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10/18/2007 07:24:53 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by L2:
The only question really is whether respecting user preferences during voting will lead to skewed scores. Given how freaked out people are when friend votes get cast, I'm surprised to see so many people indicate they don't believe skewed scores are a real concern. |
I agree. And we all know how bent out of shape people would get the first time they saw this on the front page when they didn't get to vote on it.
Message edited by author 2007-10-18 19:27:35.
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10/18/2007 07:29:08 PM · #177 |
It is a mistake to assume that images flagged during voting will be skipped by those who have a filter preference set.
Just as easily, it could provide a handy way to find those shots to vote 1's on.
Thus skewing voting, perhaps in an unintended way. |
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10/18/2007 07:30:33 PM · #178 |
Due to the fact that my original post was misunderstood, I have deleted it.
Message edited by author 2007-10-18 20:52:14. |
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10/18/2007 07:30:42 PM · #179 |
Originally posted by L2:
It is a mistake to assume that images flagged during voting will be skipped by those who have a filter preference set.
Just as easily, it could provide a handy way to find those shots to vote 1's on.
Thus skewing voting, perhaps in an unintended way. |
How very wise you are. :P |
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10/18/2007 07:34:13 PM · #180 |
Originally posted by tjbel05:
I guess Im just a little confused. The ToS states that there may be offensive content. You agree, you pay, you participate....Hum you are an adult, you know nudes are possible. You decide, suck it up and deal with it, or move on, dont log on, dont join, dont participate. No one makes you join this site, and no one hides the fact that its not all candies and flowers. So make a choice, live with it or dont, you decided to join. |
It sounds like you are saying that user preferences should not be respected by DPC because DPC shouldn't care about customer service? |
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10/18/2007 07:38:10 PM · #181 |
You know what... ok, maybe the nude filter should be respected in voting... but with a stipulation:
Once the user turns on the nude filter, there is no way for them to turn it off, without writing a compelling letter to SC. No more nudes for you.
Would solve a lot of these debates, make most non-nude proponents happy and save nude artists a bit of a headache.
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10/18/2007 07:42:11 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
You know what... ok, maybe the nude filter should be respected in voting... but with a stipulation:
Once the user turns on the nude filter, there is no way for them to turn it off, without writing a compelling letter to SC. No more nudes for you.
Would solve a lot of these debates, make most non-nude proponents happy and save nude artists a bit of a headache. |
I think you have may have misunderstood the filter. The filter does not prohibit the images from ever being seen by the user, it merely causes an extra click in order to view them.
If you are suggesting that users be banned from ever seeing nudes simply by choosing to limit where and when they pop up on their screen, I think you must know how ridiculous an assertion that is. |
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10/18/2007 07:46:24 PM · #183 |
Originally posted by L2:
If you are suggesting that users be banned from ever seeing nudes simply by choosing to limit where and when they pop up on their screen, I think you must know how ridiculous an assertion that is. |
I do realize how ridiculous it sounds. But why allow a user to subject him/herself to something they have indicated they have no wish to see?
It's SC's responsibility to God and country to protect the users from themselves.
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10/18/2007 07:49:45 PM · #184 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Then so be it. Espceially in a non-nude-specific category. I can (and will) skip those anyway when shoved in my face, so why not do the right thing and enforce the flag all the time? |
Yawwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn....
If you don't enjoy the human body, you are in the wrong hobby I'm afraid as the nude human body is probably the most photogenic subject out there.
You prudes sure do crack me up though. |
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10/18/2007 07:51:52 PM · #185 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by L2:
If you are suggesting that users be banned from ever seeing nudes simply by choosing to limit where and when they pop up on their screen, I think you must know how ridiculous an assertion that is. |
I do realize how ridiculous it sounds. But why allow a user to subject him/herself to something they have indicated they have no wish to see?
It's SC's responsibility to God and country to protect the users from themselves. |
It is NOT SC's responsibility to God and country to protect users from themselves. However, if a workable solution can be found through discussion to allow people who feel differently about nudity to co-exist peacefully, then why should we not try?
