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06/06/2007 03:20:31 PM · #76 |
That sound like a great idea - wish I could go there :)
Originally posted by bdenny:
It's actually gay pride at Disney Land in Orlando right now. I'd love to get candid shots of the families at Disney Land that didn't know it was Gay Pride!! |
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06/06/2007 03:32:44 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Edit: I saw Skip lay down on the grass 2 feet from a sleeping homeless woman so he could get a close-up. |
Wow! That's even a little raw for me but they don't call him Skip for nuthin... |
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06/06/2007 03:37:09 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by idnic:
Edit: I saw Skip lay down on the grass 2 feet from a sleeping homeless woman so he could get a close-up. |
Wow! That's even a little raw for me but they don't call him Skip for nuthin... |
The man is an animal! :)
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06/06/2007 04:43:28 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by idnic:
THE best candid shooter I've ever been around though is Skip. That man will walk straight up to someone while shooting all the way and as far as I know, hasn't been punched yet! :) |
no, not yet ;-) it's really about how you carry yourself and how you treat people. and my results are more a matter of what i'm looking for. i love steve's candid/street work for what it is, and i also love ed's and az's and les' and jpr's stuff. all have ways of looking at almost the same things and coming back with very, very different images.
Originally posted by idnic:
I saw Skip lay down on the grass 2 feet from a sleeping homeless woman so he could get a close-up. |
i'll admit that was a little out there...but i didn't feel like i was crawling into the lion's cage. |
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06/06/2007 04:55:18 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by idnic:
I know it helps that I'm a chick.... but I just stand there with a long lens and shoot anyone I wish. If they look I either keep shooting or adjust the camera angle so it seems I might be shooting something behind or beside them. I didn't like doing this at first, but I'm good with it now.
THE best candid shooter I've ever been around though is Skip. That man will walk straight up to someone while shooting all the way and as far as I know, hasn't been punched yet! :)
Edit: I saw Skip lay down on the grass 2 feet from a sleeping homeless woman so he could get a close-up. |
Man i was looking forward to shooting with him:(
Ericwoo was very good. he had a 70-200 vr and he was just pointing directly at peole 10 feet away. huge camera and lens and he didn't care if they saw him.of course he is not a skinny little guy so that may help too. his shot from the last challenge is still one of my alltime favs
Message edited by author 2007-06-06 16:56:08. |
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06/07/2007 03:03:01 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by Skip:
Originally posted by idnic:
I saw Skip lay down on the grass 2 feet from a sleeping homeless woman so he could get a close-up. |
i'll admit that was a little out there...but i didn't feel like i was crawling into the lion's cage. |
Skip, let's see the photo!
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06/07/2007 03:17:10 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Darn challenge came a day late :-( |
What's a MILF? |
Defined as: *Not safe for work *
Word made famous by the classic movie "American Pie".
Dood... Did you see that MILF walk out of Toys 'R' Us? |
Im sure its from an older movie 80s or early 90s...now i gotta do research :/
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06/07/2007 05:10:22 AM · #83 |
For those who are just getting comfortable with the idea of shooting people you don't know in public, another idea is to shoot from the hip: have your strap long enough to almost reach your waste, hold your camera in your hand in a natural, protective sort of way, point, and shoot. You'll be amazed at some of the results, and frustrated at others.
For example, I saw three construction workers/painters smoking and laughing on a step not three feet from where a homeless man was sleeping. I didn't want to raise my camera because the guys gave me a rather nasty look when they saw I had one. Instead, I shot from the hip, but exposure and focus were way off in all four shots I took. Frustrating, it would have made a great image. But then, during the same shoot, I got this shot, also from the hip:
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it's at least worth a go.
Some additional "candid" tips that I found useful in thinking about this challenge can be found here (number 8 talks about shooting from the hip).
Good luck to everyone -- even the dog and kid and inanimate object shooters -- in this challenge.
