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10/18/2007 05:58:37 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by dudephil:
Pretty amazing stuff for this poor old nude artist, eh? |
He's a great photog, but his model goes a long longggggg way towards helping those images out. |
You really think that how the model looks really means anything? Surely you aren't saying that a beautiful, naked girl could evoke a feeling of lust are you? You must be crazaaahh!
Anywho, while his model certainly doesn't hurt the cause, his knowledge and exquisite use of lighting is what makes his images perfect/near perfect. I couldn't take her and do what he does as my lighting knowledge pretty much parallels my surgical skill. That's the main difference between a nude artist and a guy that shoots naked chicks - well, that and hot models. |
No argument, his photos are excellent in every regard. |
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10/18/2007 06:00:27 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by travis_cooper:
From my perspective I don't think that hiding the nude photos would alter the results. |
C'mon, think about it. If any significant minority of the voters used this filter, there's gonna be fewer votes cast on nude images than on other entries. This is going to have an effect, one way or the other. And it's not unreasonable to assume that more of the voters in the excluded group would have been low-score voters rather than high-score voters, since they don't want to look at nudes. End result = a higher average for the same photo if it is screened. Maybe not by much, but it is gonna happen.
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10/18/2007 06:04:54 PM · #153 |
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10/18/2007 06:06:45 PM · #154 |
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10/18/2007 06:11:14 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by travis_cooper:
From my perspective I don't think that hiding the nude photos would alter the results. |
C'mon, think about it. If any significant minority of the voters used this filter, there's gonna be fewer votes cast on nude images than on other entries. This is going to have an effect, one way or the other. And it's not unreasonable to assume that more of the voters in the excluded group would have been low-score voters rather than high-score voters, since they don't want to look at nudes. End result = a higher average for the same photo if it is screened. Maybe not by much, but it is gonna happen.
R. |
You obviously didn't read everything I wrote. I was simply stating that hiding the nude pictures for me wouldn't change my vote. Because it would be a non-vote either way. Later on I said that of course other people might have some affect on voting, because some people will just vote it low because it offends them. If people were really worried this pictures were getting higher scores, then they could explicitly go into the picture and vote it low. It is just one extra click, not that difficult.
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10/18/2007 06:13:33 PM · #156 |
| I have been watching this thread through out the day and the arguments seem to be valid on both sides but n real solution have been offered that both sides can agree upon. I personally like nudes but I do not want my children to see them necessarily, so how hard would it be to add a disclaimer that this challege contains nudity on the front page when the challege is ready for voting. This should prevent the suprise of the nudity and let you vote at an appropriate time when you can view the nudity and it should not skew the voting as the thumbnails will still be present. |
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10/18/2007 06:14:57 PM · #157 |
| Or, one could err on the side of caution and just assume that there will be nudity, as there are some here that simply cannot resist posting T&A. |
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10/18/2007 06:16:26 PM · #158 |
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10/18/2007 06:16:34 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by ssmith363:
...let you vote at an appropriate time when you can view the nudity and it should not skew the voting as the thumbnails will still be present. |
This isn't just about kids, I don't want to see the nudity. There is no "appropriate" time, when I'm not around.
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10/18/2007 06:18:47 PM · #160 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by L2:
Or, one could err on the side of caution and just assume that there will be nudity, as there are some here that simply cannot resist posting T&A. |
Or like comedians that curse, they have no real creativity anyway. |
I really hope that was sarcasm...or a joke of some sort.
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10/18/2007 06:22:11 PM · #161 |
And thats fine if you do not want to see nudity but if you are warned ahead of time then you don't have to vote and you can view the photos after the voting is done and your adult content check box should take effect and you would never see the nudity.Originally posted by travis_cooper:
Originally posted by ssmith363:
...let you vote at an appropriate time when you can view the nudity and it should not skew the voting as the thumbnails will still be present. |
This isn't just about kids, I don't want to see the nudity. There is no "appropriate" time, when I'm not around. |
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10/18/2007 06:25:43 PM · #162 |
Originally posted by ssmith363:
And thats fine if you do not want to see nudity but if you are warned ahead of time then you don't have to vote and you can view the photos after the voting is done and your adult content check box should take effect and you would never see the nudity.Originally posted by travis_cooper:
Originally posted by ssmith363:
...let you vote at an appropriate time when you can view the nudity and it should not skew the voting as the thumbnails will still be present. |
This isn't just about kids, I don't want to see the nudity. There is no "appropriate" time, when I'm not around. |
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Oh, so now instead of not voting on a few pictures, I just opt to not vote on any of them?
I still don't see what is wrong with having a warning picture, instead of the actual picture, while I'm voting, and those that want to vote on it can, but those of us that don't can just skip it. Of course you wouldn't see the warning if your preferences were setup saying you want to see nudity.
But like I said earlier, I can live with whatever is there, I will find a way to avoid it as much as possible.
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10/18/2007 06:35:53 PM · #163 |
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10/18/2007 06:41:15 PM · #164 |
Oh and just so we can see this has been discussed before...
Is DPC a "Family Site"?
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by lkn4truth:
Is DPC a "Family Site"? |
No. We are an artist community with an educational focus. That sometimes means allowing or even inviting content that would allow us to classify ourselves as a "family site."
To my knowledge, DPChallenge has never claimed to be, or attempted to pass itself off as, a family site. That some users think it is or claim that it is does not make it so. |
That some users think it is or claim that it is does not make it so. |
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10/18/2007 06:51:05 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by L2:
Or, one could err on the side of caution and just assume that there will be nudity, as there are some here that simply cannot resist posting T&A. |
Or like comedians that curse, they have no real creativity anyway. |
Wow, I hope that was sarcasm. just because you dont care to see a particular subject does not make the photographer any less creative. That to me, if you were not being sarcastic is mean and personal.
