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 05/24/2007 08:03:33 PM · #26
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
I do wonder if Ansel Adams would of used photoshop if he had it at his disposal.


I worked with Ansel Adams. He was very much in favor of anything that helped a photographer realize his/her vision in the print. He'd have loved the creative possibilities of Photoshop.

R.


Bear,

It is always good to hear your post.


05/24/2007 08:25:28 PM · #27
Originally posted by escapetooz:
And as was mentioned, there are a lot of people that really WANT advanced editing on the open challenges. I know I did before I became a paying memeber, it was like a holiday for me.


It IS like a holiday! I was so excited when I read this post and realized we had advanced editing! Not only are the subjects exciting, but so is the ruleset! I'm so excited and I'd come with several ideas when I still thought it was basic, but was very worried about power lines.... Whew!

Edited because I'm a dork and wrote 'expert' instead of advanced... guess I got too excited?

Message edited by author 2007-05-24 23:02:42.
 05/24/2007 08:39:24 PM · #28
Originally posted by EducatedSavage:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
And as was mentioned, there are a lot of people that really WANT advanced editing on the open challenges. I know I did before I became a paying memeber, it was like a holiday for me.


It IS like a holiday! I was so excited when I read this post and realized we had expert editing! Not only are the subjects exciting, but so is the ruleset! I'm so excited and I'd come with several ideas when I still thought it was basic, but was very worried about power lines.... Whew!

Not "Expert Editing" -- these are "Advanced Editing." Those two rule sets are quite different.
 05/24/2007 08:47:30 PM · #29
yeah power lines suck...


05/24/2007 08:57:41 PM · #30
There is another issue here besides advanced editing that is not being addressed. It amounts to equality and fairness in competition. I don't know how to fix/solve it but it can at least be explained. to wit: There are those that can afford the most advanced PS and sophisticated equipment and those that can barely afford to feed their families and still try to maintain a photographic hobby.

Yeah! I have PS and a half ways decent camera and lens, but, I also have a lot of friends that use hand-me-downs, do major close shopping at Goodwill, etc. No matter what I say to convince them, they don't feel they can compete on a level playing field here and so don't. While they are excellent photographers, they can't or don't know how to submit a photo with the correct packaging for entry. The only way I know how to enter is with PS, I know there must be other ways but I don't know where to find out how.

I know there's 58m+ participants/members attached to dpchallenge but there is a great discrepancy between those members that play and those members that don't. one of the reasons for not playing is discussed above and needs, I think, addressing.

I'm beginning to ramble so I'll quit here and respond to comments if necessary.

05/24/2007 09:00:38 PM · #31
Originally posted by soup:
yeah power lines suck...


I freaking hate power lines! why can't they just put them underground?!
 05/24/2007 09:02:18 PM · #32
Originally posted by d56ranger:
There is another issue here besides advanced editing that is not being addressed. It amounts to equality and fairness in competition. I don't know how to fix/solve it but it can at least be explained. to wit: There are those that can afford the most advanced PS and sophisticated equipment and those that can barely afford to feed their families and still try to maintain a photographic hobby.

Yeah! I have PS and a half ways decent camera and lens, but, I also have a lot of friends that use hand-me-downs, do major close shopping at Goodwill, etc. No matter what I say to convince them, they don't feel they can compete on a level playing field here and so don't. While they are excellent photographers, they can't or don't know how to submit a photo with the correct packaging for entry. The only way I know how to enter is with PS, I know there must be other ways but I don't know where to find out how.

I know there's 58m+ participants/members attached to dpchallenge but there is a great discrepancy between those members that play and those members that don't. one of the reasons for not playing is discussed above and needs, I think, addressing.

I'm beginning to ramble so I'll quit here and respond to comments if necessary.


Two words

THE GIMP

not the easiest to learn but can do much of what PS can for free.
 05/24/2007 09:02:29 PM · #33
Interesting ideas - but I beg to differ on the processing side- one free choice is GIMP - it is not CS3 but it has almost all the same features. It requires only the will and experience to use it....

On the camera side, I have taken some really quite good pictures on a 2 MP P&S - it is about the skill of the photog more than the equipment. Remember it is possible to take crappy pictures with a $20K Hassenblad

Originally posted by d56ranger:
There is another issue here besides advanced editing that is not being addressed. It amounts to equality and fairness in competition. I don't know how to fix/solve it but it can at least be explained. to wit: There are those that can afford the most advanced PS and sophisticated equipment and those that can barely afford to feed their families and still try to maintain a photographic hobby.

Yeah! I have PS and a half ways decent camera and lens, but, I also have a lot of friends that use hand-me-downs, do major close shopping at Goodwill, etc. No matter what I say to convince them, they don't feel they can compete on a level playing field here and so don't. While they are excellent photographers, they can't or don't know how to submit a photo with the correct packaging for entry. The only way I know how to enter is with PS, I know there must be other ways but I don't know where to find out how.

I know there's 58m+ participants/members attached to dpchallenge but there is a great discrepancy between those members that play and those members that don't. one of the reasons for not playing is discussed above and needs, I think, addressing.

I'm beginning to ramble so I'll quit here and respond to comments if necessary.


Message edited by author 2007-05-24 21:03:03.
 05/24/2007 09:10:33 PM · #34
Originally posted by d56ranger:
There is another issue here besides advanced editing that is not being addressed. It amounts to equality and fairness in competition. I don't know how to fix/solve it but it can at least be explained. to wit: There are those that can afford the most advanced PS and sophisticated equipment and those that can barely afford to feed their families and still try to maintain a photographic hobby...
...I know there's 58m+ participants/members attached to dpchallenge but there is a great discrepancy between those members that play and those members that don't. one of the reasons for not playing is discussed above and needs, I think, addressing....


