think this runs into the "Added element" issue since the border is now a design element intertwined with the image.
Just would like to know the SC's logic on this.
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01/15/2008 01:01:40 AM · #4 |
Borders confuse me. I never know what's legal and what's not. I thought that this shot by Jorge at the time wasn't legal as it seemed to serve to create uncluttered space for text rather than function as just a border but obviously that passed validation.
But to get back to the original photo how thick can you make that kind of border? It seems to me you have already created the subject popping out of the picture effect so could you have made the border so thick that it wiped out the chair?
Message edited by author 2008-01-15 01:04:34.
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01/15/2008 01:07:51 AM · #5 |
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Message edited by author 2008-01-15 02:24:51. |
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01/15/2008 01:12:05 AM · #6 |
My thought is that Advanced allows for masking of data layers... so ... my border layer is merely masked.
This WOULD be illegal in Basic that allows no masks.
Message edited by author 2008-01-15 01:12:18.
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01/15/2008 01:13:05 AM · #7 |
FWIW, I wasn't brave enough to let the antenna extend through the red border. I asked for prevalidation on another issue but thought the border was a no-no. |
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01/15/2008 01:31:45 AM · #8 |
I did find this from Kirbic back in September which seems to indicate that I've been in the dark instead of there being a reinterpretation:
Originally posted by kirbic: It's also a border, albeit a very OOB one. There is no doubt that is what it is, and it does not masquerade as part of the image.
FWIW, we've allowed "breakout" of the image through the border, even in Advanced. |
I would say that the "outer edge" portion of the rules is pretty confusing on this point. |
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01/15/2008 01:57:04 AM · #9 |
It definitely gave BHusemans shot an extra bit of oomph. It made a very strong entry even better. |
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01/15/2008 08:53:05 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by mpeters: It definitely gave BHusemans shot an extra bit of oomph. It made a very strong entry even better. |
While I agree, there are many voters here that HATE boreders, especially those that interact with the image.
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01/15/2008 09:21:47 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
...there are many voters here that HATE boreders, especially those that interact with the image. |
If this was a standard photo, I would not approve of the border interaction, however, this type of shot is more gimicky and purposefully created, and therefore the Border adds to the composition. I could see the shot in the opening post in a snowboard magazine or something... |
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01/15/2008 10:29:48 AM · #12 |
I don't know if I am flattered or offended. In keeping with the spirit of the Ford thread, I could ask who authorzied my image to be duplicated in this forum? (That was a joke, for clarification, the rest of this post isn't.)
Anyways, I had seen the border on an image a while back of a Hippo and remembered it. I then added it to my image and requested SC to approve the border before the voting began.
While I may not compete in every challenge every week, I would say that i have been active on this site in the forums and the challenges, therefore, I would have to take offense to the comments that you don't know how a sporadic participant to this site can figure out the nuance of the challenge. Sometimes you don't have to figure out nuances for yourself, you just have to know when to raise your hand and ask.
I could never claim to have a fraction of the talent that you have when it comes to photography or this site, and I accept that. What I don't accept is the fact that people who have talent such as yours have to have such egos to back it up. Assuming that I am not smart enough to figure out a set of rules because I am not as active as a member as you are is ludicrous.
If it makes the rest of you feel better, then please SC, overturn my image validation and set the precedence that this type of border is not allowed.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Great shot by BHuseman and I see it was prevalidated, but I'll tell you, I would have sworn up and down this was illegal in anything outside expert editing. Have the rules changed? or just reinterpreted?
At the risk of hijacking my own thread, I'll say that I cannot fathom how a sporadic participant to this site could possible figure out the nuance of the challenge rules. I've been here for, what, going on three years now. I log on nearly every day. I post nearly every day. I would have sworn that border was illegal. |
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01/15/2008 10:37:14 AM · #13 |
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01/15/2008 10:53:29 AM · #14 |
Ben,
Go for flattered! ;-) I think you misinterpreted Jason's comments. I don't think he was calling you out or anything. That's not his style.