Best,
Rob |
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06/07/2007 08:00:15 AM · #84 |
| Hey Thanks Robert! That link was pretty helpful. I never even thought about shooting in burst mode...doh! I feel so stupid now...I know of at least 3 opportunities that I've missed this week because I didn't use the burst feature on my camera. Oh well, live and learn. |
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06/07/2007 10:05:03 AM · #85 |
"Take your camera with you everywhere this week and capture a candid moment."
Damn I'm going to get a DNMC - I've not taken my camera everywhere with me this week ;-)
A candid shot of me in a bathroom is not a sight DPC is ready for I don't think. |
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06/07/2007 10:23:02 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by SoulMan1978:
"Take your camera with you everywhere this week and capture a candid moment."
Damn I'm going to get a DNMC - I've not taken my camera everywhere with me this week ;-)
A candid shot of me in a bathroom is not a sight DPC is ready for I don't think. |
So you haven't taken your camera with you everywhere, but you have taken it with you to the bathroom? hmmm... |
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06/07/2007 11:09:46 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by BakerBug:
I really resent being told that a picture of a child or animal is a cop-out. I think a lot of people here forget that we are not all equal in our photography skills. Just because shooting a child or pet may be in your comfort zone, doesn't mean it is in my comfort zone. Judge the pictures on their merit, and give the benefit of the doubt as to whether it is candid or not. |
Maybe this isn't the challenge for you then.
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06/07/2007 11:13:39 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Now perhaps Lassie knew the difference between a posed shot and a candid moment but pretty much every single moment of any animals life is candid so on the "special candid moment scale" and animal shot would rank super duper low. Just an opinion. |
I agree most animal/pet shots are not candid.
But if they are doing something that they would not ordinarily be doing if they were aware of your presence, then that would definately be candid.
I can imagine a shot of someone's dog with his head buried in the trash doing quite well.
"Caught in the act"
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06/07/2007 12:21:25 PM · #89 |
Just a reminder that candid and street photography are not necessarily the same. There is overlap, sure, but a "candid" photograph does not necessarily have to be a picture of a stranger. Use this challenge as an opportunity to watch your friends and family, and catch them unawares in a photo that captures their emotion or personality.
If you do it in a way that piques the interest of others, you may end up with a pretty good score. Even if the photo only speaks to you, you'll still end up with some nice photos for your scrapbook that'll mean a whole lot more to you 10 years from now then some picture of a stranger on the train ... either way, you're a winner. |
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06/07/2007 12:35:32 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by rswank:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Now perhaps Lassie knew the difference between a posed shot and a candid moment but pretty much every single moment of any animals life is candid so on the "special candid moment scale" and animal shot would rank super duper low. Just an opinion. |
I can imagine a shot of someone's dog with his head buried in the trash doing quite well.
"Caught in the act" |
I think the highest ranking animals shots in the last Challenge was a 102 at 5.58. Most will tank as most people I know wouldn't nearly consider an animal shot a candid. I'm beginning to think that this place (DPC) is the only place where this would even be discussed.
A thought occurred to me though. I've never seen anybody say "what a great Candid" after looking at an animal shot or a shot of a baby...or someone sleeping. It just doesn't work.
Message edited by author 2007-06-07 12:37:38. |
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06/07/2007 01:04:59 PM · #91 |
And don't forget, here at DPC cheating is standard. Go look at many of the top 20 in the last "candid" challenges. A few were indeed candid, but many were also posed or setup shots to give the appearance of candid. For me, a candid is when the subject has no idea that they are being photographed. If you ask a street person to look away while you take a photo or have a bunch of kids running and playing or anything where the subject perceives they are being photographed ... that is not candid. Remember the show Candid Camera? The same impact would not have happened if the subjects were aware of the camera.
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So as we will see in this challenge, many will be setup or posed entries while trying to make them candid ;)
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by bdenny:
I'm fine 'stepping out of my comfort zone' but how do you guys go about this? |
Not many of us are all that comfortable just pointing a camera at someone out of fear that they're going to notice and wonder what you're up to. But there are ways of doing it!