It appears you have lumped those users for whom nudity is never something they want to see in with those users for whom nudity is problematic at certain times of the day or when accessing the site from certain locations. This is an extended analogy argument, as much a fallacy to logic as the slippery slope. |
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10/18/2007 07:54:40 PM · #186 |
Originally posted by LanceW:
Yawwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn....
If you don't enjoy the human body, you are in the wrong hobby I'm afraid as the nude human body is probably the most photogenic subject out there.
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Oh now, come on, there are more things to photograph than nude bodies. Landscapes and kittens and duckies.... :-D
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10/18/2007 07:58:49 PM · #187 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by tjbel05:
I guess Im just a little confused. The ToS states that there may be offensive content. You agree, you pay, you participate....Hum you are an adult, you know nudes are possible. You decide, suck it up and deal with it, or move on, dont log on, dont join, dont participate. No one makes you join this site, and no one hides the fact that its not all candies and flowers. So make a choice, live with it or dont, you decided to join. |
It sounds like you are saying that user preferences should not be respected by DPC because DPC shouldn't care about customer service? |
Absolutely Not, I am sorry this was misunderstood. I just think that when you agree to the terms of service, it is unfair to expect certain changes based on personal beliefs. I dont care for nudes, and i have the filter on. I also understand you cant block certain images in voting so the votes are skewed. I am also an adult, and have made a decision to live with this. I think the fact that the filter is ther for 99% of the other situations is excellent cust serv. I apologize if I did not do a good job verbalizing my point of view. |
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10/18/2007 07:58:52 PM · #188 |
Again, the topic of this thread is not what subject is the best for photography, but whether user preferences should be respected during voting.
It's not a value judgment on nudity as an art form, it's an objective set of criteria for voting on challenges. |
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10/18/2007 08:00:55 PM · #189 |
Note that the following is personal opinion:
I believe that the downside to this far outweighs the upside. Yes, it's possible that we could make voting a little more work-safe, but we absolutely would skew voting. Nudes would both get less votes, and get votes from only those who want to view them. Neither situation is good.
We put the flag in place so that those who don't wish to view nudes during casual browsing won't be subjected to them, even though we state that nudity is acceptable on the site. IMO, going to the next step and putting a filter on voting is not something that would benefit the site.
We all *do* need to take personal responsibility. If voting at work will get someone in trouble, (nudes or no) then perhaps they shouldn't be doing it?? FWIW, I don't vote from work, though I do check in on breaks, lunch, and odd moments of free time during the day. |
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10/18/2007 08:00:59 PM · #190 |
Originally posted by L2:
It is NOT SC's responsibility to God and country to protect users from themselves. However, if a workable solution can be found through discussion to allow people who feel differently about nudity to co-exist peacefully, then why should we not try?
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I did support the filter at one time, remember? My reasoning was to protect my images from nude haters. I've argued the other side. And, as you, yourself, point out and was made clear to me before, that there is no way it would not skew voting.
We may be able to minimize the skew, but not eradicate it.
We could disallow nudes in open challenges, to give those work voters something to do. If that is the real motive. I feel that wouldn't go far enough though.
BTW, I came up with and supported the adult checkbox forum filter, which works most of the time, but as we have seen, it is still not enough for some users, as seen in the latest flair up involving Judi and an SC.
Message edited by author 2007-10-18 20:08:16.
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10/18/2007 08:11:02 PM · #191 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
The answer, for me anyway, lies in my Christian faith. ... Nudity however, encourages sinful thoughts and perhaps actions. |
You've just supplied the arugment why your suggestion should never be implemented. Your religious views and your ability or inability to practice them have no place in influencing my experience and enjoyment of this website. |
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10/18/2007 08:15:23 PM · #192 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by scalvert:
From the ToS: "You understand that by using the Website, you may be exposed to content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable."
