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12/17/2007 04:18:52 PM · #51 |
When I played high school football, the coach said if any player had a beef with any other player, they could call them out during practice. The coach would then let the two of them battle it out, mano a mano, in full gear. It never happened. I think that having that option there prevented it.
DPC needs an 'octagon'.
;-)
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12/17/2007 04:20:25 PM · #52 |
I think everyone's received the odd rude comment or two. I get a little annoyed, myself, when I get baghead comments, but I always try to remind myself that person probably has gotten bashed for their comments in the past.
I do love the idea of being able to mark which entries I would like to get some comment love and which ones I don't - some of my entries are just mediocre shots I took because I could and others I really put time into and would love some criticism.
So, please don't curtail your commenting just because there are jerks out there - just find mine and you'll know that your comment will be read and reread and taken to heart. |
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12/17/2007 04:41:25 PM · #53 |
I don't think my original post showed any hostility at all. I don't feel int he least hostile about it. I didn't name any names. There are still no names named in this thread, and the offending comments have been deleted.
But the situation, in the abstract, was one I felt moved to post about. It isn't the first time this has happened to me by a long shot, and if this thread can do anything to influence others to think before retaliating, then it has served a purpose.
R.
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12/17/2007 04:51:09 PM · #54 |
A long (long) time ago I called out someone for their comment/vote in the forums and was rightly chastised for it (by every single poster). I've since had worse comments and although they still get my back up I've grown up a little and learnt to keep my thoughts to myself.
I now accept my score as the majority have spoken, my pet hate now is seeing my average shot beaten by an obviously inferior image ;) |
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12/17/2007 05:16:48 PM · #55 |
Robert, I wish you would continue to comment and just ignore the jerks. I've been here for a while now and it is pretty much impossible for me to get any kind of critiques on my work. Since many don't see me as a newbie any more (although I still consider myself to be) all I get is people gushing over my work. While those type of comments are nice to get they do nothing to help me get better.
Although this idea has been beaten to death before I still believe having a checkbox that can communicate to the commenter the level of comfort the photographer has in receiving comments is a good thing for both the photographer and commenter. I know I would comment more if this was in place and I'm pretty sure so would a lot of people especially the people who are actually trying to help you get better.
Message edited by author 2007-12-17 17:18:01.
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12/17/2007 05:27:51 PM · #56 |
I've PM'd folks during voting in the nicest way....and the responses have been great:
"well, I don't usually respond to Pm's during voting, but you seem genuinely interested in knowing why...and they offered a wealth of info! Lucky me!!!
Heavy hitters have responded to PM's with tips regarding what they meant by "poor technicals". I get the meaning of snap shot...sorta ;) But she is pro and her help is still over my head - BUT, she took the time - it boosted my confidence since she bothered to comment. Seems all is not lost with my attempts.
A certain Icelander commented: "Well this shot is hardly bad but when submitting, you got to ask yourself, what about my photo will make people want to vote more than a 5? I just get a very "snapshotish" vibe from it like it doesn´t seem to be very well thought out and was taken in a hurry to get something into the challenge, that flash lighting doesn´t help in that regard." Well, I think about that comment every time I enter (when I remember)
That comment made a huge difference to me! ...and it reads in the same spirit Robert posted his during said challenge. I'd flip to get a comment from Robert during a challenge!
My point being - some of us are just mediocre and when we get a comment from the "big guns" it's a bit of a thrill. So PLEASE don't stop! Your comments are valued more than you know from those of us who know we have lots to learn.
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
A long (long) time ago I called out someone for their comment/vote in the forums and was rightly chastised for it (by every single poster). I've since had worse comments and although they still get my back up I've grown up a little and learnt to keep my thoughts to myself.
I now accept my score as the majority have spoken, my pet hate now is seeing my average shot beaten by an obviously inferior image ;) |
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12/17/2007 05:33:20 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I've been here for a while now and it is pretty much impossible for me to get any kind of critiques on my work. Since many don't see me as a newbie any more (although I still consider myself to be) all I get is people gushing over my work. |
Whereas I appreciate the sentiment you're trying to communicate, people with strong styles like you are going to get strong positive reactions to their work from those who respond to the style. It's very difficult to meaningfully criticize photos that one connects with on such a fundamental level. There's excellent eye-candy work out there that is easy to criticize, and there's the other stuff that's not so simple to pick apart. |
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12/17/2007 05:42:28 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by liberty:
There are people that are on this site, that I NEVER EVER recieve comments from, like they are too good to comment on the average picture, I could name names, but I would NEVER EVER list any of them. |
I was at the store earlier and felt a searing pain run through the back of my neck and suddenly felt compelled to jump out of the checkout line, abandon my groceries and rush home to comment on some of your images - so I did.
