vote on 1 complete challenge before you can enter

08/30/2007 02:35:16 PM · #26

Originally posted by focuspoint:

We should bring muffins or bagels for those visits...

I prefer beer.......

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08/30/2007 02:38:19 PM · #27

Ray, thank you for trying to keep things civilized. My statement in regards to the attacks were from other threads, not this one.

In hind site I did not mean to sound quite so bad spirited. (sorry Gordon, I should not have been so ignorantly blunt, but my overall feeling is still the same) I have simply become very jaded with this site. Way to much bitching (which I have contributed to) and then more bitching when suggestions are made to try to improve things.

Unfortunately I think that the whole thing is a stalemate which will result in the one thing that neither side wants. The continued downward spiral of this formerly fine site into a clique oriented cesspool of bitterness. That does nothing to improve anyone's photography skills or to help showcase the work of the vast number of great photographers that lurk here.

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 14:40:09.

dahved

Canon EOS-50D

08/30/2007 02:41:06 PM · #28

Originally posted by basssman7:

Simply shooting down every suggestion made by others is certainly not free thinking. It is a sign of closed minded thinking, or possibly no thinking at all.

It's entirely possible there's some other history between you and Gordon, as I can't read all threads, so perhaps there have been other times when his posts have seemed to "ridicule or attack," but from what I see here, his idea that people would circumvent the proposed requirement by simply voting randomly makes sense, and appears to have taken some thought...

08/30/2007 02:43:06 PM · #29

[quote=PhotoInterest]
I EQUALLY agree that we shouldn't be able to vote in challenges in which we are entered. /quote]

This one bugs me when I see it. If we can't vote on the challenges we enter, who the heck is going to vote on the challenges? I understand the feelings behind this sentiment. But how is your one vote per each entry going to help you? If you think you're going to vote 1 on every entry except your own, SC is going to detect that. I suspect they will probably detect schemes even less overt. I have no problem with people voting for my entries when they have entries in the same challenge. We're mostly all adults here. Even if you do have some scheme that won't get detected you're not going to influence other scores enough to matter.

Please! Would the website owners , or SC, or *BOTH*, please announce it's ok to vote on challenges you're entered in?????? Please!

08/30/2007 02:45:03 PM · #30

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Wouldn't you rather have people vote at their leisure, when they have time to do so, AND because they want to - instead of having people zipping thru just casting any vote to get thru it so they can enter the challenge they want?

BINGO!!!!!!

Thankyou!!!

08/30/2007 02:50:45 PM · #31

Originally posted by basssman7:

So it appears yet again that there are some of us that make suggestions to try and improve the site, who are then attacked and ridiculed by the same people that always do the attacking around here. (who incidently also like to complain about the status quo.)

Hell. Attack??? Ridicule???

I've not read all the posts yet but I've not see those yet. Alternative viewpoints. Personal feelings on the subject. Yup. I've seen those. I look forward to seeing any ideas for improving the website that you may have.
I'd further encourage you to submit your idea as a ticket so the owners can consider it.
Keep up the good work. I suspect only a fraction of the membership ever offer a suggestion.

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08/30/2007 02:51:23 PM · #32

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Wouldn't you rather have people vote at their leisure, when they have time to do so, AND because they want to - instead of having people zipping thru just casting any vote to get thru it so they can enter the challenge they want?

BINGO!!!!!!

Thankyou!!!

Sorry, but I do not agree at all. I think that most would realize while they are voting on other people's shots, that someone else is doing the same to theirs. Hopefully they would act accordingly. As others have pointed out, you would likely vote on challenges that interest you. If that is the case I would hope that you would not simply cruise through... I thought that we were here to view each other's work and learn from it?

