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08/15/2003 11:12:39 PM · #126 |
I took some shots for The Past challenge today. I usually shoot in Raw, but I shot in JPEG today to stay clear of any DQ challenges. (I bracketed everything as someone suggested.) I must say, with all humility, that I was ON today. I really like what I shot from a composition and subject point of view. I printed some candidates and they were good - I'll be proud to submit one of these. Then I processed some of these images in my regular workflow. The difference was rather dramatic - what was nice, now POP'ed. As John said earlier, what we will see is not what it could be.
Dennis
Message edited by author 2003-08-15 23:14:23.
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08/15/2003 11:15:58 PM · #127 |
the only other thing i have to say about this challenge is that i took my shot tonight and it rules. i learned tons about features in my camera i didn't even really realize i had, and that's exciting to me.
if for no other reason, you should give this challenge a try just so you can learn one new thing about your camera instead of something about photoshop.
or you all can just NOT enter 'cause i'm gonna win anyway. :P
just kiddin'...
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08/16/2003 02:12:05 AM · #128 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
LOL do you have any CRACKERS? |
Man, that's just too easy...
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08/16/2003 03:46:01 AM · #129 |
but youre doing a good job of containing yourself, mk. ;)
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08/16/2003 03:46:21 AM · #130 |
Originally posted by DennisF:
Then I processed some of these images in my regular workflow. The difference was rather dramatic - what was nice, now POP'ed. As John said earlier, what we will see is not what it could be.
Dennis |
I predict that after this challenge ends, there will be a forum thread showing pre and post editted images... The entry then what it "could be"... I think this will be a great learning experience in itself.
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08/16/2003 04:04:01 AM · #131 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
The 'past' is a really poor challenge topic ot have 'no edits'. This challenge screams for b/w and duotoned images. It also puts the higher end SLR cameras at an extreme disadvantage. Poor idea. |
I don't think that it is a poor idea personally. I mean, whether to like this sort of thing is a bit hit and miss. You either like it or you don't. I personally found it an interesting and challenging topic and had fun finding how to creat "Past" w/o editing...
People often rely too much on digital editing. People take it for granted. It is like sending out a professional photographer who normally travels with numerous lenses and filters with just a body and a single lens.
doesn't necessarily mean black and white although I do have a feeling that most of the entries will be. My entry is in colour.
Message edited by author 2003-08-16 04:07:38.
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08/16/2003 04:08:49 AM · #132 |
And guys! Dont get in a stick about it. It's ONE challenge!
Please, calm down.
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08/16/2003 10:34:18 AM · #133 |
Way, way back in this thread pitsaman said take the 4:3 image and resize to 640 X 480. Not all sensors or 4:3, mine is 3:2. To all the AR's, please don't give me a 1 for not being 640 X 480.
Dennis
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08/16/2003 10:58:25 PM · #134 |
Not to stir up a dead horse...
Drew said RAW to jpeg conversion was allowed. Does this mean that the RAW converter program options to set the white balance and sharpness are allowed? Those are the same options that the camera has, and since a RAW image doesn't capture the camera settings, they have to be done in the converter program.
Drew, can we have a ruling on this please?
PS. Yes I know I said I wasn't going to enter, but I found something I really like.
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08/16/2003 11:11:52 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Not to stir up a dead horse...
Drew said RAW to jpeg conversion was allowed. Does this mean that the RAW converter program options to set the white balance and sharpness are allowed? |
Well gee why don't we just say all editing is premitted? What's the purpose on having a challenge with no editing????
I got a box of Ritz today to go with the cheese and all the WHINE! |
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08/16/2003 11:16:15 PM · #136 |
Thank you for your informative reply....
Drew said a conversion from RAW to Jpeg was allowed in response to Gordon's post about RAW and what the conversion program does. My question is to Drew asking for a clarification as to what is allowed in the RAW conversion software. The RAW image doesn't store the camera settings and they are applied in the conversion program.
Drew, can I get an answer on this?
Thanks.
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Not to stir up a dead horse...
Drew said RAW to jpeg conversion was allowed. Does this mean that the RAW converter program options to set the white balance and sharpness are allowed? |
Well gee why don't we just say all editing is premitted? What's the purpose on having a challenge with no editing????
