Atheism in Christian societies - DPChallenge Forums

12/13/2007 05:58:42 PM · #451

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Sure they do... albeit that the terminology and mood are not quite the same.

More cursing you mean ? :) I have to admit to hardly ever watching any team sports, so I don't have that great a perspective on this.

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12/13/2007 09:56:28 PM · #452

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Melethia:
I didn't write down the numbers, but from the center, I'm left about 2.5 and down about 4, whatever that means.

Those numbers seem somewhat surprising to me, given your current profession.

Yeah, I suppose some might find that surprising, but not everyone in the military is a right-wing ultra-conservative Republican type. Just the guys in my current office.... makes for fun conversations. :-)

yanko

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12/13/2007 10:17:24 PM · #453

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Melethia:
I didn't write down the numbers, but from the center, I'm left about 2.5 and down about 4, whatever that means.

I seem to be all alone over on the right hand side...

Well if it's any consolation I came out on the right too.

Originally posted by yanko:

Here's mine.

yanko

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12/13/2007 10:25:13 PM · #454

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by Melethia:
I don't follow this thread regularly (and am still a bit confused as to how religious debate equates to photography, but that's neither here nor there) but I do have a question for all ye learned ones... I've never quite figured how to categorize myself

Try the Belief-O-Matic

:-D

I'm stuck on the question, "What happens to humans after death?". There doesn't seem to be a scientific option for rebirth/reincarnation. I figure since the argument about monkey's being able to produce a work of William Shakespeare if enough time is allotted that it's equally plausible that one day the atoms in my body and my DNA code will once again come together in the distant future and I'll live again. :P

Message edited by author 2007-12-13 22:25:44.

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12/13/2007 10:34:35 PM · #455

Originally posted by Gordon:

1. Secular Humanism (100%)

I guess that's not much of a surprise.

At least I'm not the only one out there :-)
1. Secular Humanist (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (97%)
3. Liberal Quakers (72%)
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27. Jehovah's Witness (11%) Guess I know what I'm not, anyway.

yanko

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12/13/2007 10:41:49 PM · #456

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (96%)
3. Liberal Quakers (90%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (85%)
5. Nontheist (79%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (71%)
7. Neo-Pagan (69%)
8. Taoism (65%)
9. New Age (62%)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (61%)
11. Orthodox Quaker (58%)
12. Sikhism (53%)
13. BahÃ¡'Ã Faith (51%)
14. Reform Judaism (49%)
15. Hinduism (40%)
16. Jainism (40%)
17. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (38%)
18. New Thought (38%)
19. Scientology (37%)
20. Seventh Day Adventist (36%)
21. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (30%)
22. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (28%)
23. Eastern Orthodox (27%)
24. Islam (27%)
25. Orthodox Judaism (27%)
26. Roman Catholic (27%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (15%)

Well I started out Catholic anyway. :P

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12/13/2007 10:44:02 PM · #457

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (91%)
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25. Roman Catholic (21%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (20%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (8%)

Louis

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12/13/2007 11:15:18 PM · #458

Yeah, I got the 1. Secular Humanism (100%) and 27. Jehovah's Witness (11%) too... what's up with that?

12/13/2007 11:26:50 PM · #459

If I'm not mistaken, I think I got a big fat 0 on Jehovah's Witness. I shoulda kept the list, huh? Maybe I'll take it again. But I am starting think there's something to the Liberal Quaker thing... Maybe we should start a group? :-)

scalvert

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12/14/2007 12:16:12 AM · #460

Originally posted by Melethia:

I am starting think there's something to the Liberal Quaker thing... Maybe we should start a group? :-)

The Quakers do seem to be shakin' around here. I got the 100% Secular Humanism thing, too, with Liberal Quaker around 97%.

GeneralE

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12/14/2007 12:24:37 AM · #461

Originally posted by Melethia:

I don't know about fun, but probably pretty interesting. Does anyone every change their mind about some issue?

I'm pretty sure the trend in the military has been towards the "conservative" viewpoint since the draft ended, and the only folks in the military are those who (mostly) choose to be.

12/14/2007 12:33:02 AM · #462

Nope, they don't change their minds at all - but I do get them to at least look at some things differently. They write me off as hopeless. :-)

And I agree that the trend in the military is conservative, but it's definitely not universal!

Oh, and getting back to the topic at hand - I have no issue when military ceremonies include prayer. I also don't mind if schools want to have religious groups meet there after class. If we let the chess club and the football team use the facilities, why not let any religious club that wishes to meet do the same thing? Can't say I'm in favor of mandatory school prayer, though.

Message edited by author 2007-12-14 00:35:00.

12/14/2007 08:36:08 AM · #463

Originally posted by Melethia:

Can't say I'm in favor of mandatory school prayer, though.

From figures I heard yesterday, something like only 1 in 5 shools in the UK is planning on putting on a nativity play. The government is proposing mandating that all schools do, even those where in some cases 95%+ of the school population are Muslim. Seems to be causing some consternation.

