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01/03/2008 12:56:05 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
If you adjust your images using a calibration tool then it will not matter what the light they viewed viewing in. |
I don't understand how this can be true. Bright light affects your eyes, narrowing your pupils so you can look at bright things without it hurting. Thus, it seems to me, those bright things look dimmer, and dim things look even darker.
How can a single image look the same regardless of lighting, whether the monitor it's created on is calibrated or not?
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01/03/2008 01:07:36 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
If you adjust your images using a calibration tool then it will not matter what the light they viewed viewing in. |
I don't understand how this can be true. Bright light affects your eyes, narrowing your pupils so you can look at bright things without it hurting. Thus, it seems to me, those bright things look dimmer, and dim things look even darker.
How can a single image look the same regardless of lighting, whether the monitor it's created on is calibrated or not? |
I guess I'm speaking from where I sit with a calibrated monitor that adjustes to the light level changing in the room. You are correct that on an uncalibrated monitor the light of the room will change the way the image looks on the screen. Most people who calibrate do so for the normal light in their room or have a number of different profiles for room light changes.
The bottom line is that if you work from a calibrated monitor (hardware calibration) you will give the majority of the people at least a better chance to see what you intended. |
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01/03/2008 01:29:18 AM · #53 |
| David no offence but you have alot of anger:P lol alot of your posts in your profile is complaining about something. |
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01/03/2008 02:56:27 AM · #54 |
I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned using Photoshop's online densitometer, a.k.a the "Info" window. When you place the cursor over any spot on your image, it will tell you exactly what the value of the underlying pixel is (pixels, if you set it to read a 3x3 area). I look a the numbers in the grayscale value, which run an intuitive 0-100% (white to black) range.
If your highlights are less than 5% or so, they will likely look blown-out regardless of the monitor, and the shadows will usually appear blocked or plugged once they are darker than 90-95%. I learned this a long (long!) time ago when I was taking classes on scanning photos for printing, and I think it still applies today. I don't really trust any monitor, calibrated or not ... :-( |
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01/03/2008 03:00:08 AM · #55 |
| after reading a few pages from dpreview, i would start to see lines of words on all the photos i'm voting on here |
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01/03/2008 08:47:52 AM · #56 |
| Try selecting a couple of sample photos that will provide a range of colors and tones, and have them printed at a pro lab (not the drugstore around the corner, or your home printer) without color correction and see how they compare. I was using Gamma Panel until I got a Huey for Christmas. Using Gamma Panel, I could see all the tones on the scale under images here during voting, and actually, after I calibrated with the Huey, switching between calibrated and non-calibrated at the end of the sequence didn't seem to be much different, until I started looking at photos with a larger color range. Wow, what a difference. |
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01/03/2008 09:30:34 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
edit to add: I don't think this should be in rant, it's a good photography discussion. |
It's not. It's in "current challenge" |
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01/03/2008 10:00:38 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by twilson944:
Try selecting a couple of sample photos that will provide a range of colors and tones, and have them printed at a pro lab (not the drugstore around the corner, or your home printer) without color correction and see how they compare. I was using Gamma Panel until I got a Huey for Christmas. Using Gamma Panel, I could see all the tones on the scale under images here during voting, and actually, after I calibrated with the Huey, switching between calibrated and non-calibrated at the end of the sequence didn't seem to be much different, until I started looking at photos with a larger color range. Wow, what a difference. |
It's great to hear that you decided to try it out. "Wow" describes it perfectly - you don't know how far off it is until you see it done right. |
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01/03/2008 11:46:40 AM · #59 |
Is this product dedicated to one monitor or can it be used multiple places, like at home and office and a friend or two?
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01/03/2008 11:50:20 AM · #60 |
It can be used on any monitor that you load the software on. I use it on 3 different computers in my home.
Originally posted by David Ey:
Is this product dedicated to one monitor or can it be used multiple places, like at home and office and a friend or two?
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01/03/2008 12:26:46 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Is this product dedicated to one monitor or can it be used multiple places, like at home and office and a friend or two?