I got a box of Ritz today to go with the cheese and all the WHINE! |
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08/16/2003 11:18:18 PM · #137 |
As an owner of a cam that auto does the white balance and sharpness for me, I'm inclined to think the folks with the "RAW" deal should be allowed to do what appears to be the normal process to convert to jpg, which includes balance and sharpness.
But don't take my word on it :) I don't make the rules...
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08/16/2003 11:30:24 PM · #138 |
thing about shooting raw is that you can defer alot of choices and options until later.
whereas someone shooting jpeg will have had to react quickly enough to get the right settings at the moment of capture.
one example: someone shooting jpeg takes a pic in a certain lighting, and realizes that they're white balance wasn't set to the best setting. well, they did their best, and must make do.
someone shooting raw, though can happily set the wb to whatever it needed to be, at any time afterwards.
again, i can shoot RAW on my camera, so i'm arguing not for myself, but for the principle of the challenge :) ..
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08/16/2003 11:48:11 PM · #139 |
My Problem with RAW is that you can sit in front of your PC and tweak the image for 1/2 an hour to get the sharpness and levels right. You couldn't do that with shooting Jpeg. Sure you can play with Saturation, Contrast, and Sharpness, but they are done before you shoot your pic and in the field. Playing wiht RAW conversion, you can pretty much edit the pic the same way your would in PSP and PS7.
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08/17/2003 12:46:30 AM · #140 |
And you can't take a series of jpegs at different saturation/sharpening/white balancing levels? Seems to be a bit of a contradiction to have no edits but allow any processing you can do in camera to be accepted. What about custom tone curves? At least the D100 you can download custom curves into the camera, you can get different effects from this, is this legal? What about tethered shooting? You can setup your software so when a picture is taken and transfered directly to the computer, it will apply edits and adjustments that you setup. So it would still be like processing the camera does.
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08/17/2003 01:28:25 AM · #141 |
the difference is what you did BEFORE the fact, not after. like maybe you didn't have time or whatever to shoot a whole 'series'.
for example, if a guy in a tophat and monocle happens to stroll past you indoors and you had the presence of mind to switch to tungsten white balance, before you snapped it, then you would have got the shot might be stoked.
whereas if you shot raw and went back to the computer and set your white balance, it wouldn't really be as much of a challenge, no? :)
Originally posted by matt betea:
And you can't take a series of jpegs at different saturation/sharpening/white balancing levels? Seems to be a bit of a contradiction to have no edits but allow any processing you can do in camera to be accepted. What about custom tone curves? At least the D100 you can download custom curves into the camera, you can get different effects from this, is this legal? What about tethered shooting? You can setup your software so when a picture is taken and transfered directly to the computer, it will apply edits and adjustments that you setup. So it would still be like processing the camera does. |
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08/17/2003 08:07:21 AM · #142 |
| Why can't we have a nchallenge where everyone has to submit a pair of shots. One straight from the camera and one with post processing. I for one would stand to learn a lot by seeing before and after and could really learn from the techniques used. |
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08/17/2003 08:18:40 AM · #143 |
I think everyone talks a good game of "I'm just here to learn, let's punish cheaters to their death." But a good solid majority seem so intent on winning that they want to push the bounds of this no edit challenge over the edge.
If your cam shoots in JPG, the ONLY fair thing to do is shoot in JPG. Not RAW. If you want to shoot in Raw, deal with the fact that the end result with NO EDITS looks like shit. I am going to use my cam to the best of my ability. I am, however, not going to use it to LESS than its full ability and then bitch that I need to convert and brightness and sharpen to make it look any good. If you shoot in Raw, you should accept the image that comes off the camera.
All in-cam adjustments are legal. All out of cam (any computer processing) adjustments except image size are illegal.
It's pretty simple.
M
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08/17/2003 09:05:54 AM · #144 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
I think everyone talks a good game of "I'm just here to learn, let's punish cheaters to their death." But a good solid majority seem so intent on winning that they want to push the bounds of this no edit challenge over the edge.
If your cam shoots in JPG, the ONLY fair thing to do is shoot in JPG. Not RAW. If you want to shoot in Raw, deal with the fact that the end result with NO EDITS looks like shit. I am going to use my cam to the best of my ability. I am, however, not going to use it to LESS than its full ability and then bitch that I need to convert and brightness and sharpen to make it look any good. If you shoot in Raw, you should accept the image that comes off the camera.
All in-cam adjustments are legal. All out of cam (any computer processing) adjustments except image size are illegal.
It's pretty simple.
M |
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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