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Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

10/14/2007 11:22:25 PM · #1

Here is a question:

Are we allowed to put ad for our products in DPC forums and promote it?

Ps: We will need lot of pop corn I guess.

Nikon D200

10/14/2007 11:23:37 PM · #2

Zxaar, this is a good discussion point, but it doesn't belong in Buy/Sell.

Do you want it in General Discussion or Member Discussion?

10/14/2007 11:25:59 PM · #3

Originally posted by L2:

Zxaar, this is a good discussion point, but it doesn't belong in Buy/Sell.

Do you want it in General Discussion or Member Discussion?

Please put it anywhere you feel it belongs. I had hard time deciding it.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

10/14/2007 11:30:27 PM · #4

A lot of us sell and promote our prints on here. Hell, it's even a site feature.

As long as it's not spammish and coming from someone that is an established member, it doesn't bother me.

Ofourse, as was told to me about other site feature suggestions, it doesn't matter how I feel.

Nikon D200

10/14/2007 11:30:46 PM · #5

What DO you guys think about this?

It's currently under discussion within SC, but so far, nothing has been decided.

Does it matter if it's a product, or a service? Do you not want to see third-party offerings at all? Or should Buy/Sell be expanded to accomodate them? Please keep in mind that currently the Buy/Sell area is for Members Only, and that Registered Users cannot see that forum area.

Where do you think the line should be drawn with regard to how long someone has to be around to offer a product or service?

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

10/14/2007 11:44:36 PM · #6

I say leave well enough alone. There's enough clutter around here.

Monique64

Canon EOS-30D

10/14/2007 11:45:02 PM · #7

I dont mind but I think there should be a separate forum section for it so that people who aren't interested can decide not to look at a thread. This keeps promotion separate from other photographic stuff.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

10/14/2007 11:45:49 PM · #8

How about:
1) Rename "Buy/Sell" to "Buy/Sell Equipment."
2) Create a new member-only forum "Sell Services and Products'
3) You have to be a member, period. No time delay - you pay your $25, you can post. That's self-enforcing, so no additional SC burden. It might also attract some new paying members.

Try it out for a while, and if there's too many posts in that forum on the home page crowding out normal discussion, think about it again.

Alternatively, create a business section of the home page forum listings to keep the ads separate from the discussions, and move buy/sell there, too.

Yes, you can filter those forums out, but I'd bet a tiny percentage of members knows that.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

10/14/2007 11:46:13 PM · #9

Originally posted by L2:

Do you not want to see third-party offerings at all?

Please define "third party offerings"; as far as I know we haven't had any of those. We have second-party sales, where the creator of the product or service markets it directly to others. Third-party, as far as I know, would refer to retailers buying product in bulk and offering it here. Like I can get a good deal on 100 copies of "Photoshop for Dummies" and then offer them for sale at a markup. Or some entirely non-DPC, established retailer, could market his product through the forums. Is this what you mean?

It's an interesting question. We absolutely do NOT want "outsiders" spamming our forums for profit. IMO anyway... I'm a little more ambivalent about the "Joey model", second-party sales where someone who's a member creates something and then markets it to the members. I'm OK with it right now, but I might be less OK if we had 100 people doing the same thing, so....

R.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

10/14/2007 11:47:28 PM · #10

Only if all the members agree to gang up on and deride anyone who actually charges what their product is worth.

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

10/14/2007 11:47:42 PM · #11

My opinion... (not even sure if it's worth two cents, but who knows, maybe with inflation)

I don't mind discussions of products (generally by end users rather than producers) in the general forums. For example, I hype Fotofusion, ProShow Gold, Photoshop and Lightroom in various forums all the time because I use them and they work well.

But actually selling products... I think belongs in a buy/sell forum where, if that's what we are looking for, we can go find it. Otherwise we can easily ignore it.

Also, if someone asks a question for which the right answer is "Product X", I don't mind seeing them post a link over to that forum, in the same manner in which I link to the home pages of the products I use.