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My photo club bought one and we passed it around to all the members. I'd guess 20-30 people have used it, several on more then one monitor.
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01/03/2008 12:56:09 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
edit to add: I don't think this should be in rant, it's a good photography discussion. |
It's not. It's in "current challenge" |
I think it started in rant, and got changed...but I could be wrong. Anyway, I have been enjoying the discussion. Waiting for my Spyder2 to get delivered. I have never used color management before, and I do a fair amount of printing. Have gotten pretty good at figuring out what my prints will look like from my monitor. Even so, going with the cheap Spyder2 should help. Still may change my mind and go with the eyeone. But did you notice, you can't return the eyeone (unless its broken). I wonder why they have that policy. //www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/484457-REG/Xrite_EODLT_Eye_One_DisplayLT_Color_Management.html
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01/03/2008 01:58:56 PM · #63 |
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01/03/2008 02:01:39 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
OK, ordered a One Eye. |
Ooooh, cool, you're getting a pirate?
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01/03/2008 02:15:36 PM · #65 |
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01/03/2008 03:15:51 PM · #66 |
Holy Cow man thats just what I need. The 150$ does that too?
Originally posted by briantammy:
Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by briantammy:
i've never used a calibration device so i don't know how they work. Do you adjust anything more than contrast and brightness? What elso do they do? |
EyeOne (and most others like it) hang in front of the monitor and are plugged into a USB port. Software plays a series of known colors and shades of gray swatches on the screen. The device reads the colors & shades and tells the computer how to adjust the monitor to match the known values. It takes about 5 minutes. |
Does the computer self-adjust or do you have to do it with the buttons on the monitor? |
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01/03/2008 04:09:58 PM · #67 |
Does the license actually allow that ? Used to be this sort of software was only legally usable on one machine at a time (and the software runs every time you start up the computer, not just when you create a profile) or limited to one particular user/ site wide license.
I suspect something similar is behind B&H not accepting any returns for profilers, unless they don't work ;)
Message edited by author 2008-01-03 16:19:00. |
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01/03/2008 04:12:43 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Still may change my mind and go with the eyeone. But did you notice, you can't return the eyeone (unless its broken). I wonder why they have that policy. |
Perhaps because people were treating it like a free rental program, installing the software, profiling their monitor then returning the hardware but keeping the software ?
They have similar restrictions on all the other software packages they sell (because of the same licensing issues)
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01/03/2008 04:23:59 PM · #69 |
| I only realised that my monitor was off when I printed some photos and was horrified. It seemed that anything in pinks and purples were way out. It all went really bright and purples tended to turn to neon pinks. Most of the other colour were ok. I bought a spyder and calibrated my laptop monitor. To the naked eye there was a slight differnce (show why it is better to get hardware/software to do it rather than the eye) but it corrected the pinks and purples. My computer now prompts me to recalibrate every month. |
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01/07/2008 02:54:24 PM · #70 |
Well, my One Eye came in today and man am I glad I bought the $80 one from the guy that
e-mailed me instead of the $160 one. No wonder you can't send them back. A multi-colored picture you hold up next to your monitor and softwear thats looks like Adobe with instructions that say adjust with one eye closed is hardly worth $160.
I've tried contacting the guy I bought it from but all the e-mails come back un-delivered. The one I got does look new though. I'm glad I didn't buy the 360d he had for $300. I think he may be selling cheap rip off's.
I'll adjust my monitor when I get home.....who knows, it might just work. It did come highly reccomended by you guys.
Message edited by author 2008-01-07 14:54:59. |
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01/07/2008 03:24:35 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
A multi-colored picture you hold up next to your monitor and softwear thats looks like Adobe with instructions that say adjust with one eye closed is hardly worth $160. |
I'm not aware of any hardware calibrator that works that way (certainly not the Eye One, Huey or Spyder). They're supposed to be hardware spectrophotometers that rest on the front of your monitor and measure the RGB values directly. |
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01/07/2008 03:27:53 PM · #72 |
| lol, I'll buy when your done with it! I think you're supposed to have one eye covered and you have to be standing on your head, other wise it won't calibrate properly:) |
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