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08/25/2003 02:12:19 AM · #1 |
In the past few weeks, there's been a great deal of discussion about what kinds of photographs do well at DPC. I decided to test how accurate this was by entering a completely abstract shot in the Negative Space II challenge.
As my inspiration, I took Vipermike's absolutely wonderful Invader photograph, which of course is much, much better than mine.
With my shot, I experimented with light, texture and shape just using a single light and a glass bowl. Using the photographic tools of dof, exposure, camera angle and composition, I set out to create an art work. I'm very happy with my Abstract. I feel that it was the best I could have mangaged, and that the elements were used effectively. You don't have to like the result, but what I produced was, arguably, solid art achieved in a photographic medium.
Didn't do well, though.
(edited to add these lines)
The title of this rant should be taken somewhat tongue-in-cheek. However, see this thread for a discussion about the meaning of 'should'. :)
Message edited by author 2003-08-25 02:16:30. |
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08/25/2003 02:31:19 AM · #2 |
Your shot may have suffered from too much unravelling. The scores do seem to reflect that people don't want to work too hard, as is evident with my shot too.
Your image may heave left people with no 'reward' for their efforts which can be frustrating! It's an attractive image but I think there's just too little to alude to either the thought behind it or to justify the technique and composition.
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08/25/2003 02:40:41 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Jon Lucas:
Your image may heave left people |
I had intended to heave those on the right, too. LOL.
Seriously though, I'm not at all upset with DPC. The photos which score highly are usually technically very good, even if they are a touch commercially more viable than challenging art. The 'challenge' in DPC obviously doesn't refer to art. |
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08/25/2003 07:58:18 AM · #4 |
i mean no offense but since you made the comparison, but imho, your shot isn't quite as alluring or interesting as mike's "Invader'. His shot has a crispness and clarity, as well as an interplay of light that is transcendent. while your shot has some esthetically pleasing elements, it's not quite as 'wow' as mike's.
So the reason it didn't do well may not be a generalization about 'art flourishing' and may have more to do with it just not being a wow-ing shot. After all, his ribboned, did it not?
Secondly, about 'arty' shots and DPC, i really think that this phenomenon (technique and accessibility above subtlety and obscurity) is more a function of the dpc demographic more than anything else. alot of people who just got a digi cam and have no bg with art or art history or design who are playing with their cameras. nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is ..
Message edited by author 2003-08-25 09:08:11.
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08/25/2003 08:50:50 AM · #5 |
| I also like your description as 'challenging art', which even in art circles is, well, challenging. I'm sure glad that folks do it, though! So thanks for being one of those that keeps pushing the boundaries of what we all think is viable and 'good art.' |
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08/25/2003 09:37:13 AM · #6 |
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08/25/2003 09:40:19 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by achiral:
define art |
art is pretty
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08/25/2003 10:14:30 AM · #8 |
OK, I'll throw in my two cents...
I took a longer look at your shot Koriyama.
It has some interesting shape and details, and I like the bluish cast to it. It's obvious that you spent some time with this, as lighting a glass object can be very difficult. To me, it is an interesting image, but I can't connect with it. It doesn't draw me in, or make me wonder what it might be (not that it has to be something).
Vipermike's shot, on the other hand, is well based technically with respect to lighting, compostion, focus, DOF, etc, etc. His abstract image resembles a human form, that being a nude female, and it gives the mind something to connect with, even in an abstract manner.
What I would offer up to you is encouragement! I love to experiment and play and try to come up with something, fun, interesting, impactful, shocking, whatever... I'm sure Vipermike has taken hundreds, if not thousands of photographs experimenting with his style. I say keep experimenting and practicing, and try and hit an image with some of that WOW factor, as magnetic9999 put it. Don't let a mediocre score in one challenge put you off. Keep having fun, keep experimenting with some interesting shapes, lighting, concepts, etc.
Take care,
JD Anderson
Message edited by author 2003-08-25 10:15:38.
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08/25/2003 10:56:48 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
..what I produced was, arguably, solid art achieved in a photographic medium... |
I can understand from your post your level of commitment in taking that shot and I respect that very much.
I can speak to you on my personal experience with DPC.
I have submitted four photos to challenges so far (two of them are undergoing).
I was very deluded, somehow, from the outcome of the very first one because I knew that was a pretty good and lucky shot, deserving more.
However, the next two were attempts to keep up with DPC's pace and I knew that they had nothing special even before the rating did come out.
I have just submitted my fourth attempt and, man, I took nearly one hundred shots to achieve what was in my mind and, yes, I am pretty happy with the result and I look forward with great curiosity to see how it will be judged.
If my fourth shot will be unlucky, I will much likely start one of the many complain threads that are in the forum. It is human to express our delusion and, in some cases, there may well be reasons to complain.
However, my point and the reason why I am answering you is that you are conceptually wrong in your statement as you formulated it.
I do not think, in fact, that even the greatest artist can define himself as such or his work as a piece of art.
Art is when your audience feels it is.
Message edited by author 2003-08-25 13:06:00.
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08/25/2003 06:41:46 PM · #10 |
You must remember that this site is about popularity, nothing else. Are the most popular movies the best? Generally no.
Entertaining vivid images do well here, not necessarly ones that make any kind of artistic statement or anything else.
Message edited by author 2003-08-25 18:43:10. |
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08/25/2003 07:11:39 PM · #11 |
First off, yes your image IS art koriyama.
Art is an expresion of self (IMO)and you pursued that goal in creating this image.
Second,as previously stated, I think your image lacks some of the clarity and Wow of vipermikes image.Also in this challenge negative space was what had to give the WOW to an image. Personally even Vipermike would have a lower score in this challenge than in Glass. I personally dont feel that solid color negative space has all that much wow. I voted higher on images that used the negative space to draw my attention, rather than the subject. Even in the ribbons I feel the 3rd place was the best. But..thats my opinion.
Third, DPC is a place where we tell you(so to speak)how we feel about what you are showing us. Maybe we just dont understand what you are saying. I have been in 8 challenges, with an average of 4.75.My highest scores where on images that I spent the least time on. I cant imagine shooting 100 shots in any challenge! I am using a point and shoot camera and I am very happy with my Art. I hope that when I take my winnings from DPC and get a better camera that my Art will be even better!
In summary, if you want to score high here, think like a DPCer. If you want to say something, keep doing what feels good.
AMEN
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