Lets face it, when you are voting on a challenge you are entered in you are no longer impartial. Since a site like this depends on impartial voting, and even more importantly THE APPEARANCE OF IMPARTIAL VOTING, the results will have a lot less bitching if they voting is being done by people that did not submit on that challenge.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

08/30/2007 02:52:09 PM · #33

I do think we need some prerequisite in order to vote, but no prereq's to enter. My preferences for prereqs:

- NOT related to number of comments
- I like the idea of challenge entries (2 or 3) as a prereq
- an IQ test (but that's wishful thinking - how about Troll DNA test?)

Originally posted by basssman7:

a clique oriented cesspool of bitterness.

Hope you don't mind, I borrowed that for my siggy. :)

RayEthier

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Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

08/30/2007 02:59:56 PM · #34

Originally posted by basssman7:

Lets face it, when you are voting on a challenge you are entered in you are no longer impartial. Since a site like this depends on impartial voting, and even more importantly THE APPEARANCE OF IMPARTIAL VOTING, the results will have a lot less bitching if they voting is being done by people that did not submit on that challenge.

The statement you make pre-supposes that people might be influenced by the score they receive and that in some instances could prove detrimental to those poor souls whose images they in turn are scoring.

Assuming such was the case, would we not be better served by simply removing the ability to view scores to all persons that entered a specific challenge. If people have no idea as to what their personal score is, one could argue that this factor would eradicate any tendency at revenge voting.

Ray

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/30/2007 03:02:30 PM · #35

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by basssman7:
a clique oriented cesspool of bitterness.

Hope you don't mind, I borrowed that for my siggy. :)

LOL no problem.

Message edited by author 2007-08-30 15:05:04.

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

08/30/2007 03:04:00 PM · #36

Originally posted by basssman7:

.....The continued downward spiral of this formerly fine site into a clique oriented cesspool of bitterness.....

Hmmm...

RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

08/30/2007 03:06:09 PM · #37

Originally posted by doctornick:

Originally posted by basssman7:
.....The continued downward spiral of this formerly fine site into a clique oriented cesspool of bitterness.....

Hmmm...

...I'll bet good money there is one of them, oh waddaya call em... subterrainian messages there!

Ray

glad2badad

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Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

08/30/2007 03:07:41 PM · #38

From rereading your OP, it sounds like your concept is to increase the number of votes per challenge to offset/dilute the impact of "troll" voters.

Forcing people to vote on the prior weeks challenge to enter the current one isn't a viable solution IMO.

First; "trolls" are overstated - not really an issue in the big picture.

Second; people WILL zip thru and speed vote to qualify for entering the upcoming challenge. Let's be real about this. It's going to happen.

Third; whatever challenge has the smallest number of entries will certainly get the lions share of votes.

Fourth; many people shelled out $25 for a membership here to enter challenges on the current format of the website. Saying they "have" to vote to enter isn't going to sit well with many - myself included.

08/30/2007 03:15:50 PM · #39

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Fourth; many people shelled out $25 for a membership here to enter challenges on the current format of the website. Saying they "have" to vote to enter isn't going to sit well with many - myself included.

Ok, fair enough. But that means that there can never be any changes made to the site. How can the site then stay current with changing needs and wants of it's members?

rich

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

08/30/2007 03:19:19 PM · #40

Originally posted by basssman7:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Fourth; many people shelled out $25 for a membership here to enter challenges on the current format of the website. Saying they "have" to vote to enter isn't going to sit well with many - myself included.

Ok, fair enough. But that means that there can never be any changes made to the site. How can the site then stay current with changing needs and wants of it's members?

Change does not always impact how someone uses the site. The site owners can (and have) added all kinds of features that the populace can take advantage of or simply ignore.

This change directly impacts the amount of time a user has to commit to the site to enter challenges. That's a big change. Too big.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

08/30/2007 03:23:14 PM · #41

Originally posted by basssman7:

Ok, fair enough. But that means that there can never be any changes made to the site. How can the site then stay current with changing needs and wants of it's members?

It usually does change when a significant number of members indicate they want it to change.