Originally posted by scalvert:
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From the ToS: "You understand that by using the Website, you may be exposed to content that is offensive, indecent or objectionable."
Im not crazy about them either. But they are a valid form of art. When you go to school or work, and dont care for a certain area of training or subject, are you just supposed to ignore it? Block it? Cover it? Or do you learn what you can from it and become more well rounded? As for my daughter, I would rather her look at a beautifully composed photo of a nude, than an antiseptic diagram in a school book.
Message edited by author 2007-10-18 18:58:08.
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10/18/2007 06:52:19 PM · #166 |
I used to believe DPC was a learning site. I no longer believe that. I've come to realize with some help from others this:
DPC is a competition/social site, everything else is a bonus.
Every major decision that is made about DPC effects how it functions as a competition site or a social site, with the vast majority of those going toward the competition side.
It is not a family site, it is not a learning site and it is not a work replacement site, although it can function for each for the right viewer.
If any feature skews voting just a little, it will not be implemented. Because it would seriously undermine "voting integrity" or whatever the hell that is.
If it were, we'd have outbursts weekly on how so and so nude image did not deserve to get such a high score... and the proponents of that outburst would be the same in favor of this feature, I believe.
Message edited by author 2007-10-18 18:53:42.
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10/18/2007 06:53:19 PM · #167 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
He's a great photog, but his model goes a long longggggg way towards helping those images out. |
Bianca Beauchamp inspires lustful thoughts in full clothing. |
We can agree on that, if nothing else. |
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10/18/2007 06:53:57 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
He's a great photog, but his model goes a long longggggg way towards helping those images out. |
Bianca Beauchamp inspires lustful thoughts in full clothing. |
We can agree on that, if nothing else. |
:-D
The girl is on wikipedia :-)
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Beauchamp
Message edited by author 2007-10-18 19:00:30.
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10/18/2007 07:02:29 PM · #169 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
He's a great photog, but his model goes a long longggggg way towards helping those images out. |
Bianca Beauchamp inspires lustful thoughts in full clothing. |
We can agree on that, if nothing else. |
:-D
The girl is on wikipedia :-)
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Beauchamp |
Wtf??? Jones has been holding out on us. If I want to see any DVD getting pimped on DPC for free, it damn well better be this one:
"In 2007, she released her film Bianca Beauchamp: All Access, a reality-documentary directed and edited by her partner Martin Perreault. The 85 minute film was Premiered at Fantasia Film Festival in July 2007 and issued as a 2-disc Special Edition DVD in September 2007." |
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10/18/2007 07:04:23 PM · #170 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Wtf??? Jones has been holding out on us. If I want to see any DVD getting pimped on DPC for free, it damn well better be this one:
"In 2007, she released her film Bianca Beauchamp: All Access, a reality-documentary directed and edited by her partner Martin Perreault. The 85 minute film was Premiered at Fantasia Film Festival in July 2007 and issued as a 2-disc Special Edition DVD in September 2007." |
LMAO, agreed!
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10/18/2007 07:08:28 PM · #171 |
The question at hand is whether or not nude images should be flagged during voting, not who wants to see Bianca's video in the forums as opposed to Joey's video.
Argument for: User preferences regarding nudity should be respected in all areas of the site at all stages of submission/voting/post-challenge/in the forums.
Argument against: Hiding images during voting will skew the scoring.
Please stay on topic, K? Thanks.
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10/18/2007 07:11:09 PM · #172 |
Originally posted by L2:
The question at hand is whether or not nude images should be flagged during voting, not who wants to see Bianca's video in the forums as opposed to Joey's video.
Argument for: User preferences regarding nudity should be respected in all areas of the site at all stages of submission/voting/post-challenge/in the forums.
Argument against: Hiding images during voting will skew the scoring.
Please stay on topic, K? Thanks. |
Plus, speaking against: if we establish a precedent for this sort of screening, how long before people demand violence/gore screening as well? Do we want to move in this direction?
R.
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10/18/2007 07:12:07 PM · #173 |
Originally posted by L2:
The question at hand is whether or not nude images should be flagged during voting, not who wants to see Bianca's video in the forums as opposed to Joey's video.
Argument for: User preferences regarding nudity should be respected in all areas of the site at all stages of submission/voting/post-challenge/in the forums.
Argument against: Hiding images during voting will skew the scoring.
Please stay on topic, K? Thanks. |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I used to believe DPC was a learning site. I no longer believe that. I've come to realize with some help from others this:
DPC is a competition/social site, everything else is a bonus.
Every major decision that is made about DPC effects how it functions as a competition site or a social site, with the vast majority of those going toward the competition side.
It is not a family site, it is not a learning site and it is not a work replacement site, although it can function for each for the right viewer.
If any feature skews voting just a little, it will not be implemented. Because it would seriously undermine "voting integrity" or whatever the hell that is.
If it were, we'd have outbursts weekly on how so and so nude image did not deserve to get such a high score... and the proponents of that outburst would be the same in favor of this feature, I believe. |
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10/18/2007 07:16:58 PM · #174 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Plus, speaking against: if we establish a precedent for this sort of screening, how long before people demand violence/gore screening as well? Do we want to move in this direction?
R. |
The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy. Just because one event should occur does NOT mean that another will.
The only question really is whether respecting user preferences during voting will lead to skewed scores. Given how freaked out people are when friend votes get cast, I'm surprised to see so many people indicate they don't believe skewed scores are a real concern. |
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10/18/2007 07:17:48 PM · #175 |
Originally posted by L2:
Given how freaked out people are when friend votes get cast, I'm surprised to see so many people indicate they don't believe skewed scores are a real concern. |
Tru Dat! |
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