Though your concerns are understandable, this isn't Highlights for Kids, and voting is the ONE place where all images must be visible for the sake of a fair and representative vote. Whether the subject matter is scary, alarming, gory, indecent, offensive or whatever else you can think of (within the limits of legality), it's important that the entire spectrum of voters see all images and vote their opinions accordingly. |
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10/18/2007 08:17:26 PM · #193 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Though your concerns are understandable, this isn't Highlights for Kids, and voting is the ONE place where all images must be visible for the sake of a fair and representative vote. Whether the subject matter is scary, alarming, gory, indecent, offensive or whatever else you can think of (within the limits of legality), it's important that the entire spectrum of voters see all images and vote their opinions accordingly. |
Then why do you allow them to be skipped? Voted low?[/quote]
Because there are valid reasons to skip an image (the photographer is your buddy, for example). Voting low is allowed to distinguish the good images from the bad images (that's kinda how scoring works). Though you only have to vote on 20% of the images, they are presented randomly for a reason- if you just ignore the ones you don't like, then a score that would have otherwise been marked down gets an artificial boost.
Everyone is dealt the same cards at random. There is a risk you might see a wild card, but if we hide those for only a few people, then the game isn't fair... and if we hide them for everyone, it isn't as fun. ;-) |
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10/18/2007 08:18:11 PM · #194 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by L2:
It is NOT SC's responsibility to God and country to protect users from themselves. However, if a workable solution can be found through discussion to allow people who feel differently about nudity to co-exist peacefully, then why should we not try?
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I did support the filter at one time, remember? My reasoning was to protect my images from nude haters. I've argued the other side. And, as you, yourself, point out and was made clear to me before, that there is no way it would not skew voting.
We may be able to minimize the skew, but not eradicate it.
We could disallow nudes in open challenges, to give those work voters something to do. If that is the real motive. I feel that wouldn't go far enough though.
BTW, I came up with and supported the adult checkbox forum filter, which works most of the time, but as we have seen, it is still not enough for some users, as seen in the latest flair up involving Judi and an SC. |
I am for any workable solution that would not skew voting results and also respect user preferences site-wide. I haven't seen one yet.
And again you are off with an extended analogy - it's not just about people voting during the workday or from a work computer during off-hours, it's also people who want to vote with anyone else in the room and not display nude images for them, kids have been mentioned but really age is not a pre-requisite for being respectful of others.
You might have noticed that this thread now has a "Warning" on it, because Forum Rule #7 was not followed by multiple users. |
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10/18/2007 08:20:55 PM · #195 |
Originally posted by L2:
You might have noticed that this thread now has a "Warning" on it, because Forum Rule #7 was not followed by multiple users. |
Post Contains Adult Content (there is no need to check this box if you're only posting an adult thumb)
We were what?
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10/18/2007 08:22:07 PM · #196 |
Originally posted by L2:
Again, the topic of this thread is not what subject is the best for photography, but whether user preferences should be respected during voting.
It's not a value judgment on nudity as an art form, it's an objective set of criteria for voting on challenges. |
If someone is so against the human body that they just can't stand to look at it, and their user preference is not to view it, then they should not be able to vote on ANY image. |
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10/18/2007 08:22:50 PM · #197 |
"When posting potentially adult content, include a warning. When possible, include the warning in your subject line. If you are posting in an existing thread, consider carefully whether the content is appropriate for the thread. If it is, include a warning at the beginning of your post. Unless your warning is in the subject line, any images must be linked rather than thumbnailed or posted directly."
Although to be fair, with "Nude" in the title it's not a stretch to think there'd be some nude images posted. :)
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10/18/2007 08:23:42 PM · #198 |
Originally posted by L2:
I am for any workable solution that would not skew voting results and also respect user preferences site-wide. I haven't seen one yet.
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I don't believe there is one. The only logical solutions are to:
1) don't allow voting while the nude filter is engaged.
2) don't allow nudes at all
3) leave this feature as is and pray
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10/18/2007 08:25:19 PM · #199 |
Originally posted by L2:
"When posting potentially adult content, include a warning. When possible, include the warning in your subject line. If you are posting in an existing thread, consider carefully whether the content is appropriate for the thread. If it is, include a warning at the beginning of your post. Unless your warning is in the subject line, any images must be linked rather than thumbnailed or posted directly."
Although to be fair, with "Nude" in the title it's not a stretch to think there'd be some nude images posted. :) |
Off-topic: one of those needs to be changed, don't you agree? There is a bit of conflict between the two, with one being more prominent than the other.
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10/18/2007 08:25:39 PM · #200 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
3) leave this feature as is and pray |
Or, maybe people could choose to comment on Recently Uploaded photos instead of voting? |
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