What the Heck Is Time Lapse? - DPChallenge Forums

01/04/2008 05:31:13 PM · #52

Originally posted by Nuzzer:

Originally posted by roz:
i havent read all this thread but i thought i'd stick this in here just in case other ppl dont fully understand the time lapse rules like me .. originally it was entered in the time lapse challenge, i've withdrawn it and now its going in our 'where you live' side challenge ..

the image you see here is totally unposed ..
tim was moving towards where they tee off, bending down and then after hitting the ball ..
i thought it satisfied the challenge .. i was wrong ..
pam Frisca wrote back from the site council to tell me that wot i've done opens the door to images like kiwiness's 'all my brothers' (included in my photographer's comments).. i dont fully agree with that ruling .. but then i dont fully understand the concept of time lapse photography ..
i would'v thought that if you show an object(s) moving thru the frame with multiple exposures then it would satisfy the challenge .. (whether its a natural phenomena, like the moon moving thru the heavens for example, or a person moving thru a scene .. )

Having read this I suspect that half the entries already submitted will be DQ'd. Where is the moon when you need it?

Am sorry, why doesn't this fit the challenge? I've spent a lot of time preparing for this challenge and for me this fits time lapse perfectly - have I missed something?

*edited to say*
If this is DQ'able the SC are going to be innundated with DQ requests and if there are (say) 50 requests they might be sent 500 6.5mb images to peruse!

Message edited by author 2008-01-04 17:35:18.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/04/2008 05:48:01 PM · #53

Originally posted by MaryO:

I thought the shot of the girl doing the long jump in the earlier post was the same concept as your golfer (camera frame stays the same as subject moves through, then overlay).

Well, not quite. The long jump was a single, continuous natural motion. While it's true that the camera didn't move in the golfer shot and the shots were taken over a period of time, the subject made many different motions and then the photographer picked out various frames from those unrelated motions to show different poses. In that respect, it's exactly the same as this:

Ecce_Signum

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

01/04/2008 05:50:02 PM · #54

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by MaryO:

I thought the shot of the girl doing the long jump in the earlier post was the same concept as your golfer (camera frame stays the same as subject moves through, then overlay).

Well, not quite. The long jump was a single, continuous natural motion. While it's true that the camera didn't move in the golfer shot and the shots were taken over a period of time, the subject made many different motions and then the photographer picked out various frames from those unrelated motions to show different poses. In that respect, it's exactly the same as this:

sorry, I don't agree, the longjumper made many different motions during their jump not just 3.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/04/2008 05:51:17 PM · #55

On the one hand I understand the logic. On the other I think it's not going to pan out. The long jumper's motion as well as the golfer's are both natural progressions from A to B. The only difference is that, in a sense, the jumpers motion was not controlled. Same as the moon progressing through the sky. After the jump, "it just happened" and the photo captured it "happening" over time.

Problem is, where do you draw the line? Cars, planes, boats - all these things would appear to be progressing in a 'natural motion' from point A to B, but certainly that movement is as planned and controlled as the golfers.

freakin_hilarious

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

01/04/2008 05:52:37 PM · #56

So, would it be legal if roz had taken 10 shots during the actual swing and overlayed the 3 club/body positions that she liked best?

hajeka

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS USM

01/04/2008 05:55:33 PM · #57

Whow, this is really a challenge. I still don't have a single clue (sorry, too much clouds to make a moon shot) what kind of photo should be valid. Wouldn't it be nice if someone could write a (very quick) tutorial on "What the Heck Is Time Lapse?" under the DPC rules?

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/04/2008 05:55:52 PM · #58

I see the train wreck coming. I can see it clearly in all it's 10-frame, time lapsed glory.

There were already issues with the rules involving subjectivity. Instead of dealing with them, we have just added a new layer of subjective complexity.

Here comes the locomotive and the bridge is out...

The only saving grace is I don't see time lapse being used very much outside this first challenge.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

01/04/2008 05:57:41 PM · #59

what if there were no exposures in between. and the choice of what to use wasn't picked and chosen. would the golf image still fail?

seems this new years gift is going to be more of a nightmare than not...

SteveJ

Canon EOS-7D

01/04/2008 05:58:55 PM · #60

This challenge is a farce! 18 entries so far...that really encompasses the whole membership. It was done to satisfy the few, regardless of all other paying members who just take photos.

What with this challenge and the cartoon...sorry...HDR processing, I think DPC is losing its way and eventually many members.

Message edited by author 2008-01-04 18:01:04.

jonfrommk

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

01/04/2008 06:00:19 PM · #61

I think the change in rules are going to throw up quite a few issues like this. From my own perspective I would have thought that

roz's entry was valid but having read

scalvert's comment I think I can see why it it isnt.

