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 12/01/2007 09:15:06 PM · #1
//pic.templetons.com/brad/photo/dslrlens.html wow... horrible at some poits in the article.. to think some people use this as advice is horrible
 12/01/2007 09:24:21 PM · #2
What, exactly, are you complaining about? I scanned it and everything I read was accurate, if a bit outdated in some specifics.
 12/01/2007 09:31:02 PM · #3
"You would be better off to buy a high end point-and-shoot digital, in most cases, and then sell it when you are ready to get a digital SLR with more than one lens. It will be smaller and lighter, and might even take better photos most of the time. And while you will lose money on it, it won't be nearly as much as you lose on your 40D"

that mainly
 12/01/2007 09:35:28 PM · #4
The advise is sound. One of the biggest mistakes newbs make in buying a dSLR is buying more camera than they need. By the time the acquire glass and knowledge the camera is horribly out-of-date.

The theory of buy only what you need is much better than saying you must get a 40D or your photography will suck.
 12/01/2007 09:44:37 PM · #5
true... but hes saying its bad to buy a regular SLR and only one lens.. there is nothing wrong with slowly accumulatig a collection
 12/01/2007 09:50:48 PM · #6
Ya, I agree. I'd rather have a 300D and a kit lens than a cutting edge P&S anyday.

Message edited by author 2007-12-01 21:50:57.
 12/01/2007 10:06:44 PM · #7
Me too, but definitely wouldn't call the site bogus.
 12/01/2007 10:38:31 PM · #8
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Ya, I agree. I'd rather have a 300D and a kit lens than a cutting edge P&S anyday.


I disagree. For someone starting out without a lot of money, I'd suggest a high-end P&S and pocket the cash for a rainy day. I learned a great deal in the year I was using the S2 IS - it has full manual controls, for instance, plus macro and zoom to 432 mm equivalent. Eventually I outgrew it for most uses, but even six months into my D200, four of my 5 top scores here, and my only ribbon, came with a P&S.
 12/01/2007 10:48:26 PM · #9
my kodak point and shoot was an awesome camera. I took some fantastic shots with it and it allowed me to learn manual controls.
 12/01/2007 11:11:46 PM · #10
Ken Rockwell has a great site where he explains why the camera doesn't matter and also does an interesting comparison between a $150 camera and a $5000 camera. Lots of good reading there.

I tend to believe you should start small and upgrade only when you feel like your equipment is limiting your creative ability to get the shot you want.
 12/01/2007 11:21:28 PM · #11
Originally posted by smurfguy:

I tend to believe you should start small and upgrade only when you feel like your equipment is limiting your creative ability to get the shot you want.


Hear hear! If you don't know "why" you need it, you probably don't need it at all. :)
 12/01/2007 11:24:47 PM · #12
Originally posted by L2:

Hear hear! If you don't know "why" you need it, you probably don't need it at all. :)


Exact;y.
12/02/2007 12:07:02 AM · #13
But "starting small", if we're talking about money could easily be the 300D and a kit. Can't you get those for about $250 these days? Maybe $350.

Perhaps I'm speaking out of some ignorance, but don't most fixed lenses have a fair amount of contraint on aperture, focal length, etc? And isn't noise a big problem on most P&S cameras with their tiny sensors?
 12/02/2007 12:18:07 AM · #14
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
But "starting small", if we're talking about money could easily be the 300D and a kit. Can't you get those for about $250 these days? Maybe $350.

Perhaps I'm speaking out of some ignorance, but don't most fixed lenses have a fair amount of contraint on aperture, focal length, etc? And isn't noise a big problem on most P&S cameras with their tiny sensors?


FWIW, the S2 IS is F/2.7-8.0 (max aperture is 2.7-3.5), useful ISO of 50-200, 0mm-432mm (yes, 0 - its macros is terrific).

So in really dim locations, it can't compete, which is one of the main reasons I upgraded. Shallow DOF can be achieved, but it's a challenge. But in normal lighting, its focal length range blows away every SLR lens I've heard of.

If you can really get a DSLR and a kit lens for $250, though, you may be right.

Message edited by author 2007-12-02 00:19:11.
 12/02/2007 12:21:49 AM · #15
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
But "starting small", if we're talking about money could easily be the 300D and a kit. Can't you get those for about $250 these days? Maybe $350.

Perhaps I'm speaking out of some ignorance, but don't most fixed lenses have a fair amount of contraint on aperture, focal length, etc? And isn't noise a big problem on most P&S cameras with their tiny sensors?


there are some in between choices:

R1

plus we do not get this quality lense so cheap.

yes noise is still a issue but not so much.
sometimes SLR is not the best choice, it all depend upon how much you want to spend.
 12/02/2007 06:57:39 AM · #16
Originally posted by zxaar:

sometimes SLR is not the best choice, it all depend upon how much you want to spend.


And also you have to balance out the convenience factor. The dSLR plus kit is a lot to schlep around, so you tend to leave the gear at home or in the car. With a high-end P&S you get very decent image quality and seriously nice portability.

R.
 12/02/2007 08:56:44 PM · #17
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
But "starting small", if we're talking about money could easily be the 300D and a kit. Can't you get those for about $250 these days? Maybe $350.

Perhaps I'm speaking out of some ignorance, but don't most fixed lenses have a fair amount of contraint on aperture, focal length, etc? And isn't noise a big problem on most P&S cameras with their tiny sensors?

I see your point. I think "small" is in terms of your budget. As a college student, I started with a Kodak DX6330. I used it for some time, but started realizing that the JPEG compression artifacts and noise were really quite bad, so my wife and I bought an XT before going on our "finished with school" cruise.

I suppose if you're really, really well off, starting with a 5D/24-105 might be fine. The real point is, don't expect the equipment to do something magical for your pictures. It's really best to let it grow with your experience.

So even if someone's disposable income allows starting with a 5D, they'd probably be on the path of upgrading just because they can, not necessarily because they need to. Which isn't very fulfilling. Just IMO. =)
 12/02/2007 09:04:17 PM · #18
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

And also you have to balance out the convenience factor. The dSLR plus kit is a lot to schlep around, so you tend to leave the gear at home or in the car. With a high-end P&S you get very decent image quality and seriously nice portability.

R.


I'm looking at pocket P&S just for that reason. Yeah a P&S can take a horrible shot, but then again, so can a dSLR.
12/02/2007 10:09:01 PM · #19
We have a little Fuji Finepix P&S which is a decent enough small camera, but I just can't use it. The noise is bad, the delay is terrible, etc.

I searched out ebay and saw that 300Ds with the kit and often lots of other little accessories were going for $250-$400. Perhaps I just don't have enough experience with the cameras that more or less act like a fixed lens SLR. They may be more decent.

Certainly personal opinion matters here, but I remember my 300D with fondness and just absolutely loved the jump over my S30.
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