12/14/2007 08:47:48 AM · #464

I do think that political correctness can go way too far. In the US, Christmas is pretty much a Christian kinda thing and part of the heritage of the country, whether you be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Liberal Quaker. If a community wants to put up a nativity scene - go for it. If the Jewish members of the community want to put up a Mennorah - go for it. Diversity is the spice of life. No need to get all up in arms because little Janie's school is doing a nativity play and little Janie wants to be Wiccan when she grows up. She can do both. Kids are quite flexible. It's the adults who go all rigid and holier than thou. I think I'll start my own religious group. The basic tenant will be "Live, let live, and don't get your panties in a bunch." Think it'll fly?

zxaar

12/14/2007 09:15:48 AM · #465

okey guys take a sweet break:

Just a break.

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12/14/2007 09:17:35 AM · #466

Originally posted by Melethia:

I think I'll start my own religious group. The basic tenant will be "Live, let live, and don't get your panties in a bunch." Think it'll fly?

and in 100 years your new group will have its first schism, over an argument about if you meant that the panties should be thrown or if they flew on their own. There will also be a further schism over the meaning of the second live. Which of the two definitions and pronunciation of the word did you mean ? People that knew people who knew you will argue in favor of the traditional meaning, while others will take the opposite spin.

500 years from now countries will fight themselves to ruin because one branch will be wearing the orange panties and another will prefer blue.

750 years later the basic tenants will get evicted from their homes in another word definition confusion. In 1000 years a holy war will break out when one group sneaks around the washing lines of the others and intentionally bunches up drying panties.

I don't think it is worth the trouble, personally.

Message edited by author 2007-12-14 09:18:01.

noraneko

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12/14/2007 09:25:42 AM · #467

Originally posted by zxaar:

okey guys take a sweet break:

Just a break.

Okay, I'm crying that was so funny. Thanks for that.

Flash

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12/14/2007 09:28:44 AM · #468

Originally posted by Gordon:

At least this is how it has happened historically. Sure does present religion in a pretty petty light. I would submit that I do agree with this post by Gordon. I also think, that the reason for its application is due to the "doctrinal" differences that creep into a faith and not due to the origin. By doctrinal, I mean man's rules, not Gods. Nearly every christian denimination I have studied, had little difference in the core message of Christ, but many subtle and not so subtle doctrinal differences, meaning manmade rules to apply the core message. This is the heart of Gordon's post.

zxaar

12/14/2007 09:44:29 AM · #469

Originally posted by noraneko:

Originally posted by zxaar:
okey guys take a sweet break:

Just a break.

Okay, I'm crying that was so funny. Thanks for that.

yaa that was funny , luckily found it again today.

How are you. I have been busy lately (with sickness mostly) so could not write.

scalvert

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12/14/2007 09:49:08 AM · #470

Originally posted by Flash:

Nearly every christian denimination I have studied, had little difference in the core message of Christ, but many subtle and not so subtle doctrinal differences, meaning manmade rules to apply the core message.

Despite multiple requests, you still haven't stated what that message is. Living>dying>resurrection isn't a message, and the purpose of those events is RIDDLED with manmade rules and interpretations.

12/14/2007 11:24:51 AM · #471

Well darn it, Gordon, I think that means I have to withdraw my application for a non-profit organization now, don't I? Rats. I had such plans, too. I wanted my own TV network and everything!

DrAchoo

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12/14/2007 11:59:50 AM · #472

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Flash:
Nearly every christian denimination I have studied, had little difference in the core message of Christ, but many subtle and not so subtle doctrinal differences, meaning manmade rules to apply the core message.

Despite multiple requests, you still haven't stated what that message is. Living>dying>resurrection isn't a message, and the purpose of those events is RIDDLED with manmade rules and interpretations.

All modern, mainstream denominations of Christianity will accept the following as "core" to their faith. This regards our relationship with God (think of it as a vertical relationship).

A) We are sinners.
B) The wages of sin is death. (Romans 6:23)
C) Jesus Christ was the divine incarnation of God
D) His death paid an atoning price for mankinds sin.
E) Those who receive/accept this gift will have salvation.

As far as our relationships with each other (think of it as horizontal), I cannot think of a denomination that wouldn't accept The Golden Rule as being foundational to our behavior. Interpretations, however, of how this is best accomplished will vary.

Christianity, at its core, is much more interested in our relationship with God as that will last for an eternity than with our relationship with each other (as that will be fleeting). Certainly Jesus, Paul, and others spent time talking about how to live on earth, but that shouldn't be considered the central message.

12/14/2007 12:17:33 PM · #473

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

As far as our relationships with each other (think of it as horizontal)

Are you allowed to have horizontal relationships with other denominations ?

more seriously, what's the Golden Rule ? Never heard of that in 15+ years at church.

DrAchoo

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