As pccjrose posted, there are free or very low cost software options and with a little effort the results can be every bit as good as those obtained with high-end tools. Granted, low-end cameras will be less flexible with regard to low-light and a few other areas, but in general they can do outstanding work, especially when presented at web resolutions. No one should feel that it's not possible to compete with low-buck equipment or software. It's just not the case.
 05/24/2007 09:12:17 PM · #35
Originally posted by kirbic:
... No one should feel that it's not possible to compete with low-buck equipment or software. It's just not the case.


Exactly, it is not about the equipment.

It is about the forethought, the eye, and the execution.
 05/24/2007 09:22:24 PM · #36
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
It is about the forethought, the eye, and the execution.


Well said. I'll add that helping to develop that eye, and the patience and knowledge to execute well are things that DPC really excels at. Voting and commenting, both from a giving and receiving perspective, can be a tremendous education. Not always a pleasant one, LOL, but a valuable one all the same.
 05/24/2007 09:27:59 PM · #37
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
It is about the forethought, the eye, and the execution.


Well said. I'll add that helping to develop that eye, and the patience and knowledge to execute well are things that DPC really excels at. Voting and commenting, both from a giving and receiving perspective, can be a tremendous education. Not always a pleasant one, LOL, but a valuable one all the same.


None of which I apparently have.
 05/24/2007 09:28:06 PM · #38
At some point the quality does come into issue. I can't see how a 2mp point and shoot can compete with 12mp dslr as far as quality is concerned. I think the type of shot would matter greatly as well you can't say a cheap p&s can compete with high end dslr's in landscaping or macro. but I can see were more abstract art kinda stuff it is possible
 05/24/2007 09:31:34 PM · #39
Remember - this site has a 640x or 720x limit. A 2 or 3 MP camera can do that easily at full size. We are not asking the camera to print a 16x20 print.

Look at some of the Canon elph cameras and the best shots out of those - many at above 6.5 and 7 on the site. I think that is pretty darn competetive.

Originally posted by electrolost:
At some point the quality does come into issue. I can't see how a 2mp point and shoot can compete with 12mp dslr as far as quality is concerned. I think the type of shot would matter greatly as well you can't say a cheap p&s can compete with high end dslr's in landscaping or macro. but I can see were more abstract art kinda stuff it is possible
05/24/2007 09:37:34 PM · #40
true
 05/24/2007 09:37:54 PM · #41
Right. A 2Mpx camera shoots roughly 1600x1200, which still needs to be resized downward by 2.5x in linear terms for submission. A well-executed landscape shot from a 2Mpx camera can certainly do very well. Also FWIW, there are plenty of used, and some new 3- or 4Mpx cameras available very cheaply these days. The camera I started with, the 3.3Mpx Nikon 995, is commonly available for under $200.
 05/24/2007 09:51:03 PM · #42
Originally posted by kirbic:
Right. A 2Mpx camera shoots roughly 1600x1200, which still needs to be resized downward by 2.5x in linear terms for submission. A well-executed landscape shot from a 2Mpx camera can certainly do very well. Also FWIW, there are plenty of used, and some new 3- or 4Mpx cameras available very cheaply these days. The camera I started with, the 3.3Mpx Nikon 995, is commonly available for under $200.


Just curious why don't you do some challenges with a 2 mp camera just to see how you do?
 05/24/2007 09:57:23 PM · #43
Originally posted by electrolost:
Just curious why don't you do some challenges with a 2 mp camera just to see how you do?




My 4th submission, done with a 3.3Mpx camera, score 7.0; score would not have been substantially different had I shot with a 2Mpx camera. Oh yes, and under the equivalent of Basic Editing to boot.

Message edited by author 2007-05-24 21:58:24.
 05/24/2007 10:03:12 PM · #44
jjbeguin STILL doesn't use a DSLR. Just look at that ribbon collection!
 05/24/2007 10:10:53 PM · #45
To add to what has been said about how many people on this site rock the heck out inexpensive cameras. SJCarter used this cameraGateway DC-T50, which sells now for around $100-$150, to create images such as this and many more amazing images.



Check his profile. So that just proves to me it is the shooter not the gear.

I know Jimi Hendrix would have blown my mind playing a $10 guitar...

Message edited by author 2007-05-24 22:12:00.
 05/24/2007 10:14:45 PM · #46
Just to pile on, here's the top shots page for my 5 MP P&S camera. Three ribbons and the 15th-best is above 6.7.

Message edited by author 2007-05-24 22:15:18.
 05/24/2007 10:22:22 PM · #47
I'll add that, from a historical perspective, it wasn't at all that long ago that P&S cams dominated the DPC landscape. When that began to change, there were many threads bemoaning it becoming "DSLR Challenge" and predicting that the P&S cams could not compete. All the doomsday predictions have, however, come to nothing.
 05/24/2007 10:26:30 PM · #48
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:


I know Jimi Hendrix would have blown my mind playing a $10 guitar...


I have seen people shred on pawn shop epiphones that had been abused. Hendrix would be amazing on a cigar box and rubber bands.
 05/24/2007 10:28:31 PM · #49
My analogy is that Lance Armstrong could kick most of our butts even if he were riding a Huffy kids' bike.
 05/24/2007 10:29:59 PM · #50
Originally posted by karmat:
My analogy is that Lance Armstrong could kick most of our butts even if he were riding a Huffy kids' bike.


with those hard rubber wheels that had no air(am i the only one that remembers those)
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