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11/20/2007 03:32:37 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by sea2c:
**This thread STILL isn't about charging less...** |
What exactly is less? Check out FotoQuote for an idea of whats "right." |
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11/20/2007 03:54:16 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
I totaly understand the "time is money" mentality. if hes so adament about this then he mustve been paid to do the interview already...and who did the interview? was it MGM..if so then why cant they just use it anyway. wouldnt that make the call he got asking to use the interview a polite thing to do. whats a little free publicity gonna do to his image...surely isnt going to break the bank and might even boost him up on that pedestal a little higher.
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If you make a photo and license it to someone for a specific use, that does not give them the right to use it in the future for something else. They would have to come back to you and license it again for that new use as well. They would pay each time.
Same thing with this interview.
As he says in the video, he certainly doesn't need the publicity. He is well known already. |
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11/20/2007 03:54:55 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by sea2c:
**This thread STILL isn't about charging less...** |
What exactly is less? Check out FotoQuote for an idea of whats "right." |
Depends on the comparison, but this thread wasn't about what we charge. Or rather shouldn't have been. My OP was worded badly.
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11/20/2007 07:52:00 PM · #29 |
when i first committed to this as a business a few years ago, i called a friend of my dad's who was one of the most successful businessmen i have even known. i had a pricing dilemma (someone really wanted a print of mine and i really wanted to sell it rather than give it away). what he told me was quite simple: there must ALWAYS be a profit. you don't have to tell anyone what it is, and it doesn't have to be the same for everyone, but, there must ALWAYS be a profit. otherwise, you will fail. he also said that profit doesn't always have to be in cash--it may be in goodwill or in a trade--but it must be there.
another way of measuring the question is whether or not the people who want something have the ability to pay for it. if they have the money, then they damn well should pay. some people that shoot sports price their images real, real low, because they don't think the kids have enough money to pay for them. that's not necessarily true. look at their monthly cell phone bills, look at how much they spend on gas, look at their shoes--tell me they don't have money. it the building contractor gets paid for building the house and the home decorator gets paid for decorating it, shouldn't the artist that produced the itty-bitty print in the half-bath in the upstairs hallway get paid, even for their small, inconsequential addition to the home... |
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11/20/2007 08:47:07 PM · #30 |
What  Skip said. It's taken me 20 years in the IT business to realise how valuable my time is. And how easy it is to be taken advantage of when pride comes into the equation. |
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11/20/2007 08:57:19 PM · #31 |
All i can add to this is my own experience.
I shoot the odd theatre show for money, not a lot, but enough to cover my time.
i shot one 2 years ago and they were very happy with the results. the next year they visited my theatre and told me that they had a friend who was doing the pictures this year. Fair enough i said. i have seen his shots and they have already booked me for the next show. When i gave my price, up a bit from the first year and a lot more than the friend charged. No quibble, accepted staight away. They now understand that free is not always good value.
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11/21/2007 03:50:54 PM · #32 |
Kids have money, or their parents do. Don't think because of what they drive, wear, or live means a damned thing either. It's about priorities - if it's important to them they'll spend whatever it takes.
I wouldn't spend a dime to see a pro sporting event or buy the clothing, but I know people that spend a fortune on it - $60 or more for a shirt is common.
HS seniors? If they play any sport ask how much it costs! The gear they wear to play hockey can run $1000. A baseball bat can cost $150 easy. Do they have a Playstation or XBox? What's that cost?
Does the family take vacations? You can quickly add up what that costs. My buddy and his family (4 people) spent a week in San Francisco - kenneled the dog, flew there, rented a car, etc. $4000 easy. And they take TWO vacations a year like this.
I'm in the middle of doing Holiday Pet Portraits - pictures of dogs for middle aged ladies is all it is. $78 is the average sale. My first year it was $24 - I've since learned that people WILL pay if you have what they want. The secret is YOU have to ask for it.
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11/21/2007 04:01:42 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
I totaly understand the "time is money" mentality. if hes so adament about this then he mustve been paid to do the interview already...
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So you'll just give away for free any photo you've already taken? Same concept - the work is done, you've been paid, so not it's free? After an auther sells one book the rest should be free? Paperback rights should be free?
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
on a side note...I know two photographers here. one charges $5K for weddings and his work sucks! the other photog does his photos for cost of prints (free) and hes awesome! he does it for "free" not just because he loves to snap off photos but because he doesnt feel his work is near good enough to charge anything for it. yeah...sure the "free" guy is hurting the "professional" bizz some but not because hes "free" but because his work is outstanding. Im slowly getting him to understand this and maybe get him on my team...lol |
Generally price=quality but there is also a thing called 'branding' - people pay alot for some brands than others, even if there is no quality difference. Toyota vs Lexus, store brand vs name brand, starbucks coffee vs mcdonalds coffee, etc.
It's not always the price or the actual product, but the perceived value that matters.
The folks paying $5000 don't think his work sucks, or perhaps he's delivering service or has a brand people value. If Joe Buissink took your picture you'd brag about it regardless of the price he charged you. If I took you pic you'd not brag to anyone regardless of the price.
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