You did the right thing with the prevalidation. You shot is impressive, with or without the border. Congrats on your placement and execution.
I think what he was going for, and what I am too, is asking the SC how does this border treatment jive with the stated rule?
Again, congrats and thanks for pushing the envelope a little here so that we all can get better clarification on the rules so maybe we can utilize this treatment as well.
Originally posted by BHuseman: I don't know if I am flattered or offended. In keeping with the spirit of the Ford thread, I could ask who authorzied my image to be duplicated in this forum? (That was a joke, for clarification, the rest of this post isn't.)
Anyways, I had seen the border on an image a while back of a Hippo and remembered it. I then added it to my image and requested SC to approve the border before the voting began.
While I may not compete in every challenge every week, I would say that i have been active on this site in the forums and the challenges, therefore, I would have to take offense to the comments that you don't know how a sporadic participant to this site can figure out the nuance of the challenge. Sometimes you don't have to figure out nuances for yourself, you just have to know when to raise your hand and ask.
I could never claim to have a fraction of the talent that you have when it comes to photography or this site, and I accept that. What I don't accept is the fact that people who have talent such as yours have to have such egos to back it up. Assuming that I am not smart enough to figure out a set of rules because I am not as active as a member as you are is ludicrous.
If it makes the rest of you feel better, then please SC, overturn my image validation and set the precedence that this type of border is not allowed.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Great shot by BHuseman and I see it was prevalidated, but I'll tell you, I would have sworn up and down this was illegal in anything outside expert editing. Have the rules changed? or just reinterpreted?
At the risk of hijacking my own thread, I'll say that I cannot fathom how a sporadic participant to this site could possible figure out the nuance of the challenge rules. I've been here for, what, going on three years now. I log on nearly every day. I post nearly every day. I would have sworn that border was illegal. | |
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01/15/2008 11:00:51 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by scarbrd: how does this border treatment jive with the stated rule? |
The border in this case goes around the outside edge of the photo as required (the rule was put in place to prevent breaking a single photo into a diptych/triptych). Photos with objects breaking out of the border have been validated many times before. |
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01/15/2008 11:14:29 AM · #16 |
Where can I learn how to do a border like that? I thought there was a tutorial for the little kid and the baseball glove but I cant find it. |
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01/15/2008 11:30:13 AM · #17 |
I was not point at you at all Benjamin as a "sporadic" participant. I was rather just referring to a generic participant who doesn't frequent the forums and maybe enters once a month or even less. My point was that if I could be confused (and apparently I was) while being a heavy participant, how is the poor soul who is only a light participant supposed to navigate the tangle of rules?
The rule, like many, is subjective and I'm sure we could come up with a contrived border that would fit the letter of the rule but be rejected. I really didn't even want to point your shot out because I like it and saw you said it was validated, but it's the only way I can learn exactly what is what around here.
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01/15/2008 11:37:56 AM · #18 |
I don't know of a tutorial, but this is what I did.
I createda duplicate layer. On the top layer I I drew a rectangular (in this case square) marquee where I want the border to be. I then Inversed the selection and filled it black. I then added a layer mask and I painted black on the mask where I wanted the border to stick through the border.
Originally posted by Chinabun: Where can I learn how to do a border like that? I thought there was a tutorial for the little kid and the baseball glove but I cant find it. |
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01/15/2008 11:38:38 AM · #19 |
I appreciate that you weren't talking about me, it just appeared that way when I read your post.
Originally posted by DrAchoo: I was not point at you at all Benjamin as a "sporadic" participant. I was rather just referring to a generic participant who doesn't frequent the forums and maybe enters once a month or even less. My point was that if I could be confused (and apparently I was) while being a heavy participant, how is the poor soul who is only a light participant supposed to navigate the tangle of rules?
The rule, like many, is subjective and I'm sure we could come up with a contrived border that would fit the letter of the rule but be rejected. I really didn't even want to point your shot out because I like it and saw you said it was validated, but it's the only way I can learn exactly what is what around here. |
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