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 11/29/2002 02:27:24 PM · #1
i apoligize, for I was mearly looking for opinions...

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/29/2002 11:26:36 PM.
 11/29/2002 03:00:48 PM · #2
I think that it WOULD have been worth entering, however, since everyone now knows which shot would be yours, you've lost your anonominity (sp?). A lot of people really don't like talking about the shots before the challenge is over, so it's possible that it will get marked down simply because of that. While it's not a rule, some peole still really don't like it. While it's not encouraged to mark photos down because of that, unfortunately, it does happen. Something to think about anyway.
~Heather~
 11/29/2002 03:45:22 PM · #3
Chris,

A agree with Heather's comments. THis is a quality shot that stands on its own, but as Heather points out many people do not respond well to breaches of anonymity. Sharing photographs with friends who agree to look at them is perfectly acceptable, however many users consider posting your entry where someone who values anonymity might accidentally see it is generally considered a breach of site etiquette.

You may wish to edit your post to remove your image.

-Terry
 11/29/2002 06:42:55 PM · #4
Maybe crop alittle out, just enough to crop the bright light on the left side. This is a nice picture. I love the way it is focusing. Very pretty blue. I won't vote you lower just because I seen your picture in the forums. :)
 11/29/2002 09:17:41 PM · #5
I like it as it is, but then I am not a worthy judge. I wonder if you would receive a higher mark if the DOP was deeper. All in all, a fine image. Good luck with it.

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/29/2002 9:14:59 PM.
 11/29/2002 09:55:36 PM · #6
this is a worthy "blue" contender, your soft focus depth of field makes a smoth, seamless environment for your selected sharp focus on the bloom. ssssssss..... It is rare for me to see an entry before voting. I reserve scoring your pic untill voting time.
 11/29/2002 09:56:56 PM · #7
Originally posted by a1leyez0nm3:
i couldnt think of what to enter... so i took this yesterday... do you think this is even worth entering??

should i crop it??? or just not enter it? or?

thanks..

chris

i wouldn't crop it - i think one of the most attractive elements of the photo is the DOF differential. regarding entry - i in general don't find flower/sunset/bird/insect/nature shots very original, and unless they are outstanding (and your photo is really good) my votes generally aren't too high for these types of photos.

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/29/2002 9:54:37 PM.
 11/29/2002 10:02:54 PM · #8
Whatever you do, but since you posted it before the contest starts and if I see it, i'll give it a 1 :-) Asking for opinions before the contest starts is cheating.

 11/29/2002 10:29:32 PM · #9
I'm not hardcore like paganini.. i think it's a great shot.. I would crop it in such a way that the flower is not centered up... i would score this one well...
 11/29/2002 10:29:41 PM · #10
Originally posted by paganini:
Whatever you do, but since you posted it before the contest starts and if I see it, i'll give it a 1 :-) Asking for opinions before the contest starts is cheating.



It's not cheating, cause it's not a rule. Unwritten site etiquette, maybe, but not a rule.


11/29/2002 11:11:05 PM · #11
Hey Chris, When you look at your picture, where do your eyes end up going? Do they go to the flower or to the lighter area? I had someone comment on one of my photos saying that white areas in a picture will tend to draw your eyes away from the subject. I think that jmsetzler has a point. Maybe cropping it so the flower is not centered. Like the rule of thirds. If you don't know about that I am sure there is a tuturial in here somewhere you can read. Good luck
Sonja

Originally posted by a1leyez0nm3:
i couldnt think of what to enter... so i took this yesterday... do you think this is even worth entering??
11/29/2002 11:38:39 PM · #12
my apoligies...

i do not come here for a competition, but merely to take better photos. and realizing that probably less than 10% of the people that visit this site actually look at the forums, i assumed that no one would mind. i will not submit the photograph.
 11/29/2002 11:52:20 PM · #13
Originally posted by a1leyez0nm3:
my apoligies...

i do not come here for a competition, but merely to take better photos. and realizing that probably less than 10% of the people that visit this site actually look at the forums, i assumed that no one would mind. i will not submit the photograph.

I think you should go ahead and submit it. Personally, I think its a nice shot if you change the crop up just a little. I will also forwarn you that the majority of the voters here do not understand and do not appreciate shallow depth of field, unfortunately. It's a sad thing, but it just works that way here. If you do post it, you should prepare yourself for comments about it being 'out of focus' and 'i want more depth of field'.

Go browse through some of the archived challenges here and take a look at great use of depth of field and then go read the comments... you will be amazed...

