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10/24/2007 04:03:23 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
All right, enough. I obviously took a shot that got the score it deserved because it wasn't "unique." I am sorry to have brought it up. Thanks for those who have tried to help.
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Hang in there. Don't go away upset. You're getting valuable
advice here that many of us wish would be left in comments on our entries. If....... you want to score high in challenges at DPC. Remember, what you find funny, others may regard as a plain ol'snapshot here. I thought it was funny too, especially with the tongue stuck out. Be happy with what you photograph first. Then try to vary it so it also attracts high scores at DPC. Just because it scores low here doesn't mean it's not a fine image.
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10/24/2007 04:06:35 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
It is still hard to keep this in mind. Actually, my motivation is taking on a different direction. What do I love? Farmlife. What do I enjoy shooting most? Farmlife. I look at photographers like Dorothea Lange and even Curtis. Lange took shots of migrant workers because they touched her. During that time her shots may have held little meaning because migrant workers were common. Now her shots are so historically valuable because she took a segment of the population that is now not as prevalent. Curtis went and did portraits of Native peoples because maybe he got paid, maybe the govt wanted a record, whatever, but nobody has ever done shots like him.
I see the farm life in Connecticut dying by acres every year. I want to take photos of it because it may not be here. That is my motivation. I am approaching farm families that are still working the land so I can do portraits of them, using Curtis as my guide. Popular? Not so with dp. Valuable? To me and maybe historical societies in the future. Worthwhile? Most definitely.
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I posted this in another thread, but if you can fill in the blanks in this question, then you'll be ahead of about 80% of the photographers on this site.
"I have a passion for ____________ and my goal is to _____________."
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10/24/2007 04:09:36 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Every image deserves the score it gets. |
When I first landed here I didn't believe that. Now, it's my mantra at DPC. The voters are always right. That's what would make it a shame if June left us. Her unconventional thoughts and votes help the diversity of the voting pool.
Also, how many 90 year old members do we have????
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10/24/2007 04:12:05 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
"I have a passion for ____________ and my goal is to _____________." |
...................................................drinking ............................................ get drunk
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10/24/2007 04:23:16 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Every image deserves the score it gets. |
When I first landed here I didn't believe that. Now, it's my mantra at DPC. The voters are always right. That's what would make it a shame if June left us. Her unconventional thoughts and votes help the diversity of the voting pool.
Also, how many 90 year old members do we have???? |
Too funny. Age is irrelevant. I would put 1000 years old if the scale went that high. I change my age reference nearly every day. Today it was 90, tomorrow it may be 1. |
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10/24/2007 04:24:45 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Gordon:
"I have a passion for ____________ and my goal is to _____________." |
...................................................drinking ............................................ get drunk |
No surprise there. |
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10/24/2007 04:31:33 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
For years i tried to get good at golf. I was obsessed with it. But then it got frustrating and stressful. The best thing i ever did was put the clubs in the attic. |
I tossed mine in the water hazard and went home. |
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10/24/2007 04:38:47 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
"I have a passion for curvy ladies and my goal is to keep them happy, and not pregnant." |
filledin the blanks ;)
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10/24/2007 05:04:40 PM · #59 |
| Don't usually participate in these threads, but this one sticks in my mind. First, I did notice the tongue - didn't "really" know they had them, and getting it should certainly be remarked. Liked the blue eye too, but the composition as a whole doesn't work. This is a matter of design; the picture you didn't like but scored well has good balance, and this is the sort of thing that seems to matter a lot at DPC, consciously or not. Content less so. Assuming your goose was a crop, it would be interesting to see the original and suggest alternative cropping to feature the tongue and maybe the feed which isn't on the bill. That said, it seems to me you are looking for a teacher, a perfect teacher or guide who can see just what it is you see and wish to communicate. Sigh. Aren't we all? On the other hand, sometimes just one comment on a picture can serve almost as well. In either way: to encourage or to correct. These may be morsels, but when you get closer to age 90, these morsels are more like full course dinners. To make this longer I will inflict my theory of true knowledge/knowhow: it is never gained until you make every possible mistake. Actually not so radical as it sounds, just another version of zeroing in. What I mean to say is that you HAVE to take risks to find whatever, and limiting your entries to what you think will score well is, hopefully, one of the big mistakes got over. Good luck, and viva the farm project. |
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10/24/2007 05:29:13 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Every image deserves the score it gets. |
When I first landed here I didn't believe that. Now, it's my mantra at DPC. The voters are always right. That's what would make it a shame if June left us. Her unconventional thoughts and votes help the diversity of the voting pool.
Also, how many 90 year old members do we have???? |
Every image doesn't deserve the score it gets. There are a few bad shots that score well and great shots that don't score well. You shouldn't worry about your score. It doesn't reflect who you are as a photographer. There are a few painters and photographers whose work was ridiculed and they are now considered legends.
Message edited by author 2007-10-24 17:30:17. |
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10/24/2007 06:04:23 PM · #61 |
June,
 tnun just beat me to some of what I was going to say.
The "I guess I'll go eat worms" attitude will not get you very in photography, or life in general.
Get yourself an Acme Heavy Duty Rhino Skin Suit and put it on before you ask for feedback. Being personally connected to your images is vital, but basing your self-worth on the opinions of others is dangerous.
Six mentors is not that many. Have you tried reproducing what your photography idols are doing? Study some shots that really speak to you, find out what makes them so good, and try to emulate that.