I just got back from shooting my entry in Pittsburgh this afternoon. I went to a place where I knew there was going to be a performance going on, so nobody around me thought it was weird that I was sitting there with a camera. But instead of spending much time shooting the performers, I was shooting the people who were watching.
I took a decent shot of a lady who was literally sitting at the same table with me, and she was none the wiser.
Ya just gotta come up with your own method of stealth :) |
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06/07/2007 01:16:23 PM · #92 |
Why would you say this:
Originally posted by rswank:
Originally posted by BakerBug:
I really resent being told that a picture of a child or animal is a cop-out. I think a lot of people here forget that we are not all equal in our photography skills. Just because shooting a child or pet may be in your comfort zone, doesn't mean it is in my comfort zone. Judge the pictures on their merit, and give the benefit of the doubt as to whether it is candid or not. |
Maybe this isn't the challenge for you then. |
If you also think this:
Originally posted by rswank:
I agree most animal/pet shots are not candid.
But if they are doing something that they would not ordinarily be doing if they were aware of your presence, then that would definately be candid.
I can imagine a shot of someone's dog with his head buried in the trash doing quite well.
"Caught in the act" |
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06/07/2007 05:39:26 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Well, I'm glad you asked! Every other candid challenge we've had has featured LOTS of stuff that I would not personally consider to be candid. Therefore, I proudly present:
THE OFFICIAL ALAN FREED GUIDE TO WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT A CANDID SHOT, KEEPING IN MIND THAT I VOTE WITH THESE THINGS IN MIND, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO FLAME ME IF YOU PLEASE
A candid shot, for the purpose of this authoritative instruction manual, is a shot of a person, unaware that they're being photographed, going about their daily routine in such a way that they would not expect that they were being photographed.
Therefore, the following items do NOT qualify as being candid:
1. People who are looking straight at the camera, and are posing for it. Seems obvious enough, but every other Candid challenge has featured several of these.
2. Young children. Yeah, sure they don't know they're being photographed, but they also don't know they shouldn't be eating paste. This is a cop-out. Step out of the comfort zone, dudes!
3. Pets. Similar to photographing young children. Pets have no clue what a camera is. ANY shot of a pet is, by nature "candid," because they don't know any better. Simply put, if the subject is incapable of posing, they can't be the subject of a "candid" shot. And if you're one of these people who believes your pet is capable of posing and knows that it's being photographed, well... I'll give you the names of a few good therapists.
4. Performers. This covers anyone who is on a stage, or playing a sport. They all have some degree of expectation that they could be photographed while doing these things. Again, get out of the comfort zone, dude!
5. This should be obvious, but inanimate objects are NOT possibly the subjects of a candid photo! One previous challenge featured a "candid" shot of a set of pottery for heaven's sake! Oh, and let's not forget a couple "candid" shots of the moon that have crept in there, too.
6. People who are asleep, in a coma, or otherwise incapacitated. 'Nuff said.
Off the top of my head, those are the things that drive me to the point of insanity when voting on these challenges. I purposely didn't read the rest of this thread before posting these, so I apologize if it appears that I'm taking stuff that others have already said.
Flame on! :) |
1. People who are looking straight at the camera, and are posing for it. - Why not?
2. Young children. - Why not?
3. Pets. - Why not?
4. Performers. . - Why not?
5. Inanimate objects. - Why not?
6. People who are asleep, in a coma, or otherwise incapacitated. - Why not?
I think you are forgetting the environment and the photographer creativity. Why don̢۪t you just wait for the photographs and look at them. If you feel a Candid mood, that̢۪s a Candid photo ;)
If you don̢۪t know what Candid means, just look here or here or anywhere and you'll no see any point from your list.
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06/07/2007 07:00:51 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by BakerBug:
Why would you say this:
Originally posted by rswank:
Originally posted by BakerBug:
I really resent being told that a picture of a child or animal is a cop-out. I think a lot of people here forget that we are not all equal in our photography skills. Just because shooting a child or pet may be in your comfort zone, doesn't mean it is in my comfort zone. Judge the pictures on their merit, and give the benefit of the doubt as to whether it is candid or not. |
Maybe this isn't the challenge for you then. |
If you also think this:
Originally posted by rswank:
I agree most animal/pet shots are not candid.