It doesn't seem like a big deal at the moment. But if the practice of selling products in the forums becomes more pervasive, the front page threads may completely change their shape.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

10/14/2007 11:48:14 PM · #12

Next thing ya know Ken will be selling pitch forks and torches and Kirby will have vacuum ads.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

10/14/2007 11:51:57 PM · #13

Originally posted by zxaar:

Here is a question:
Are we allowed to put ad for our products in DPC forums and promote it?
Ps: We will need lot of pop corn I guess.

I'd like to post my review:

Frankly it was quite greasy - and not like butter flavored grease either - more like axle grease. I also found two cockroaches scurrying around in the bag. I don't know if they were put there for the "gourmet" flavor, but I rarely like bugs in my food - although, I must say they did taste like chicken. Overall, I think I will stick to Orville Reddenbacher. Thumbs down from me. :(

As for allowing people to pander their photo-related wares here, I don't much mind, but I think it's a slippery slope and it will just cause more upheaval than normal - but then who doesn't like upheaval?

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

10/14/2007 11:52:34 PM · #14

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

Next thing ya know Ken will be selling pitch forks and torches and Kirby will have vacuum ads.

That's that slippery slope I was referring to.

Upheaval! UPHEAVAL!!!

10/14/2007 11:54:07 PM · #15

I like upheavels

10/15/2007 12:04:34 AM · #16

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:

I like upheavels

Depends on what is being heaved up :-/

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

10/15/2007 12:18:43 AM · #17

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by NstiG8tr:
I like upheavels

Depends on what is being heaved up :-/

You're probably right Leroy. What do I know, Im just a registered user again.

Rebecca

Nikon D80

10/15/2007 12:18:55 AM · #18

Originally posted by levyj413:

I'd be on board with this idea, but only if the forum was viewable to and the posts respondable by non-members. Basically, members are the only ones allowed to START a post, but then everyone can pile on. I mean, as a seller, don't you want the widest audience possible? And don't you want them to be able to ask questions about it to make a purchasing decision?

Message edited by author 2007-10-15 00:20:39.

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

10/15/2007 12:20:12 AM · #19

The reason I started this thread is, I know that Joey's thread originally started in buy/sell portion but was moved to other forum by SC. The reason was SC thought it was not appropiate for buy/sell forum. They were right (in my opinion).
But then people like me started saying that it does not belong to tips .. forum also. So where do these types of thread belong.
I know SC is considering this issue. So wish to see what others feel about it.

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

10/15/2007 12:22:28 AM · #20

I don't think Joey's message has anything at all to do with tips. I think messages that directly share tips (not how to go about purchasing them) is what belongs in that forum. To me, it made more sense to keep it in the buy/sell forum. He's selling. Some people are buying.

10/15/2007 12:23:29 AM · #21

Originally posted by zxaar:

So where do these types of thread belong.

Ebay maybe.

10/15/2007 12:24:06 AM · #22

Originally posted by dwterry:

I agree... members or general would have been a better choice than tips.

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

10/15/2007 12:27:11 AM · #23

Originally posted by dwterry:

I don't think Joey's message has anything at all to do with tips. I think messages that directly share tips (not how to go about purchasing them) is what belongs in that forum.

I think pointing this out was one thing other people did not like.

I personally think that if you have a product, that you will be constantly selling , say for months or years, it shall not be allowed to put at DPC. (its cheap advertising thinking that we only pay 25$ and get this much of crowd as we get at DPC).
Pretty clever of someone to use this.
In buy/sell section we have seen people selling their cameras, but not making it a business of selling cameras.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

10/15/2007 12:27:37 AM · #24

Originally posted by dwterry:

That's the logical answer, and it was my initial opinion... there are a couple reasons why it's not in there currently:
- Current Buy/Sell rules prohibit commercial sales
- Long-standing practice has been to allow commercial sales of one's own product by established members

Given the above, it was moved out of Buy/Sell, which seems loony... but now y'all know the logic behind it. It does seem some restructuring is in order. We do appreciate community feedback as to how to proceed.