Learn to shrug off the bad scores and get busy finding out why the good ones did so well. You have done some wonderful things with composition and design; do you know what those things were? Can you honestly say that you've mastered the technical aspects of photography? Until then, stop knocking yourself and keep plugging along.
Message edited by author 2007-10-24 18:05:23. |
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10/24/2007 06:31:02 PM · #62 |
Perfection is something striven for but never obtained. An artist should never be happy with yesterdays creation.
My $.02 |
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10/24/2007 06:36:37 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Perfection is something striven for but never obtained. An artist should never be happy with yesterdays creation.
My $.02 |
I agree completely... I always look back at photos and think, I could have done that better.
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10/24/2007 06:47:56 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by jhonan:
For years i tried to get good at golf. I was obsessed with it. But then it got frustrating and stressful. The best thing i ever did was put the clubs in the attic. |
I tossed mine in the water hazard and went home. |
HA!!! Love it... |
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10/24/2007 06:51:00 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by jhonan:
For years i tried to get good at golf. I was obsessed with it. But then it got frustrating and stressful. The best thing i ever did was put the clubs in the attic. |
I tossed mine in the water hazard and went home. |
 DrAchoo has done that with photography a few times. :-)
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10/24/2007 07:46:24 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by superdave:
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Every image deserves the score it gets. |
When I first landed here I didn't believe that. Now, it's my mantra at DPC. The voters are always right. That's what would make it a shame if June left us. Her unconventional thoughts and votes help the diversity of the voting pool.
Also, how many 90 year old members do we have???? |
Every image doesn't deserve the score it gets. There are a few bad shots that score well and great shots that don't score well. You shouldn't worry about your score. It doesn't reflect who you are as a photographer. There are a few painters and photographers whose work was ridiculed and they are now considered legends. |
Again, the score is nothing more than a reflection of the collective opinion of voters. You can't argue with an opinion, it's not right or wrong. It simply is what it is.
The score says nothing of the merits of an image, artistic or otherwise. It's about generating broad appeal to a relatively small number of people. That's why blue ribbon shots get 1's and brown ribbon shots get 10's. |
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10/24/2007 07:47:36 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by jhonan:
For years i tried to get good at golf. I was obsessed with it. But then it got frustrating and stressful. The best thing i ever did was put the clubs in the attic. |
I tossed mine in the water hazard and went home. |
DrAchoo has done that with photography a few times. :-) |
Yeah, but I doubt he chucked his camera in a fit of anger. And he certainly didn't leave it there. |
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10/24/2007 07:59:29 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Yeah, but I doubt he chucked his camera in a fit of anger. And he certainly didn't leave it there. |
You're probably right.
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10/24/2007 08:25:15 PM · #69 |
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Message edited by author 2007-10-24 20:26:24. |
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10/24/2007 08:26:03 PM · #70 |
Not that it matters, but this was the original unedited photo. I was actually trying to use the point of view of really close. That is why I don't believe it didn't meet the challenge. I thought point of view could be far away, near, upside down, underneath, looking up, looking down from a roof, etc.
My Other Site where you can find a larger version
Anyway, this will be the last post about the issue. I made a mistake and now it is done. Thanks for all the help and ideas.
Message edited by author 2007-10-24 20:31:09. |
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10/24/2007 08:36:28 PM · #71 |
Here is one I took almost at the same angle but at a lower POV. I was sitting on the ground as he walked up and stood next to me. This gave me a good POV. Just posted for comparison.
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10/24/2007 08:42:36 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by swhiddon:
Here is one I took almost at the same angle but at a lower POV. I was sitting on the ground as he walked up and stood next to me. This gave me a good POV. Just posted for comparison.
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I would have taken it at that pov if I could have. There was a fence in the way, though. I tried to get lower to the ground, but I kept seeing parts of the fence in the shot. So I guess my idea of getting lower may have been right on, just couldn't do it because of obstacles. |
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10/24/2007 08:48:18 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by JunieMoon:
Originally posted by swhiddon:
Here is one I took almost at the same angle but at a lower POV. I was sitting on the ground as he walked up and stood next to me. This gave me a good POV. Just posted for comparison.
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I would have taken it at that pov if I could have. There was a fence in the way, though. I tried to get lower to the ground, but I kept seeing parts of the fence in the shot. So I guess my idea of getting lower may have been right on, just couldn't do it because of obstacles. |
Exactly, you had the right Idea and I agree with you that sometimes it's not possible to get in the position you would like too. |
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10/24/2007 08:48:52 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Konador:
It will probably help to post one of the 90% ones you are talking about so we can directly compare and help you to understand. At the moment all I can say is that:
a) Its a bit gross with the gunky food
b) The crop is awkward being too close to the eye and too cramped overall
c) Didn't really meet the challenge in my eyes
d) Yellow colour cast suggests white-balance problems |
I agree but there's also:
e) Better lens used with the higher scoring photo. I noticed it even before checking what lenses were used.
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10/24/2007 08:52:00 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Konador:
It will probably help to post one of the 90% ones you are talking about so we can directly compare and help you to understand. At the moment all I can say is that:
a) Its a bit gross with the gunky food
b) The crop is awkward being too close to the eye and too cramped overall
c) Didn't really meet the challenge in my eyes
d) Yellow colour cast suggests white-balance problems |
I agree but there's also:
e) Better lens used with the higher scoring photo. I noticed it even before checking what lenses were used. |
Actually, I used the same lens for both pictures. |
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