But if they are doing something that they would not ordinarily be doing if they were aware of your presence, then that would definately be candid.
I can imagine a shot of someone's dog with his head buried in the trash doing quite well.
"Caught in the act" |
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I don't see your point.
I can see how a shot of an animal could classify as candid if the act being photographed would never have existed if the animal had knowledge of someone's presence - like a dog being a "bad dog".
As far as saying "maybe this isn't the challenge for you", I found it amusing that "resent" people's opinions about DNMC and took it so personally.
Sheesh!
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06/08/2007 02:50:15 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by De Sousa:
If you don̢۪t know what Candid means, just look here or here or anywhere and you'll no see any point from your list. |
Using the second link (here) candid is synonymous with "FRANK". I wonder how many DNMCs I'll get if I do some frank photography . . .
But really, I think we're taking the definition thing far too seriously. Alan has given us his voting criteria; I think that's incredibly useful, even if I didn't agree with it (and I don't think I care enough about definitions here to agree or disagree). If you are worried about voter reaction and DNMCs, then you have some guidance that I'm guessing quite a few DNMC voters will go with. I don't "do" DNMC when I vote, but if someone follows Alan's list, and submits a good image that matches it, they'll get a good vote from Alan and a good vote from me (I won't punish them for meeting the challenge). If they submit an image of a potted plant, they might still get a good vote from me, but not from Alan. That's his choice, and I appreciate him being so clear about it.
What to shoot is still up to the photographer.
Do we really need to discuss subjective perceptions of challenge topics more than this?
Best,
Rob
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06/09/2007 11:39:08 AM · #96 |
| Do you guys think that a candid shot which does not show the subjects face will be scored lower? I am wondering because I have 2 shots of different subjects. I like the photo that does not show the subjects face better than the one that does show the subjects face. Both are obviously cadid as well. |
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06/09/2007 11:54:13 AM · #97 |
i think a good candid, or composition is when it tells a story.
but for dpc voters they may want to see a face, its hard to tell.
did you check the last candid challenge?
candid III |
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06/09/2007 11:57:51 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by goodman:
i think a good candid, or composition is when it tells a story.
but for dpc voters they may want to see a face, its hard to tell.
did you check the last candid challenge?
candid III |
Yeah. I checked it out. All the ones on the 1st page showed a face, but almost all the photos in the challenge did as well. Hmmm...I hate making decisions to go with what I like, or what I think DPC voters would like. Agggg |
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06/09/2007 12:01:31 PM · #99 |
Anyone want my 0.02¢ on candids?
I linked my 2 folders with a LOT of examples, already, but want to add this:
1) Throw away the dictionaries, Encyclopedias and don't you dare click on Google.
2) Do not consult your college Professors to see if there is a thesis based on what is/isn't a candid.
3) Do not consult a legal professional for an answer, nor retain their services to back you up.
If it looks like a candid, it's a candid. End result. Up to each person on how they go about achieving it, even if it is staged. Hollywood stages everything we see on screen, most of it isn't real, yet we perceive it to be, so why should your photograph be any different?
These fine-tooth comb nit-picking a definition are ridiculous.
Create the ultimate illusion of a candid if need be - the voters will let you know if it passes muster,
but above all, just enjoy using your camera.
Message edited by author 2007-06-09 12:03:55.
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06/09/2007 12:06:16 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by idnic:
I know it helps that I'm a chick.... but I just stand there with a long lens and shoot anyone I wish. If they look I either keep shooting or adjust the camera angle so it seems I might be shooting something behind or beside them. I didn't like doing this at first, but I'm good with it now.
THE best candid shooter I've ever been around though is Skip. That man will walk straight up to someone while shooting all the way and as far as I know, hasn't been punched yet! :)
Edit: I saw Skip lay down on the grass 2 feet from a sleeping homeless woman so he could get a close-up. |
LOL I remember this! In fact. . .
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