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 01/03/2008 06:29:32 PM · #26
how about just have two challenges with the choice of entry up to the entrant... might get a server overload at 11:59pm on the last day as people try to boot into the one with the lowest turnout ;)

(ETA _ the reasoning behind that is that it will equalise over time as people try to put theirs into the contest with the least entries, and this will leapfrog between the two contests and be even at the end of it anyway)

Message edited by author 2008-01-03 18:30:34.
 01/03/2008 06:34:53 PM · #27
Originally posted by inshaala:
how about just have two challenges with the choice of entry up to the entrant... might get a server overload at 11:59pm on the last day as people try to boot into the one with the lowest turnout ;)

(ETA _ the reasoning behind that is that it will equalise over time as people try to put theirs into the contest with the least entries, and this will leapfrog between the two contests and be even at the end of it anyway)


Still don't see how you could call it 'The best of anything' when its only the best of half the total entry!
It's like winning a gold medal for the first 50m of a 100m race, worthless.
 01/03/2008 06:37:54 PM · #28
Then take the top results from each section and combine for one set of finalists?

It really wouldn't be that different from the results where many voters only vote on a fraction of the entries anyway.

Message edited by author 2008-01-03 18:38:50.
 01/03/2008 06:45:08 PM · #29
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Then take the top results from each section and combine for one set of finalists?

It really wouldn't be that different from the results where many voters only vote on a fraction of the entries anyway.


That's what i was saying: 2 divisions, and an uber-ribbon for the highest score that year.

R.
 01/03/2008 07:48:40 PM · #30
Originally posted by Falc:
Originally posted by inshaala:
how about just have two challenges with the choice of entry up to the entrant... might get a server overload at 11:59pm on the last day as people try to boot into the one with the lowest turnout ;)

(ETA _ the reasoning behind that is that it will equalise over time as people try to put theirs into the contest with the least entries, and this will leapfrog between the two contests and be even at the end of it anyway)


Still don't see how you could call it 'The best of anything' when its only the best of half the total entry!
It's like winning a gold medal for the first 50m of a 100m race, worthless.


Fair point... i was merely offering another solution to the partitioning without really thinking about what "Best of 2007" really means. I'm with the one challenge crowd on this one.
 01/03/2008 08:09:36 PM · #31
Originally posted by JustinM:
Originally posted by DistantColours:
I don't like the idea - it would move away from the idea of a Free Study. We'd get some people basing their vote on how well the picture fits the category much like in the themed challenges.


I agree. And for me, I would rather compete against 600+ images.


Yeah I would much rather score well and place well against 600 than against just 300, thats the fun of the "best of" challenges.

Message edited by author 2008-01-03 20:09:55.
 01/03/2008 08:17:37 PM · #32
I like golf.

How about flights, where you are seeded based upon your average score for 2007, or for your last 20 entries?

6.0 & up
5.4 - 5.99
5.39 & below

I'm making a guess as to where to make the breaks to get a good distribution. Site Council could make clean breaks based upon actual stats.
01/03/2008 08:38:22 PM · #33
Originally posted by Nobody:
I like golf.

How about flights, where you are seeded based upon your average score for 2007, or for your last 20 entries?

6.0 & up
5.4 - 5.99
5.39 & below

I'm making a guess as to where to make the breaks to get a good distribution. Site Council could make clean breaks based upon actual stats.


The problem with that is that winning a ribbon against everyone that is like you isn't as fun as winning over people that consistently do well and are well known.
 01/03/2008 08:42:39 PM · #34
Originally posted by ryand:
Originally posted by Nobody:
I like golf.

How about flights, where you are seeded based upon your average score for 2007, or for your last 20 entries?

6.0 & up
5.4 - 5.99
5.39 & below

I'm making a guess as to where to make the breaks to get a good distribution. Site Council could make clean breaks based upon actual stats.


The problem with that is that winning a ribbon against everyone that is like you isn't as fun as winning over people that consistently do well and are well known.


Right. Not many people want this sort of division. Anyway, overall averages can be wildly misleading. Mine is 5.6, for example, but it would be silly for me to be competing in the second division, with 4 ribbons and a whole bunch of 7+ images and top-10 finishes. My average is low because I goof off a lot, and enter stuff I know most voters won't care for just because I like it.