I think that the SC have a hard enough job as it is and I do believe that rule changes should make their (and our) job easier/clearer. to this end I dont know whether the changes that have been made will uniformedly do this

I just wonder how often multiple imaging in this way is going to be used in the challenges over the year ahead and whether it might have been worth not changing the rules in this manner but rather having the odd challenge when time lapse was permitted and spelling out the does and donts individually in these

Just my 2p's worth

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

01/04/2008 06:00:38 PM · #62

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

What? You don't see the light at the end of the tunnel? ;o)

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

01/04/2008 06:00:43 PM · #63

nah - people love to bitch ;}

Originally posted by formerlee:

This challenge is a farce! 18 entries so far...that really encompasses the whole membership. It was done to satify the few, regardless of all other paying members who just take photos.

What with this challenge and the cartoon...sorry...HDR processing, I think DPC is losing its way and eventually many members.

Message edited by author 2008-01-04 18:01:08.

yanko

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

01/04/2008 06:02:25 PM · #64

Originally posted by scalvert:

That makes so little sense to me. Kiwi's shot is 100% posed the other one is 0% posed. It's like comparing apples to oranges. I can understand maybe it being illegal if the golfer waved a hat or tossed away some loose grass or some other significant action that wasn't depicted in the three chosen frames but from what I gather that's not the case.

Message edited by author 2008-01-04 18:03:46.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

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01/04/2008 06:02:26 PM · #65

Keep in mind that this was set up as a trial, to find the "problems" (and yes, we see them too).

Be patient.

Also, keep in mind that this is just one newly allowed facet of the new rules.

I'm just glad it was the first one dealt with so we can see what needs to be fixed and what needs to be scrapped.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/04/2008 06:12:26 PM · #66

Originally posted by yanko:

Kiwi's shot is 100% posed the other one is 0% posed.

So if Gary happened to be working in the church and the camera captured him in different positions over the course of a day....?

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS USM

01/04/2008 06:14:03 PM · #67

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by yanko:
Kiwi's shot is 100% posed the other one is 0% posed.

So if Gary happened to be working in the church and the camera captured him in different positions over the course of a day....?

Then that sounds like time lapse photography (and he's a freaking slacker and should be fired).

hajeka

Canon EOS R5

01/04/2008 06:15:31 PM · #68

Wouldn't it be nice for this new rules to forget the rule "2nd DQ in last 25 submissions: 1 week suspension of submission privileges"?

soup

Canon EOS-30D

01/04/2008 06:18:06 PM · #69

fired from the church OUCH !!\

Originally posted by routerguy666:

Originally posted by scalvert:

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Originally posted by yanko:

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Kiwi's shot is 100% posed the other one is 0% posed.

So if Gary happened to be working in the church and the camera captured him in different positions over the course of a day....?

Then that sounds like time lapse photography (and he's a freaking slacker and should be fired).

Message edited by author 2008-01-04 18:18:14.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

01/04/2008 06:31:53 PM · #70

Originally posted by soup:

fired from the church OUCH !!\

Perhaps the only truthful bit of personal information I will ever post online:

The only job I was ever fired from was a job working in a church.

Shocker, eh?

brownsm

Canon EOS-5D

01/04/2008 07:17:20 PM · #71

Originally posted by roz:

well, I've just abandoned my thoughts about my entry. I had tried out the concept yesterday, and I was planning on shooting for real this weekend. Looks like I need another idea. this will be a messy challenge that's for sure. or lots of star trails!

SaraR

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

01/04/2008 07:44:05 PM · #72

So I take it something like this skateboarding composition wouldn't be allowed? Nor this day-long one, as it would fall foul of the internal borders/frames rule? What about this?
But, I take it, this lightning image would be allowed?

Very confused....

Judi

Konica Minolta MF 85mm f/1.7

01/04/2008 07:47:03 PM · #73

Originally posted by SaraR:

All but the day long should be okay according to what has been stated in this thread. That is....if they were all shot in one burst only. And not merged from 3 reruns of the same action/scene.

briantammy

Olympus PEN E-P3

01/04/2008 07:49:43 PM · #74

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by SaraR:
So I take it something like this skateboarding composition wouldn't be allowed? Nor this day-long one, as it would fall foul of the internal borders/frames rule? What about this?
But, I take it, this lightning image would be allowed?

Very confused....

All but the day long should be okay according to what has been stated in this thread. That is....if they were all shot in one burst only. And not merged from 3 reruns of the same action/scene.

I didn't think burst shooting was a requirment as it would take quite of few shots to do a moon rise sequence.

edit to add:

ok nevermind, I see the point about merging. A quick action would have to be burst mode and a slow action could be make of regular interval shots.

Message edited by author 2008-01-04 19:54:31.

Judi