...can I go back and get some food now? :) |
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12/17/2007 08:45:57 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I've been here for a while now...
...those type of comments are nice to get they do nothing to help me get better. |
I'm personally trying to make more time to not only vote, but also comment as well. When I come across a capture that was obviously made by someone with much more experience than myself, I often wonder what critique I can give. If I see something I feel is a fault, is it a (rare) mistake that I'm seeing, and that means I'm getting better at recognizing what I'm seeing, or was the "fault" there on purpose, and I've made a complete ass of myself and revealed just how ignorant I really am? Other times, I feel just plain intimidated with an image. Especially if I've given a critique (rather than just a comment), then after voting, I find out it was captured by a "heavy-hitter". Who the hell am I to tell them they made a mistake? |
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12/17/2007 09:26:27 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by twilson944:
Originally posted by yanko:
I've been here for a while now...
...those type of comments are nice to get they do nothing to help me get better. |
I'm personally trying to make more time to not only vote, but also comment as well. When I come across a capture that was obviously made by someone with much more experience than myself, I often wonder what critique I can give. If I see something I feel is a fault, is it a (rare) mistake that I'm seeing, and that means I'm getting better at recognizing what I'm seeing, or was the "fault" there on purpose, and I've made a complete ass of myself and revealed just how ignorant I really am? Other times, I feel just plain intimidated with an image. Especially if I've given a critique (rather than just a comment), then after voting, I find out it was captured by a "heavy-hitter". Who the hell am I to tell them they made a mistake? |
Hey Tim, You aren't the only one here that feels this way. I'm in the same boat as you; I love commenting, love receiving comments more but when I realize it's a "pro" (I'm using this term loosely) I feel like a MORON! LOL
PS. Keep commenting as >95% of users/members on here appreciate them (at least I DO).
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12/17/2007 09:39:45 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by twilson944:
Originally posted by yanko:
I've been here for a while now...
...those type of comments are nice to get they do nothing to help me get better. |
I'm personally trying to make more time to not only vote, but also comment as well. When I come across a capture that was obviously made by someone with much more experience than myself, I often wonder what critique I can give. If I see something I feel is a fault, is it a (rare) mistake that I'm seeing, and that means I'm getting better at recognizing what I'm seeing, or was the "fault" there on purpose, and I've made a complete ass of myself and revealed just how ignorant I really am? Other times, I feel just plain intimidated with an image. Especially if I've given a critique (rather than just a comment), then after voting, I find out it was captured by a "heavy-hitter". Who the hell am I to tell them they made a mistake? |
I understand what you're saying and I've often felt the same. My advice is don't focus on the things you're unsure about and instead focus on what you do know. At the very least we can all express how we feel when looking at a photo and whether it works or not even if you don't know why.
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12/17/2007 09:46:22 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by twilson944:
Originally posted by yanko:
I've been here for a while now...
...those type of comments are nice to get they do nothing to help me get better. |
I'm personally trying to make more time to not only vote, but also comment as well. When I come across a capture that was obviously made by someone with much more experience than myself, I often wonder what critique I can give. If I see something I feel is a fault, is it a (rare) mistake that I'm seeing, and that means I'm getting better at recognizing what I'm seeing, or was the "fault" there on purpose, and I've made a complete ass of myself and revealed just how ignorant I really am? Other times, I feel just plain intimidated with an image. Especially if I've given a critique (rather than just a comment), then after voting, I find out it was captured by a "heavy-hitter". Who the hell am I to tell them they made a mistake? |
My experience is that the heavy hitters are very gracious and open to criticism, on the whole, and understand that giving it is an important part of learning.
The people who have conniption fits about it tend to be those who need it the most. Though to be fair, the people who are most openly thankful also fall in this group.
I have never once criticized a photo by one of the 'big guns' and had any sense that they didn't appreciate it.
And who are you to tell them they've made a mistake? You are twilson944, holder of one vote, and one opinion, that is as valid as anyone else's. They don't have to agree with you, or take your advice, but you have every bit as much right, and obligation, to give it as you see it.
