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08/23/2007 06:15:43 AM · #26 |
| Sorry, but what does 'CHONGER' mean? |
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08/23/2007 06:21:09 AM · #27 |
The Chonger is Kim Jong Ill, the leader of North Korea.
Originally posted by MAK:
Sorry, but what does 'CHONGER' mean? |
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08/23/2007 07:05:11 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
The Chonger is Kim Jong Ill, the leader of North Korea.
Originally posted by MAK:
Sorry, but what does 'CHONGER' mean? |
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lol, anyone here seen Team America? The Kim Jong Ill character is so funny. Especialy his touching song about being "So lonely".
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08/23/2007 07:05:37 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by sabphoto:
Originally posted by Matthew:
Clone and repeat. Clone and repeat.
Is that the nature of photoshop, or just the armed forces... |
neither, it's the nature of skeptics to assume that it can't possibly be the real thing...but hey with what can be done today can't say I blame ya. |
Oh I assure you that I don't believe that the image was faked - my comment was more of an observation on the nature of armed forces.
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08/23/2007 10:37:38 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
There isn't a stealth bomber in the photo because it is not time for their rotation to Guam. |
But how do you KNOW that there are no Stealth bombers in there? They're pretty hard to see! ;) |
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08/23/2007 10:55:11 AM · #31 |
| Sometimes it would be nice if people remembered that this site is not exclusively for the use of residents of the US and their European proteges. There may well be people visiting here from countries where these forces, or others like them, are presently involved in killing people. |
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08/23/2007 10:56:28 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by chip_k:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
There isn't a stealth bomber in the photo because it is not time for their rotation to Guam. |
But how do you KNOW that there are no Stealth bombers in there? They're pretty hard to see! ;) |
Hard to see on radar. In sunlight they stand out quite well visually. |
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08/23/2007 10:57:50 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by thelobster:
Sometimes it would be nice if people remembered that this site is not exclusively for the use of residents of the US and their European proteges. There may well be people visiting here from countries where these forces, or others like them, are presently involved in killing people. |
You always have the option of not reading it. It's a free world we live in. |
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08/23/2007 12:48:30 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
Originally posted by thelobster:
Sometimes it would be nice if people remembered that this site is not exclusively for the use of residents of the US and their European proteges. There may well be people visiting here from countries where these forces, or others like them, are presently involved in killing people. |
You always have the option of not reading it. It's a free world we live in. |
Another person could see this as...wow look at this amazing show of force, which cant even take over a dilapidated poor country like Iraq |
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08/23/2007 12:51:43 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by kolasi:
Originally posted by doctornick:
Originally posted by thelobster:
Sometimes it would be nice if people remembered that this site is not exclusively for the use of residents of the US and their European proteges. There may well be people visiting here from countries where these forces, or others like them, are presently involved in killing people. |
You always have the option of not reading it. It's a free world we live in. |
Another person could see this as...wow look at this amazing show of force, which cant even take over a dilapidated poor country like Iraq |
Another person might say, look at all the money they spend on that weaponry and they lack the will to fully exploit it... |
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08/23/2007 12:58:18 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by kolasi:
Originally posted by doctornick:
Originally posted by thelobster:
Sometimes it would be nice if people remembered that this site is not exclusively for the use of residents of the US and their European proteges. There may well be people visiting here from countries where these forces, or others like them, are presently involved in killing people. |
You always have the option of not reading it. It's a free world we live in. |
Another person could see this as...wow look at this amazing show of force, which cant even take over a dilapidated poor country like Iraq |
Another person might say, look at all the money they spend on that weaponry and they lack the will to fully exploit it... |
Oh yeah, those weapons could level a country, but to make that country succumb to its authority it would need more than a couble of bombs. Its a lesson many have learned such as Hitler, Stalin, and Johnson learned the hard way
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08/23/2007 01:10:45 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by kolasi:
Another person could see this as... |
Or one could just enjoy the picture without political overtones.
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08/23/2007 01:21:06 PM · #38 |
| Nice idea Brad - and I don't want to add any fuel to the debate above which I may have kicked off. What I would like is to for the site to be free as far as possible of political content, but not simply by looking away, as was suggested, or by pretending that certain images do not have political content when they clearly do. At present, and almost inevitably, such comment and content tends to be very one sided. I do not want a ban or a rule against content or pictures either. I would just like a little discretion to be used as to what is or is not appropriate (or good manners) to be on the boards here. |
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08/23/2007 01:27:21 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by thelobster:
Nice idea Brad - and I don't want to add any fuel to the debate above which I may have kicked off. What I would like is to for the site to be free as far as possible of political content, but not simply by looking away, as was suggested, or by pretending that certain images do not have political content when they clearly do. At present, and almost inevitably, such comment and content tends to be very one sided. I do not want a ban or a rule against content or pictures either. I would just like a little discretion to be used as to what is or is not appropriate (or good manners) to be on the boards here. |
This is a good idea. I volunteer to be Chief Censor. |
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08/23/2007 01:31:54 PM · #40 |
What's funny is that as a Navy Veteran, I have a part deep inside of me that stands proud, and images like that take on a deeper meaning that in does to many, as it brings back memories of the camaraderie, the brotherhood/trust/bonds that develop amongst shipmates, which other than groups like emergency services (firefighters, police, etc) is rarely experience in most people's lives.