 11/30/2002 01:19:23 AM · #14
since i saw your photo before, i'll comment now that you've removed it.

it was a pretty good photo. i would have given it like 7 or an 8 maybe. i thought the depth of field was neet.

however, unfortunately i do not represent the average voter here. already twice i have given the photo that ended up placing dead last a ten. yes. a ten. twice. i also am not biased against crappy cameras, btw. i happen to own one, and think that the kinds of effects such as bad jpeg compression and crappy focus can be very interesting. i also like not knowing what the subject matter is, and prefer abstracts.

also, at least to me, knowing who submitted what makes no difference. if the picture is amazing, it gets a 10, if it reeks, it gets a 1. even if the great mr. setzler took it. (just a note: i do have friends who compete here. i don't vote on their photos, even though i could fairly. just to avoid conflicts and stuff. that, and i usually help them take it or edit it, give them suggestions, etc)

anyways, the only reason i would have given your photo a 7 or an 8 was the composition (even if flowers are a little trite. i might submit a flower pic this week. lol) as jmsetzler said, i'd crop differently. but i'd probably do it differently than he would. zoom in a bit, put the flower of to the left or the right, etc. play with it a little. but that's just me. my composition didn't do well last time i entered. lol.

* This message has been edited by the author on 11/30/2002 1:17:49 AM.
 11/30/2002 02:42:52 AM · #15
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by a1leyez0nm3:
[i]my apoligies...

i do not come here for a competition, but merely to take better photos. and realizing that probably less than 10% of the people that visit this site actually look at the forums, i assumed that no one would mind. i will not submit the photograph.

I think you should go ahead and submit it. Personally, I think its a nice shot if you change the crop up just a little. I will also forwarn you that the majority of the voters here do not understand and do not appreciate shallow depth of field, unfortunately. It's a sad thing, but it just works that way here. If you do post it, you should prepare yourself for comments about it being 'out of focus' and 'i want more depth of field'.

Go browse through some of the archived challenges here and take a look at great use of depth of field and then go read the comments... you will be amazed...

[/i]

ok, thanks... maybe I will resubmit, after cropping. the site should send people through a course before they can vote possibly, if they cant pass a test or something... i have noticed looking through the entries that photos that i thought were very technically good, received brash comments and low scores. i have not even judged or scored any, just observed what others have said, because i am somewhat new to digital photography, or rather photography in itself, but even though this fact, I do see things that i can frown on sometimes, well often rather. i do not think that you should be voting if you are not qualified to (experienced, well at least educated)... but anyway I really like the narrow DOF... I did that purposefully to bring my subject out and put the background away to make you focus on the flower, but i probably should crop it to take the attention away from the light spots, as you said.. i think some people here are a little too into the competition... I am used to the more laid back forums of www.Head-fi.org, a headphone forum, which has a very high maturity level for an internet forum.

but on the note of cameras, i used to own a Sony DSC-P50, a simple, low end, 2 megapixel camera just a few months ago, but got 2 picture of the Day's on Www.Imagestation.com... not saying that i am good, but merely that even the cheap cameras can make for good shots. (not to say that I dont LOVE my new F707). but the high end cameras can make the shots that I have always wnated to take possible... (close macros, low light shots, action, DOF, resolution, night shots, etc...)

for example i used a canon EOS-D30 with a 85mm 1.2 lens (fixed) that had amazing photos. the narrow DOF was very nice (1/2 inch of in focus area depending on distance from subject).. although the focusing was VERY difficult at times (the d30 autofocus is HORRIBLE in low light..) i could take photos in very low light situations, without having to use high iso speeds... well, thanks guys...


chris
 11/30/2002 06:54:09 AM · #16
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by a1leyez0nm3:
[i]my apoligies...

i do not come here for a competition, but merely to take better photos. and realizing that probably less than 10% of the people that visit this site actually look at the forums, i assumed that no one would mind. i will not submit the photograph.

I think you should go ahead and submit it. Personally, I think its a nice shot if you change the crop up just a little. I will also forwarn you that the majority of the voters here do not understand and do not appreciate shallow depth of field, unfortunately. It's a sad thing, but it just works that way here. If you do post it, you should prepare yourself for comments about it being 'out of focus' and 'i want more depth of field'.

Go browse through some of the archived challenges here and take a look at great use of depth of field and then go read the comments... you will be amazed...

[/i]

John,

Please elaborate on your comment that DPC folks do not understand depth of field. Depth of field seems to be a steady constant and well-discussed theme on this site, is it not? Whether it is deep or shallow can radically modify an image, by either adding to the composition, or seriously subtracting from it.

In general, I feel that depth of field is a great device to create separation between a foreground subject and one in the background. It is able to bring seclusion and isolation to a subject and it tends to lead the eye. In television and films, we use both shallow and deep depth of field all of the time as a device to create atmosphere, mood and supplement contrast. I suppose that you are right in offering guidance that this image might be viewed as being out of focus, perhaps it is? Or, maybe because most people just seem to enjoy clarity in an image rather then diffusion, it may be questioned. I too, feel that it is a fine image and that subtle cropping may be useful to improve it. But, I still believe that the depth of field may have improved this image had it been deeper than it is.

Cheers,
Michael Martin


* This message has been edited by the author on 11/30/2002 6:52:42 AM.
 11/30/2002 12:29:34 PM · #17
i like the dof on it just as it is... In my opinion, the photographer did not want the WHOLE flower to be the subject of the shot, and his particular 'piece' of the flower that was to be his subject is very nicely isolated in this image..
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