R.
 01/04/2008 08:59:14 PM · #35
I'm for the one challenge. And speaking of which, where the heck is it?

I've been procrastinating like crazy about choosing a shot... I need the challenge to be announced before I get off my arse and choose. :)

Seriously though, tossing an image in the "best of" is all about putting one image in a sea of others and watching where it lands. That's why it's the only challenge I actually push myself to enter in spite of the large number of entries.

It's also the only challenge where I really push myself to vote on the vast majority of images, if not 100%.

There is a bit of a different dynamic for the best of choice. A free study might have had planning. The Best of (for me) is all about choosing from what you have done for many purposes and putting it up against others. For me, it's more of a comparison of taste rather than strictly photographic ability. It also gives me a chance to review my pics of the last year as a viewer.
 01/04/2008 11:38:30 PM · #36
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I think it's fairly dismaying that a relatively average image with, say, a 6.6 score can cop a blue ribbon in an "unpopular", 90-entry challenge, while a truly fantastic image with a 7.1 score can't even crack the top 10 in the year-end free study.


A little off-topic here, but I think that both ribbons are worthy, and I have no problem with what you've described. One of the reasons small challenges are small is because of the difficulty of coming up with a WOW shot for some challenge descriptions. There are lots of people who can crack off excellent landscapes, and do, for both free studies and landscape challenges. But apparently not everyone can come up with a great idea for those smaller challenges. Absolute scores can't be compared across challenges for that reason.
 01/05/2008 01:22:34 AM · #37
I don't really mind the division either. I have had mine picked out since April, so I'm just waiting for the announcement. LOL

If they were to divide it into categories, mine could fit into two. YIKES - I can hear it now - "you should have put it into the other challenge ... DNMC."
 01/05/2008 02:32:19 AM · #38
I say have an Iceland division and another division for everyone else. :P
 01/05/2008 03:04:43 AM · #39
I've had my Best of 2007 entry chosen for months. I'll take any format of doing it just so I can get it in! :)
 01/05/2008 04:31:23 AM · #40
Originally posted by Makka:
I've had my Best of 2007 entry chosen for months. I'll take any format of doing it just so I can get it in! :)


ditto!!!
 01/05/2008 05:42:42 AM · #41
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I think it's fairly dismaying that a relatively average image with, say, a 6.6 score can cop a blue ribbon in an "unpopular", 90-entry challenge, while a truly fantastic image with a 7.1 score can't even crack the top 10 in the year-end free study.


A little off-topic here, but I think that both ribbons are worthy, and I have no problem with what you've described. One of the reasons small challenges are small is because of the difficulty of coming up with a WOW shot for some challenge descriptions. There are lots of people who can crack off excellent landscapes, and do, for both free studies and landscape challenges. But apparently not everyone can come up with a great idea for those smaller challenges. Absolute scores can't be compared across challenges for that reason.


I guess I didn't make myself clear. I have no quarrel with the ribbon in the small, difficult challenge, none at all. I just think that when you get 600 entries and still only 3 ribbons, that's out of proportion. There's really nothing to be done about it though. Except to split the challenge, of course, if the powers-that-be deem it.

R.
 01/05/2008 08:56:12 AM · #42
Originally posted by yanko:
I say have an Iceland division and another division for everyone else. :P


This is clearly the best suggestion so far:) There might even be a third division for all the people from "down under".
01/05/2008 09:06:39 AM · #43
Originally posted by yanko:
I say have an Iceland division and another division for everyone else. :P


AMEN!!!! Oh and what about a cow category? ;~p (sneaks off to trip through the bovine patties, laughing)
 01/05/2008 07:07:15 PM · #44
Not sure is this has been addressed, but I LOVE to see a "Basic" as well as an "Advanced", re Best of the 2007 challenges.....

The two challenges could run side by side.....

What do others think of this idea.....
 01/05/2008 11:56:01 PM · #45
So I'm getting the impression we're not going to have a Best of 2007 challenge now?? :(
 01/06/2008 12:06:23 AM · #46
Maybe submissions will start when the freestudy ends next week.
 01/06/2008 12:16:28 AM · #47
i agree with you as thats what happened last year.....

Originally posted by mpeters:
Maybe submissions will start when the freestudy ends next week.

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