On the other side, I don't support the "Big Bully" facade our military places, nor many of the operations the military is called upon to do. Usually, when the military gets under the spotlight such as this, and it's the members that are doing as they are told, and pay the price, many with their lives. |
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08/23/2007 01:35:45 PM · #41 |
Definitely possible for me to look at this without overtones - yet more difficult not to chime in ;P. It's interesting how symmetry is a sign of efficiency as well as beauty (not that the image is perfectly symmetrical) but I find that aethstetically this image is also STRONG.
The reality may be that in really competitive combat the canvas is much more likely to be one of chaos (ala Guernica).
Politically, it is a shame the armed forces are even mentioned in the same sentence as politics ... since the military shouldn't be a tool of politicians, but a means for holding a government sovereign.
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by kolasi:
Another person could see this as... |
Or one could just enjoy the picture without political overtones.
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08/23/2007 01:39:49 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by kolasi:
Another person could see this as... |
Or one could just enjoy the picture without political overtones.
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As was the intention when I posted it.
Still, I'm enjoying the friendly banter between folks on this here board :-) |
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08/23/2007 01:48:54 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by metatate:
Politically, it is a shame the armed forces are even mentioned in the same sentence as politics ... since the military shouldn't be a tool of politicians, but a means for holding a government sovereign. |
Isn't the point of the armed forces to implement the foreign and domestic policy of the government in charge ? After all, the government pays for/ controls them - they get to call the shots. Armed forces are implicitly and explicitly political, always have been.
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08/23/2007 02:07:52 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by metatate:
Politically, it is a shame the armed forces are even mentioned in the same sentence as politics ... since the military shouldn't be a tool of politicians, but a means for holding a government sovereign. |
Isn't the point of the armed forces to implement the foreign and domestic policy of the government in charge ? After all, the government pays for/ controls them - they get to call the shots. Armed forces are implicitly and explicitly political, always have been. |
Isn't it the point of the armed forces to uphold/defend the constitution and protect the people?
Isn't it the point of the government, who is only able to pay the military through taxation of the people it is supposed to represent, to act for the betterment of its citizens?
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08/23/2007 02:13:36 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by vxpra:
Isn't it the point of the armed forces to uphold/defend the constitution and protect the people?
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in part and that's certainly a political goal.
Originally posted by vxpra:
Isn't it the point of the government, who is only able to pay the military through taxation of the people it is supposed to represent, to act for the betterment of its citizens? |
sometimes, though only quite rarely and only as a recent mutation.
Message edited by author 2007-08-23 14:15:29.
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08/23/2007 02:19:22 PM · #46 |
I suppose since the president is in charge of the military, his/her use of the military should influence votes or political favor. My point was that IMO the military shouldn't be used as a pawn or propaganda or to influence nationalism.
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by metatate:
Politically, it is a shame the armed forces are even mentioned in the same sentence as politics ... since the military shouldn't be a tool of politicians, but a means for holding a government sovereign. |
Isn't the point of the armed forces to implement the foreign and domestic policy of the government in charge ? After all, the government pays for/ controls them - they get to call the shots. Armed forces are implicitly and explicitly political, always have been. |
Message edited by author 2007-08-23 14:20:19. |
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08/23/2007 02:29:19 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by metatate:
Politically, it is a shame the armed forces are even mentioned in the same sentence as politics ... since the military shouldn't be a tool of politicians, but a means for holding a government sovereign. |
Isn't the point of the armed forces to implement the foreign and domestic policy of the government in charge ? After all, the government pays for/ controls them - they get to call the shots. Armed forces are implicitly and explicitly political, always have been. |
Ever serve your country Gordon?
If you haven't, then I can understand a bit better.
To those that badmouth what the members of the Armed Services do, or have done, I'd just as soon spit on ya. (NOT directed at anyone specific here) Many join the Armed Forces to mature, get out of a dead-end town, learn a trade, dodge jail time even, but, they matured, learned, grew up and experience something that probably can't be put into words. Directing negativity at the members is wrong. Anyone wants to blast the military, go to the top, then go visit some memorials and grave sights for those that lost their lives doing what they were told to do, so we can enjoy the freedom we have come to expect.
Sorry if this is the straw that tosses this thread into rant, but dammit, support those that serve or have served. Until you serve, you simply aren't equipped to understand the other side of it.
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08/23/2007 02:31:17 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Ever serve your country Gordon?
If you haven't, then I can understand a bit better.
To those that badmouth what the members of the Armed Services do, or have done, I'd just as soon spit on ya. (NOT directed at anyone specific here) Many join the Armed Forces to mature, get out of a dead-end town, learn a trade, dodge jail time even, but, they matured, learned, grew up and experience something that probably can't be put into words. Directing negativity at the members is wrong. Anyone wants to blast the military, go to the top, then go visit some memorials and grave sights for those that lost their lives doing what they were told to do, so we can enjoy the freedom we have come to expect.
Sorry if this is the straw that tosses this thread into rant, but dammit, support those that serve or have served. Until you serve, you simply aren't equipped to understand the other side of it.
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what does this have anything to do with what I said ?
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08/23/2007 02:32:11 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by metatate:
Politically, it is a shame the armed forces are even mentioned in the same sentence as politics ... since the military shouldn't be a tool of politicians, but a means for holding a government sovereign. |
Isn't the point of the armed forces to implement the foreign and domestic policy of the government in charge ? After all, the government pays for/ controls them - they get to call the shots. Armed forces are implicitly and explicitly political, always have been. |
The armed forces are used politically in two ways. First, they are used as negative incentive to help diplomatic solutions proceed. Second, when diplomacy fails, they are used to enforce the will of whatever nation they serve. |
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08/23/2007 02:36:26 PM · #50 |
| So, did anyone else think it was a great picture as well? |
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