My take, anyway. Spoken as a very light hitter and small gun. |
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12/17/2007 10:18:31 PM · #63 |
| Discussions like this pop up in my memory when I'm voting, I think about making a comment & then I don't because I don't know if I'm going to get flamed. It's safer to gush, but I get tired of gushing. I learn by watching to see how close my vote is to the average that comp received. Sometimes I give comparatively low scores to winners, sometimes I give a 10 to a comp that is pages away from the winners. I figure if I can't pick a winner during voting then I probably can't pick a winner out of my own portfolio. I don't see how even the most perfect comment on my own work can help me with that 'disability.' |
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12/17/2007 10:21:40 PM · #64 |
on my automobile ad entry which i titled "rx-8 - zoom zoom off the beaten path" which is my take on the fact you dont see a whole lot of em on the road. I got this comment:
"off the beaten path?! HAHAHAHAHA, yeah right..."
i did not mark this as helpful, although i would have had some actual criticism been included, i often leave jokes in my comments. i felt the best way to deal with this is to not mark as helpful and not respond to them. takes the fun out of it if they dont get a rise out of me.
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12/17/2007 10:38:51 PM · #65 |
| I have just a few comments by bear_music, and I truely treasure them all. |
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12/17/2007 10:42:41 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
takes the fun out of it if they dont get a rise out of me. |
Yeah, but they may be a mind reader, like me, and know that it really did get a rise out of you! But you caught yourself real quick. |
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12/17/2007 10:44:41 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by smardaz:
takes the fun out of it if they dont get a rise out of me. |
Yeah, but they may be a mind reader, like me, and know that it really did get a rise out of you! But you caught yourself real quick. |
lol yeah i guess i kinda ruined the effect by posting about it here huh?
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12/18/2007 08:51:12 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Discussions like this pop up in my memory when I'm voting, I think about making a comment & then I don't because I don't know if I'm going to get flamed. It's safer to gush, but I get tired of gushing. I learn by watching to see how close my vote is to the average that comp received. Sometimes I give comparatively low scores to winners, sometimes I give a 10 to a comp that is pages away from the winners. |
This is where I'm at too. I've yet to get flamed for a comment, and quite frankly, I don't think I'll really care. If I take  Yanko's advice, and focus on what I do know, then I'll feel confident in my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion. The recent SP challenge is the first challenge I've voted 100%. Through my eyes, I felt I voted accordingly. After rollover, I was astonished to see some of the placements. Not to say any shots are undeserving of their placements, I just didn't expect them there. That really made me wonder about my voting compared to the majority's, but I've decided to hold true to myself. As my eye becomes more critical, my voting may change, and I can certainly benefit from looking to see what others saw in a photo, but until then...
Thank you Venom, Yanko, and  eamurdock for the responses. I'm still relatively new here, so I'm still learning the politics and idiosyncrasies of the site, so your experiences may have presented themselves to me on their own, but it's encouraging to hear that I'm not alone, and that the (considerate) actions of those in this same boat are welcomed and understood (at least some of the time). |
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12/18/2007 10:40:03 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by twilson944:
Through my eyes, I felt I voted accordingly. After rollover, I was astonished to see some of the placements. Not to say any shots are undeserving of their placements, I just didn't expect them there. That really made me wonder about my voting compared to the majority's, but I've decided to hold true to myself. |
Thats all you can do. Rarely when I vote do my votes match up with how things finally end. Everyone see things differently. One of the things about the DPC community growing is that we should get a wider variety of opinions, and images. People talk about the "DPC" winner. And yes, there are images here that play better to the masses than others. Things like the OOBIES (spelling?) are great. It recognizes people that think out of the box and produce quality images. There are a number of people here who profiles show up as active, but they haven't entered a challenge in six months or a year (sometimes more). Did they get busy with other things (I know that is my excuse for not entering more challenges), did they get tired of creating a nice image and watching it flounder in the 5's. Nobody knows. I am not here to win ribbons, I use this site more as a learning tool. Like I posted previously on this thread, I have learned more about PP from posts from guys like Bear and Brad, among many many others- heck, I've even learned a few things from Art :). Comments are great. Its a shame when someone pulls something like what happened to Bear, because it deters people from commenting.
Sorry about the long winded rambling.
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