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 09/06/2007 11:05:06 PM · #1
It's legal right? If so, why? How is it different then say using a clip art of water or drawing it yourself both of which I'm pretty sure is illegal. Just wondering since the only effects filters I ever use is tone mapping related.

Message edited by author 2007-09-06 23:05:49.
 09/06/2007 11:16:22 PM · #2
I think it is different from clipart because you are manipulating a photo you took, not another person's work.
 09/06/2007 11:16:25 PM · #3
As far as I know it IS legal. And is IS a mapping effect. Flood distorts the existing pixels to create the effect, thus the reflection, etc. Atleast that's the way I understand it.

09/06/2007 11:18:42 PM · #4
Hey, let's have another thread where a bazillion people guess whether something is legal! :P

Richard, howzabout sending a note to the SC and then posting the answer here?
 09/06/2007 11:19:41 PM · #5
Originally posted by levyj413:
Hey, let's have another thread where a bazillion people guess whether something is legal! :P

Richard, howzabout sending a note to the SC and then posting the answer here?


I wasn't guessing. I've used it in a challenge. :P

:D
 09/06/2007 11:24:43 PM · #6
Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Hey, let's have another thread where a bazillion people guess whether something is legal! :P

Richard, howzabout sending a note to the SC and then posting the answer here?


I wasn't guessing. I've used it in a challenge. :P

:D

Was it validated? *goes off to search through Cindi's expert editing entries.*
 09/06/2007 11:27:05 PM · #7
Originally posted by levyj413:
Hey, let's have another thread where a bazillion people guess whether something is legal! :P

Richard, howzabout sending a note to the SC and then posting the answer here?


Or better yet I'll send the note and when/if I get an answer I'll just keep it to myself.
 09/06/2007 11:27:25 PM · #8


Took 37th. No validation request.
09/06/2007 11:28:48 PM · #9
Red ribbon, validated
 09/06/2007 11:29:33 PM · #10
Well, that settles it. :)

Message edited by author 2007-09-06 23:30:09.
 09/06/2007 11:29:35 PM · #11
Originally posted by jdannels:
I think it is different from clipart because you are manipulating a photo you took, not another person's work.


So it doesn't just replace image area with water and overlays a reflection on it? The reflection part looks like it comes from the photo but the water looks like photo realistic clip art to me. I haven't used it so I don't know.
 09/06/2007 11:32:23 PM · #12
Has anybody used it in advance?

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 09/06/2007 11:33:35 PM · #13
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by jdannels:
I think it is different from clipart because you are manipulating a photo you took, not another person's work.


So it doesn't just replace image area with water and overlays a reflection on it? The reflection part looks like it comes from the photo but the water looks like photo realistic clip art to me. I haven't used it so I don't know.

I haven't either. Its the blind leading the blind, lol.
But I think its just distortion and perspective shift.
 09/06/2007 11:33:47 PM · #14
Download from Flaming pear & give it a try! Great fun to play with.
09/07/2007 12:29:34 AM · #15
Originally posted by yanko:
Has anybody used it in advance?

I'm pretty sure it's not legal in Advanced, because of the prohibition on "creating new shapes" and that it would obviously change soemone's description of the picture, or however that's being phrased these days.
 09/07/2007 12:51:10 AM · #16
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by yanko:
Has anybody used it in advance?

I'm pretty sure it's not legal in Advanced, because of the prohibition on "creating new shapes" and that it would obviously change soemone's description of the picture, or however that's being phrased these days.


Could it be used subtly? For example, say if it was applied to a photo that already had water and a reflection in it?
09/07/2007 12:56:07 AM · #17
Originally posted by yanko:
Could it be used subtly? For example, say if it was applied to a photo that already had water and a reflection in it?

Not if it results in you getting yet another ribbon. ;-)

*sorry for the hijack Richard. just had to poke at ya a bit. :-D*
 09/07/2007 01:00:21 AM · #18
Originally posted by yanko:
Could it be used subtly? For example, say if it was applied to a photo that already had water and a reflection in it?


I would think so. The key is that a filter must not create a new "thing," such as water where no water existed before. Subtly enhancing an existing feature should be fine IMO.
 09/07/2007 01:23:21 AM · #19
Originally posted by scalvert:
Subtly enhancing an existing feature should be fine IMO.

I agree, with an emphasis on "subtle" and "enhance" for best odds.

For example, even though my entry definitely had an existing motion blur in the background (I was panning pretty quickly), I was advised to not enter this if I knew what was good for me ... ;-)

I think the most extreme I've personally done in this regard is May Flowers from a very old (November, 2004) "Calendar" challenge -- even though it closely followed the first "Impressionism" challenge, it was not that well-received anyway ... :-(
 09/07/2007 01:32:26 AM · #20
Based on where you set the horizon in the image when using the flood filter, the filter mirrors the image above the horizon and then distorts it. If you set all the settings on the filter to zero, the image will mirror from above the horizon with no distortions.

09/07/2007 02:58:27 AM · #21
Originally posted by banmorn:
Based on where you set the horizon in the image when using the flood filter, the filter mirrors the image above the horizon and then distorts it. If you set all the settings on the filter to zero, the image will mirror from above the horizon with no distortions.


Thanks for the summary ... I know what flower I want to use for this now :-)

Of course, you can always go someplace where there's some water ... ;-)

09/07/2007 03:09:41 AM · #22
I did this quite some time ago.


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